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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
On August 29 2010 05:11 zeks wrote: Or Subversion also picked a defensive role and overlapped with me. Claims he is a defensive role. On August 28 2010 10:17 zeks wrote: I survived the hit last night. Claims he was hit and survived. Very nice catch. Didn't notice it >.> | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
On August 29 2010 10:37 JeeJee wrote: he's at L-2, chop chop we still need to talk about CV hit tonight -- whats the plan If he flips mafia/traitor.. don't shoot me! If he flips town, well fadoodles, I'ma have the same state of mind I guess, just more irritated. CV can shoot me if the town wants and I won't mind. If you trust me by that point in time then I guess I'll keep trying :/. We've got a couple scummy players about: JeeJee, BrownBear. I have a personal gutfeeling about Fishballs but I'll leave that be for now >.> | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On August 29 2010 09:50 bumatlarge wrote: Look at divine with his half assed post, i corrected myself the post below that, and zeks clearly stated that sub was vanilla because he tried for his role, so scum knew he was role cop. They know hes SK, or protected. Maybe yo should read through before you post instigative shit butt munch. i was quoting as i went faggot said i had to leave mid post  had i read the other stuffs i woulda deleted it, or left it to agitate you sadly i must leave again but i must say DONT YOU START SAYING THAT WORD TOO SOUTH, pleaaaaaaase dont seriously what do other people think of fishball | ||
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SouthRawrea
Canada608 Posts
On August 29 2010 11:01 Divinek wrote: i was quoting as i went faggot said i had to leave mid post had i read the other stuffs i woulda deleted it, or left it to agitate you sadly i must leave again but i must say DONT YOU START SAYING THAT WORD TOO SOUTH, pleaaaaaaase dont seriously what do other people think of fishball ^^ It's kinda catchy though. Fadoodle on youdle! Just for you Divinek I won't though because you're my mafia partner. Wait what? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 29 2010 07:50 Pandain wrote: You know, its stuff like this that really makes me dislike you. I mean, when the town's thinking you just will start spouting your own thing. LIke here the town had already decided that we were going to let SR die, and then convienantly you just happen to "prove" he's SK. *sigh* I guess I'll have to think about it tonight. + Show Spoiler +  I proved that Zeks is SK SR and Zeks are 2 completely different people FYI On August 29 2010 07:51 Pandain wrote: Aw wrong order. Preview function ftl. That wasn't serious That could explain stuff | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On August 29 2010 06:45 SouthRawrea wrote: Please elaborate. I was reading this and my thought pattern was all jumbled from my earlier post. I would like to know how he's proven. Also. 4 mafia visited Zeks either that or 4 other roles. I find it hard to believe that 4 different investigative roles visited Zeks without a single mafia doing so. If it was only mafia visiting and what he's saying about being saved is true, there would be 5 visitors. So if 4 others really did visit him, 1 doctor, 2 of this (tracker, alignment cop, bullet bill), SK and 1 watcher(doesn't count in the original 4) as I find it hard to believe even JOAT would visit him. Poor play/luck on the part of power roles if this is true. Either that or Compulsive Vig shot him but then rastaban would claim that so Zek's claim would be true correct? Thus CV did not shoot. He couldn't anyways. It was night 1. We can then conclude that Zeks was either converted or never visited by mafia. I just got back from some weekend activities and I see my name all over the place. What have you done ~Opz~? Just went through 9 pages, and wanted to make a quick short comment to the bold part up top. Comp Vig cannot shoot on Night 1... | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
This is the most important post On August 29 2010 04:52 LSB wrote: Here's what I think. It seems so Obvious, I'm facepalming myself for not noticing it. Subversion Picked Rolecop. I am 100% certain, he is mafia, Rolecop is THE town role here. We should have already figured that out This is confirmed because Zeks claims that he has a role that the mafia wants dead. But was blocked, so mafia knows that Zeks is Rolecop Mafia tries to kill Zeks But! Zeks is actually Serial Killer. So it doesn't work!! Zeks CANNOT claim, because we know that a doctor couldn't have protected him. ##VOTE: Zeks Because he is Serial Killer. Note, SK will not work for us, he is decidedly anti town Feel free to ask questions. | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
On August 29 2010 11:50 Fishball wrote: I just got back from some weekend activities and I see my name all over the place. What have you done ~Opz~? Just went through 9 pages, and wanted to make a quick short comment to the bold part up top. Comp Vig cannot shoot on Night 1... Are you kidding me? The 2nd sentence after the one you bold is: He couldn't anyways. It was night 1 I am not going to pretend I follow SR's logic, but that was a very odd post from you Fishball. THAT is what you wanted to comment on from the last 9 pages? Sin's profile quote, which you cited earlier, seems to fit quite nicely: On August 27 2010 08:18 Fishball wrote: Wise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something; trolls just because. | ||
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LSB
United States5171 Posts
On August 29 2010 07:29 SouthRawrea wrote: #Vote Zeks Hopefully we finally hit the traitor so my name gets cleared. SK is good too but I want vengeance for my lost role and Hesmyrr's death D:. (My fault I know D BTW SR, you need an extra "#" | ||
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citi.zen
