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On August 29 2010 07:15 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 07:11 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 29 2010 07:03 JeeJee wrote:On August 29 2010 06:45 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 29 2010 06:36 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 29 2010 06:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 29 2010 06:20 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Zeks, you're in a bad position. There is one way to prove you're role cop and tell us Fishball's role...That would be the only way I see you living. Which even then...It's kind of slim. As I've said, Role Cop isn't exactly the most powerful role in the world, in my mind.
Anyway, I see some problems with everything, and you can't be town aligned. We know he's rolecop, I was the one to prove it. The problem is if he is town aligned. Zeks, if you are town aligned, please do not disclose Fishball's Role. Fishball could be thinking of a strategy, and it is always bad for Mafia to know more blue roles than necessary. How did you prove it? You picked before him. This hinges on Subversion of picking RoleCop, not PoD/BadSanta/CompVig...If one of those roles picked traitor, then he he could of picked any of those, albeit be wrong. Nevermind. I understand. You would of been on the same team, how would you two of picked the same roles....Shit...I need to think about this a little more. I still feel Zeks is something like SK. Please elaborate. I was reading this and my thought pattern was all jumbled from my earlier post. I would like to know how he's proven. Also. 4 mafia visited Zeks either that or 4 other roles. I find it hard to believe that 4 different investigative roles visited Zeks without a single mafia doing so. If it was only mafia visiting and what he's saying about being saved is true, there would be 5 visitors. So if 4 others really did visit him, 1 doctor, 2 of this (tracker, alignment cop, bullet bill), SK and 1 watcher(doesn't count in the original 4) as I find it hard to believe even JOAT would visit him. Poor play/luck on the part of power roles if this is true. Either that or Compulsive Vig shot him but then rastaban would claim that so Zek's claim would be true correct? Thus CV did not shoot. He couldn't anyways. It was night 1. We can then conclude that Zeks was either converted or never visited by mafia. this post makes no sense 4 people visited Zeks. Any mafia actions show as all mafia visiting to the watcher. (Including ones that die by day) Thus if mafia visited Zeks, then no townies other than the watcher visited Zeks correct? Simple. However, Zeks said he was shot and protected. He couldn't have been shot by Vig as they can't shoot. He claims he was protected by the doctor. If he was protected by the doctor and shot by the mafia, the watcher would've seen 5 people visiting Zeks which is NOT the case. Thus it was either a combination of SK and town roles that visited Zeks or only mafia. The fact that Zeks is still alive means that he was either CONVERTED by mafia or was never visited by them. That better? If the SK shot Zeks then the mafia shot their own guy in Subversion. As JeeJee said, you make no sense.
Well then there you have it! Put 2 and 2 together please. NO ONE COULD HAVE SHOT Zeks! CV nor SK could've shot Zeks. Only mafia could've visited Zeks and if they did, the medic could not have as only 4 people visited. Thus Zeks is SK or traitor no buts if and ors. I'm ignoring BP because he claimed rolecop when being given an ultimatum by some of the other players.
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On August 29 2010 07:11 SouthRawrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 07:03 JeeJee wrote:On August 29 2010 06:45 SouthRawrea wrote:On August 29 2010 06:36 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 29 2010 06:33 ~OpZ~ wrote:On August 29 2010 06:20 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 06:15 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Zeks, you're in a bad position. There is one way to prove you're role cop and tell us Fishball's role...That would be the only way I see you living. Which even then...It's kind of slim. As I've said, Role Cop isn't exactly the most powerful role in the world, in my mind.