2509 Posts
That concern aside, too much in his story does not add up, so he has to be lying and/or have made a mistake. So yeah... ##vote Zeks | ||
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citi.zen
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On August 29 2010 11:56 LSB wrote: Hey Fishball This is the most important post Feel free to ask questions. I was about to take a shower, then come back and organize myself to reply to some of those posts dedicated to me, as well as comment on our situation. But since you singled me out, in reply to your post, I think this is pretty much the most likely scenario from all the information given in the last 9 pages. All we know for now is that: - Zeks got hit, and Zeks survived. - Zeks claim RC, which means he is either protected by a Medic, or he is the SK. - Bum claims 4 people visited Zeks, and it is very likely that there are at least 4 Mafia. Which also means he could not have been protected by the Medic. - Hence Zeks is an SK/RC. If Zeks lied about being the RC, then he probably is Mafia anyways and should be lynched regardless. If Bum lied about the tracking results, then he should be Mafia/SK. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
On August 24 2010 08:16 Radfield wrote: Citi.zen's Post+ Show Spoiler + On August 23 2010 23:55 citi.zen wrote: I like the probabilistic nature of the list, but still fret about how the mafia/Sk can take advantage of it. Some concerns: 1. "Reserved" roles. Lower drafting mafia (and the SK, for that matter) can take whatever role they want and claim they didn't get any role. For example, grab any of Pardoner / Floridian(great for SK) / Role Blocker / God Father then say "uhhh... I went for a defensive role but it was taken". I know Radfield said he's not too concerned with these roles, but to me they are a HUGE deal late game - think of all the missed lynches we can have. They are, after all, in the game to help the mafia. It's true that in principle we could verify "plain vanilla" claims, but in reality sorting it out will take too long & the mafia can always justify their claim based on how dead people flipped. So all these roles are too safe for the mafia to grab for my liking. 2. Blue sniping. The list still makes finding investigative roles quite easy once the lynchings start. Once the meth man is dead th SK can get a very clear hit list with likely bullet bill and the tracker candidates. I cannot emphasize this enough: once the drafting phase is over, don't start claiming your roles in the thread unless yo are 100% sure it leads to catching a liar. You might think claiming what you got or didn't get does you no harm, but remember it will also reveal information about other players. 3. The list. For me there are two key town investigative roles: bullet bill and tracker. These are great roles to find mafia and the only ones to detect the SK. The alignment cop is also important, but given their uncertain sanity + inability to detect SK/GF it's a lot weaker in my book. I'd suggest prioritizing bullet bill over all other investigative roles, placing tracker next on our list and leaving the alignment cop for last. Finally, please don't just feel like you are doing your job at this stage by using an RNG and calling it a day. Help us improve this plan by thinking critically, or we'll be screwed later on. First off, something we need to be very careful of: If we follow this plan, no one can reveal if they got, or did not get the role they went for. DO NOT STATE IF YOU GET YOUR ROLE OR NOT. Posting that you are vanilla gives the mafia the information they need to hunt down our powerful investigative roles. It's very important that everyone's role, or lack of a role, is kept hidden, at least for the first part of the game. Citizen, remember that by leaving those roles(Pardoner, Floridian, RB, GF) for the mafia, we also gain another powerful investigative role in the rolecop. Which takes us from BB and tracker, to BB, tracker and rolecop. So I think it turns out fairly neutral both ways; If they choose to go after the more powerful roles, then we also get a more powerful rolecop. Again, no one should be claiming what they did or did not get in the thread. The exception to this would be if you were pick 5 and went for rolecop (or pick6 and joat, or pick7 and Bullet Bill) and the role was already taken. Since you are the first person available to take that role(according to the plan), it means a mafia must be in front of you, and swiped the role. I was SK that game, and my plan was to play extremely pro-town, which I did with stunning success. So much success, that the mafia Day-Vigged me. So if you're trying to say I seem extremely pro-town, then thanks But you raise a good point, at no time can anyone be confirmed to be non-SK solely through their actions. The SK should look like a townie, because it's in the SK's best interest to kill off the mafia.Also, If you truly think I'm the Serial Killer, you would try to keep me around, not try to kill me off. I made cases against and lynched a mafia on both Day 1 and Day 2 in PYP1, as well as soaking up a hit from the mafia. At pick #16 I don't need medic protection. Honestly, chances are I'll end up vanilla, which means it's my job to take hits. If I last past night 2, then we can start burning up investigative night actions on me. It's far too early to be trying to place night actions anyways. We still have 48hours before day 1 ends, and 72 hours before those night actions need to be in place. Plenty of time to scum hunt. Getting as much of my analysis and information out there before I die (scum has built a wonderful case on me as being SK and getting the attention diverted away from scum hunt): First Radfield told people not to state their role. I randomed rolecop so I didn't go against the plan at all with the whole exception thing. So I didn't roleclaim because I think its agreed that roleclaiming is a bad idea, but Radfield (and LSB) are pushing for my claim. Not to mention he also suggests keeping the SK around to kill off mafia and soak up hits. And now for some reason he wants me (supposedly the SK) dead - probably cause the SK is a legit threat to scum now since he nailed Subversion successfully day 1 (gj to whoever the SK is btw) I think he also suggested not to roleclaim yet now he's so interested in what my investigative results were for day 1. Kinda fishy imo. I am going to take the day 1 role check info to the grave - to avoid more people's roles revealed. Night kill should go to LSB I think its established that only LSB or chaoser can be the traitor LSB pointed me out so quickly so its pretty obvious that he knew what I was. In fact its extremely likely that my role was figured out after the Hesmyrr/SR traitor fiasco, since by process of elimination Subversion could only have picked what I had picked. I wouldn't be surprised if LSB is already recruited. Why? If I were suspected as the traitor mafia would send someone to use an action on me to recruit me. Why instead did they use a kill? Because they KNEW I wasn't a traitor after the Hesmyrr lynch and I was actually a role cop from Subversion being vanilla. - Just figured this out. Thus they must've used their actions on LSB to recruit him - and now that the focus has been to nab the SK he has fallen under the radar. In fact he should the #1 suspect of being scum. So scum knew I was rolecop and could not have possibly been the traitor, and since I lived through the night he and scum all knew I either got protected or was the SK. But they didn't know what happened which is why in the posts a couple pages back LSB kept raising the fact that medics couldn't have protected me to paint me as the SK (but in fact I DID get protected as it has been raised in many people's plans to get medics to protect me). Conclusions/summary: 1. After Hesmyrr lynch, scum knew I was role cop (and cannot possibly be traitor). 2. Thus the traitor is either 2 or 3, and by my posting analysis it is likely to be 3. LSB so mafia likely sent in actions to recruit him 3. Mafia failed to kill me, so I can only be SK or protected. 4a. The SK currently is considered more of a threat to scum (from the amazing Subversion snipe) so since they think I'm the SK getting rid of me would reduce what they consider a threat. b. If I'm not SK then they'd still get rid of a role cop - a strong pro town role in its own right. I wanted to hold out of claiming in the beginning to bait these people out, and when I die today I think I've accomplished more than enough even though I'm the role cop. | ||
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On August 29 2010 11:57 citi.zen wrote: Are you kidding me? The 2nd sentence after the one you bold is: I am not going to pretend I follow SR's logic, but that was a very odd post from you Fishball. THAT is what you wanted to comment on from the last 9 pages? Sin's profile quote, which you cited earlier, seems to fit quite nicely: Ok, I misread the post. Good job pointing it though. I also find it very hard to believe that I would make such a mistake when I just got home not long ago, was eating dinner while reading through 9 pages at the same time. Damn the internet is such a tough world to survive in. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Southrawrea(1) Pandain zeks(7) LSB bumatlarge Radfield JeeJee DarthThienAn chaoser citizen With 16 alive, it is 9 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 9PM ET/10 KST Sunday August 29th/August30th KST | ||
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
On August 29 2010 09:26 bumatlarge wrote: Look at darth trying to downplay what i did. How could I not have claimed without sealing that deal? SK will die (hopefully) because of me. And declaring people as town is FoS in my book, Ive seen and done it all too often. Hell call anyone scum, but watch what you say about clean people. I dont really need medic protection unless we plan something, oh what kill are we missing? If I die kill darth, divine, pandain. YEAH THATS RIGHT KILL EM. ? At the time of your post, it didn't make sense for you to claim like you did. Especially since you were trying to clear zeks as an innocent, when he's either SK or traitor. You watched zeks and saw 4 people visit him. You assumed it was mafia, doctor, role cop, and some other role, when it was just mafia (Ace hadn't clarified at the time). So what did you accomplish? Aside from outting yourself, all you said was, "zeks was visited by 4 people." What happened as a result of that is great, but it's not something you had planned, and so from that perspective, the claim wasn't effective. @zeks: 1. How did scum know you were role cop? I guess if you're assuming that Subversion went for role cop. When he could've just as easily gone for any of the top 3 picks, any other role, or not picked at all. 2. Well, I mean, if you're not traitor and SR isn't lying, it's pretty obvious that the traitor is 2 or 3. I too think LSB is more likely traitor though. 3. Let's say you're role cop. Mafia hit you. You survived. How? Explain this to me ^^, Mr. SK/Traitor. 4a. You consider yourself more a threat to the scum... why? Aside from potentially killing one of them (which didn't happen last PYP I don't think, so congrats on your hit), the SK helps the mafia by bringing the town numbers down quicker, doesn't he? So why would scum want to get rid of you? b. It's all a conspiracy ^^. So let me get this straight: you're claiming Town Role Cop? | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On August 29 2010 12:30 Ace wrote: Day 2 Votes Southrawrea(1) Pandain zeks(7) LSB bumatlarge Radfield JeeJee DarthThienAn chaoser citizen With 16 alive, it is 9 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 9PM ET/10 KST Sunday August 29th/August30th KST south's post at August 29 2010 07:29 we're at L-1 | ||
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