Anyway, I see some problems with everything, and you can't be town aligned. We know he's rolecop, I was the one to prove it. The problem is if he is town aligned. Zeks, if you are town aligned, please do not disclose Fishball's Role. Fishball could be thinking of a strategy, and it is always bad for Mafia to know more blue roles than necessary. How did you prove it? You picked before him. This hinges on Subversion of picking RoleCop, not PoD/BadSanta/CompVig...If one of those roles picked traitor, then he he could of picked any of those, albeit be wrong. Nevermind. I understand. You would of been on the same team, how would you two of picked the same roles....Shit...I need to think about this a little more. I still feel Zeks is something like SK. Please elaborate. I was reading this and my thought pattern was all jumbled from my earlier post. I would like to know how he's proven. Also. 4 mafia visited Zeks either that or 4 other roles. I find it hard to believe that 4 different investigative roles visited Zeks without a single mafia doing so. If it was only mafia visiting and what he's saying about being saved is true, there would be 5 visitors. So if 4 others really did visit him, 1 doctor, 2 of this (tracker, alignment cop, bullet bill), SK and 1 watcher(doesn't count in the original 4) as I find it hard to believe even JOAT would visit him. Poor play/luck on the part of power roles if this is true. Either that or Compulsive Vig shot him but then rastaban would claim that so Zek's claim would be true correct? Thus CV did not shoot. He couldn't anyways. It was night 1. We can then conclude that Zeks was either converted or never visited by mafia. this post makes no sense 4 people visited Zeks. Any mafia actions show as all mafia visiting to the watcher. (Including ones that die by day) Thus if mafia visited Zeks, then no townies other than the watcher visited Zeks correct? Simple. However, Zeks said he was shot and protected. He couldn't have been shot by Vig as they can't shoot. He claims he was protected by the doctor. If he was protected by the doctor and shot by the mafia, the watcher would've seen 5 people visiting Zeks which is NOT the case. Thus it was either a combination of SK and town roles that visited Zeks or only mafia. The fact that Zeks is still alive means that he was either CONVERTED by mafia or was never visited by them. That better?
no not really
you believe some of zeks' claims and not others
what's up with that?
objectively speaking, if
-bum is telling the truth
-nobody else got shot
we have
1) sk shot by mafia
2) townie shot by sk, visited by some other roles
3) traitor shot by mafia
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so yeah i'm not even sure we are arguing at all
you just said my analysis except you concluded with "he's either traitor or not shot by mafia at all" when the real conclusion should have been "he's either traitor or sk shot by mafia or traitor converted by mafia"
so yeah
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ebwop: conclusion should have been "he's either traitor or sk shot by mafia"
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On August 29 2010 07:22 JeeJee wrote:
so yeah i'm not even sure we are arguing at all
you just said my analysis except you concluded with "he's either traitor or not shot by mafia at all" when the real conclusion should have been "he's either traitor or sk shot by mafia or traitor converted by mafia"
so yeah
I wanted people to make the logical connection but yeah same conclusion. I wasn't arguing with you. Just arguing with the no sense part. 
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On August 26 2010 08:57 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 06:00 Radfield wrote:
That leaves picks 2-4. The most dangerous player there right now is pick #3. If LSB is mafia, and took PoD according to the plan(which he likely would if mafia), then chances are he will use it tonight. With all the focus being on picks 2-4, there is a very good chance he will get found out in the next day or so. Hence, if mafia, he will use the power tonight.
Thats assuming I am mafia. But the fact is, as town, I'm not going to use my ability. Unless you give me an extremaly compelling reason. I will not use it. Hypothetical, say I was mafia and I followed your plan. Boom! I get revealed. I die. That's a pretty bad plan for the mafia Show nested quote +What I'm saying here, is that if we accept that picks 2-4 are equally likely to be the traitor, then we should lynch pick 3, solely for the additional reason that if mafia, he is extremely dangerous, and will likely use his power tonight(so time is of the essence on the lynch). However, the thing is, 2-4 are NOT equally likely to be the traitor. Check out my post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=29#575I claim that Spot 4 is the most likely to be traitor.
Secret messages? n.n
+ Show Spoiler +Its obviously a coincidence, a loose one if that too. Just found it partly funny. Hmm... it seems now it won't show it in correct order. Look at first word of each line :p original post
Also south, aren't you also assuming that there's 4 mafia? There could be 3(although unlikely, its a possibility)
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right, well, let's get on with it, he's still at L-5
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we are assuming the following
-there's 4 mafia
-bum did not lie
-nobody else got hit
therefore, if zeks flips townie rolecop, we have to question these assumptions and draw any of the following conclusions
-there's 3 mafia (2 alive)
-some townie did not claim that they took a hit
-bum is a liar
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On August 29 2010 07:26 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 08:57 LSB wrote:On August 26 2010 06:00 Radfield wrote:
That leaves picks 2-4. The most dangerous player there right now is pick #3. If LSB is mafia, and took PoD according to the plan(which he likely would if mafia), then chances are he will use it tonight. With all the focus being on picks 2-4, there is a very good chance he will get found out in the next day or so. Hence, if mafia, he will use the power tonight.
Thats assuming I am mafia. But the fact is, as town, I'm not going to use my ability. Unless you give me an extremaly compelling reason. I will not use it. Hypothetical, say I was mafia and I followed your plan. Boom! I get revealed. I die. That's a pretty bad plan for the mafia What I'm saying here, is that if we accept that picks 2-4 are equally likely to be the traitor, then we should lynch pick 3, solely for the additional reason that if mafia, he is extremely dangerous, and will likely use his power tonight(so time is of the essence on the lynch). However, the thing is, 2-4 are NOT equally likely to be the traitor. Check out my post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=29#575I claim that Spot 4 is the most likely to be traitor. Secret messages? n.n + Show Spoiler +Its obviously a coincidence, a loose one if that too. Just found it partly funny. Hmm... it seems now it won't show it in correct order. Look at first word of each line :p original postAlso south, aren't you also assuming that there's 4 mafia? There could be 3(although unlikely, its a possibility)
3 would be unbalanced. Town won last game and Ace, the same host would lower mafia count? I'd hate to think of Ace as that sort of person.
#Vote Zeks
Hopefully we finally hit the traitor so my name gets cleared. SK is good too but I want vengeance for my lost role and Hesmyrr's death D:. (My fault I know D
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On August 29 2010 07:26 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 08:57 LSB wrote:On August 26 2010 06:00 Radfield wrote:
That leaves picks 2-4. The most dangerous player there right now is pick #3. If LSB is mafia, and took PoD according to the plan(which he likely would if mafia), then chances are he will use it tonight. With all the focus being on picks 2-4, there is a very good chance he will get found out in the next day or so. Hence, if mafia, he will use the power tonight.
Thats assuming I am mafia. But the fact is, as town, I'm not going to use my ability. Unless you give me an extremaly compelling reason. I will not use it. Hypothetical, say I was mafia and I followed your plan. Boom! I get revealed. I die. That's a pretty bad plan for the mafia What I'm saying here, is that if we accept that picks 2-4 are equally likely to be the traitor, then we should lynch pick 3, solely for the additional reason that if mafia, he is extremely dangerous, and will likely use his power tonight(so time is of the essence on the lynch). However, the thing is, 2-4 are NOT equally likely to be the traitor. Check out my post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=29#575I claim that Spot 4 is the most likely to be traitor. Secret messages? n.n + Show Spoiler +Its obviously a coincidence, a loose one if that too. Just found it partly funny. Hmm... it seems now it won't show it in correct order. Look at first word of each line :p original postAlso south, aren't you also assuming that there's 4 mafia? There could be 3(although unlikely, its a possibility)
Pandain you can't give away the code for the secret friendship alliance =O!
Is Halarious! XD. Now I wish I was traitor so I could say I thought of that myself
Mafia would defiantly know that I'm speaking in code!
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On August 29 2010 07:44 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 07:26 Pandain wrote:On August 26 2010 08:57 LSB wrote:On August 26 2010 06:00 Radfield wrote:
That leaves picks 2-4. The most dangerous player there right now is pick #3. If LSB is mafia, and took PoD according to the plan(which he likely would if mafia), then chances are he will use it tonight. With all the focus being on picks 2-4, there is a very good chance he will get found out in the next day or so. Hence, if mafia, he will use the power tonight.
Thats assuming I am mafia. But the fact is, as town, I'm not going to use my ability. Unless you give me an extremaly compelling reason. I will not use it. Hypothetical, say I was mafia and I followed your plan. Boom! I get revealed. I die. That's a pretty bad plan for the mafia What I'm saying here, is that if we accept that picks 2-4 are equally likely to be the traitor, then we should lynch pick 3, solely for the additional reason that if mafia, he is extremely dangerous, and will likely use his power tonight(so time is of the essence on the lynch). However, the thing is, 2-4 are NOT equally likely to be the traitor. Check out my post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141431¤tpage=29#575I claim that Spot 4 is the most likely to be traitor. Secret messages? n.n + Show Spoiler +Its obviously a coincidence, a loose one if that too. Just found it partly funny. Hmm... it seems now it won't show it in correct order. Look at first word of each line :p original postAlso south, aren't you also assuming that there's 4 mafia? There could be 3(although unlikely, its a possibility) Pandain you can't give away the code for the secret friendship alliance =O! Is Halarious! XD. Now I wish I was traitor so I could say I thought of that myself Mafia would defiantly know that I'm speaking in code!
You know, its stuff like this that really makes me dislike you. I mean, when the town's thinking you just will start spouting your own thing. LIke here the town had already decided that we were going to let SR die, and then convienantly you just happen to "prove" he's SK. *sigh* I guess I'll have to think about it tonight.
+ Show Spoiler +
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Aw wrong order. Preview function ftl.
That wasn't serious
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It could be my clever mafia ploy to kill the sk *shifty eyes*
sometimes batman must act bad to be good!
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On August 28 2010 18:36 Radfield wrote:
Nice to have you back Darth. Who do you think is scummy? Who do you think we should lynch today?
It's mostly because I'm done with the campaign and most of the easy achievements =p. Still playing, but a bit less now I guess. The new shiny smell has drifted away.
I'm still a little confused about everything surrounding SR. First of all, there's the mental block that I have to get through about why anyone would pick traitor. That was the ONLY role I imagined that no one would take. I guess there's that train of thought that makes people take it (simply because they want a role) and to make the game more "epic."
Part of me wants to think SR is lying. But it's not a smart move if he's mafia or SK (unless he's got some brilliant plan up his sleeve). And if he's town, he shouldn't have taken traitor in the first place! But, assuming that he is town (because he wouldn't play so stupidly if he was mafia/SK), let's move forward.
(The reason why I bring this up is because I think SR is scummy -_-. But not necessarily scum, unfortunately)
Regarding other potential scum...
Divinek, I have decided, is most likely town (I may have said otherwise before, but I realized recently who his target was xD). He shot BM, which, while it is an easy town kill, is also disadvantageous to the mafia - this is the part I just realized. Without BM, the thread is much less likely to become a billion pages of spam, and the town is much more likely to get things done. So for that reason, despite his hitting town, I think Divinek is pro-town.
Other than that, I'm not sure who's scum - but I do think that we should lynch either chaoser or LSB today, if we don't get any definite scum through roles or something. If chaoser was mafia, tonight would be the first night possible for him to use a hit. Actually, since the mafia missed their hit, there's a much lower chance that (assuming chaoser mafia) the Bad Santa role can be used tonight. Unless they got lucky with their list and have the SK and Subversion on there. That said, maybe lynch LSB? This is also advantageous in getting rid of the traitor.
On August 28 2010 23:56 Pandain wrote:
Interesting point about the roleblock. If anyone was roleblocked, please say so now. You do find out that you were roleblocked, correct? This will help us pin down mafia roles.
Also, please comment on JeeJee and your perspective on him from previous games/this one.
Have I ever played with JeeJee? O_O. Maybe in RotK? Other than that, I don't really remember - he's never really stuck out to me. =X. But I guess that mean he's fairly old, right?
I'll go through his posts since he only has a couple dozen:
On August 25 2010 15:12 JeeJee wrote:
meh could be worse
at least we don't have to worry about CC now
This one sticks out to me because... it's borderline "gloating." Context is obviously after BM flipped.
On August 26 2010 10:52 JeeJee wrote:
##vote:hesmyrr
to be frank, being told to pick a role just to confirm others have picked it probably doesn't sound like too great of an idea. i can see a "fuck that i'm going traitor" reaction following that
I don't really like his justification for this vote... but I guess he was bandwagon-ing.
On August 28 2010 00:18 JeeJee wrote:
i do find it odd that sr is asking himself to be lynched just because he guessed the traitor placement wrong. if anything, he should get cv'd, but if he flips vanilla town, we wouldn't be any further along and i don't think a mafia would just ask for a selflynch (wifom blah blah)
otoh is traitor hunting even that high of a priority? unless mafia kp goes up to 2 with that extra player, its not like it's monumental enough to drop everything else imo
This is true... if we can find a mafia, then that's great. But we KNOW there's a traitor in the top 4 (it's 4 now right?), so why not deal with that first? This, of course, assuming SR vanilla townie...
He has more recent posts, but I'll go through them as I go through the thread I guess. Overall, my opinion of JeeJee is that he's suspicious, but nothing to jump up and down about so far.
On August 29 2010 01:20 chaoser wrote:
And I'm totally for lynching South. Or getting him CV-ed. He gave out that he didn't get traitor, we should have lynched him first to confirm that indeed traitor got taken above him. Right now we're operating on the assumption that it was taken because of what he said, there's no real backing behind it. I feel like there should at least be one mafia on top 6 though. However, the top three CV, Bad Santa, and PoD can all be controlled very easily. CV is lynched if he doesn't follow town's words. PoD is lynched if he uses double night (lets not get to the point where if he is mafia, using this wins them the game) And me, I guess I just have my word that as soon as I get the ability to hit, I'll inform everyone of my list and it's kinda like a mini list check.
So I take it nothing interesting happened last night for you >>. Finding the SK night 1 would've been really nice. hmm.
On August 29 2010 01:28 chaoser wrote:
rastaban <- can be asked to kill someone to confirm (if he confirmed already?)
chaoser <-Saying I'm Bad Santa him out, will give out my list and reasoning behind it all if asked
LSB <- No real way to confirm he's PoD in a pro-town fashion
Hesmyrr <-vanilla townie (Was suppose to try to pick PoD, CV, or BS)
zeks <-Very possible is traitor. Either he needs to claim role and we test him while protecting him or we lynch him outright.
SouthRawrea <--says someone above him took traitor
Eh, I lean toward zeks being town. And Hesmyrr claimed CV->Vanilla which clears rastaban. Which leaves you and LSB as the prime targets for traitor.
On August 29 2010 02:38 bumatlarge wrote:
Look at pandain trying to play down my awesome, OPZ speaks truth.
Yeah, but was that claim really necessary? =/.
On August 29 2010 02:39 Radfield wrote:Hmm. Lets look at this a little closer. Going into last night, mafia had a few options. Obviously they want to use their abilities to try and pick up the potential traitor. The traitor is in one of 4 spots. 2,3,5,6. If we assume that the mafia only picked up red roles, and didn't risk getting vanilla by going after townie roles, then the only role they have with a night action is roleblocker. If I'm mafia, I would roleblock zeks, and target someone else. I wouldn't roleblock zeks, and then try to NK him. Roleblocking zeks is great, because if he's traitor you pick him up, if he's town(50% role cop) then you block his power. Also, you avoid the potential of him being the meth man and blowing yourself up. The only real reason I can see the mafia targeting zeks with a NK, is if they don't have the roleblocker. Just to be clear here zeks, you were not roleblocked, correct? My guess is, if the mafia don't have the roleblocker, the SK does, which is a scary thought, but means that a mafia likely got vanilla trying for it. Or the mafia avoided the red roles to try and blend in against the role cop. All that aside, who is our likely traitor/red in the top 6. I'm inclined to believe Southrawrea at the moment. He looks bad for going after the traitor role, but after he tried for it and failed, it makes total sense that he would claim it in the thread. That story makes more sense to me, and is more believable, than him being a mafia and playing the way he has, with some grand scheme to delay us or use vengeful player etc. Personally, I think zeks is likely the traitor, and I think it likely that he got picked up last night. More likely than the others at least. I believe there is an easy way to mainly clear zeks in my eyes. He roleclaims. At pick #5, zeks would risk a lot by lying about his roleclaim. He stated he followed the plan, although he actually contradicted himself: First he very clearly states what he did Show nested quote +On August 25 2010 10:42 zeks wrote:
i used random.org went exactly with this:
#5 50% Role Cop, 50% Defensive role(Vet, Meth Man, or Bulletproof. 33% chance of each)
1-50 rolecop
50-67 vet
67-83 bulletproof
83-100 methman
just sayin, i'm hoping everyone below me follows the plan as well. Then 12 hours later, he states that he actually went with a different set-up?? Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 00:33 zeks wrote:
you did go with radfield's list?
if everything went according to that then the people who picked before you:
rastaban - CV
chaoser - Bad Santa
LSB - PoD
Hesmyrr - said he was picking anti-town role (if i remember correctly)
Me - role cop / copy cat / defensive role (33/33/33)
i know u shouldn't be announcing the role but this could be a place to start
Oops. That's a bit odd. Care to clear up for us which one you actually went with Zeks? Even if that was an honest mistake(uh huh), lets look at what a roleclaim would mean. Zeks is either a role cop, a defensive role, or maybe the copy cat(?). Anything he claims is at a risk to double with someone below him. Fishball is a 50% role cop. 3 players below zeks are 50% defensive role, and another 2 are 25% defensive role. Copy Cat is testable since presumably he had to mason up with someone, so that person could vouch for him(with no risk to the other person). Either way, it forces zeks(who I believe to be the traitor) to take a risk, where we could immediately pin him. There is potential that a mafia member has the role cop or defensive role, which would allow zeks to make an uncontested role claim, but at least this gives us a chance. - If zeks claims rolecop, then he checks someone and reveals the result. Town would vote on whom he would check. He could also reveal his last nights check as a way of clearing himself, but presumably if he was the rolecop he would have checked spots 2 or 3, which is obvious.
- If zeks claims defensive role, we have no way of double checking, but can only hope he collides with someone below him.
- If zeks claims Copy Cat then it's an easy confirmation.
Thoughts? Please keep in mind that the top three players all would run a 33% risk of immediately being found out by hesmyrr if they chose traitor. Also note that in my eyes Occam's Razor would lean towards Southrawrea telling the truth(it's less risky and less complicated). Zeks is also in the position where him taking traitor hurts the town and helps the mafia at the same time, making it extra advantageous to take traitor. I would like to hear everyone's thoughts on this. Personally, I think we should lynch zeks. Zeks flipping traitor gives us an excellent paper trail as well, and I have what I think is a great CV suggestion if he does indeed flip red.
Hmm. I'll agree with the beginning of this post ^^. Mafia unlikely to have RB, potentially SK has it/maybe a town member has it/maybe no one has it.
The bolded quote is very interesting though. Why would he be 33% copycat? I don't remember that being in the plan. I thought it was 50% RC/50% defensive.
In the interest of getting the traitor ASAP, I don't mind zeks claiming. I personally think he's town, but the quicker we resolve this, the better. The SK bought us some extra time, which is nice ^^.
On August 29 2010 03:20 Pandain wrote:
Speaking of which, I feel like it's time to say something. This either gives town more information, or more importantly leaves scum unsure who is who.
I did not pick mason, even though I did originally.
I changed it n.n
YOU LIED! lol.
On August 29 2010 04:17 LSB wrote:
I didn't really consider Vet, because Bulletproof is so much more attractive at a role than Vet.
Vet has +1 life, but Bulletproof is invincible! (somewhat at least).
But that does complicate what Zeks will have to claim, increasing his chances of messing up if he is SK/Traitor.
Y'all should stop laying out his logically safe claims before he claims -__-.
On August 29 2010 04:41 zeks wrote:
Radfield: I went with the 33/33/33 role cop / copy cat / defensive role because there was mention that copycat should be picked earlier. I truthfully randomed my role.
Something that I've discovered
SR #6 below me is assumed vanilla town, Subversion at #7 was vanilla mafia
Which means Subversion could've overlaped with
1. rastaban CV
2. chaoser Bad Santa/traitor
3. LSB PoD/traitor
5. me RC/CC/Defensive role/traitor
Likelihood of Subversion picking
CV
next to nothing
Bad Santa or PoD
Don't see why Subversion will pick those either.
Traitor:
He's scum so he wouldn't pick traitor.
me: RC/CC/Defensive Role
Subversion likely overlapped with me and since Subversion is dead then it is likely that scum would know what my role is...
Unless Subversion overlapped with SouthRawrea, then that means South never picked traitor in the beginning - which doesn't make sense because South would be a townie with a role but lied about being a traitor
Thus conclusion: mafia knows my role and wants me dead by lynch since they couldn't finish the job last night
Which is why I'm not claiming because they will call me out on it.
Subversion admitted somewhere that he didn't follow the plan, didn't he? So all three of the top roles are potential picks for him. Not to mention the possibility of him not picking at all?
Why would you not claim? If mafia know what you are, and they counterclaim you, supposed we lynch you. You flip (your role). We lynch whoever counterclaimed next, and bag our second mafia ezpz. 1 for 1 trade sounds good to me.
On August 29 2010 04:44 LSB wrote:
Okay, so the Mafia already knows your role.
Why aren't you telling us?
Are you worried the Mafia is going to fake claim? If that happens, we can easily kill the Mafia.
Are you hiding something?
Also, this lol.
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Yeah, zeks is either SK or traitor imo. I'd like to hear more from him though.
##Vote zeks
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I really want to hear zeks defend himself before I slap a vote on him, however I do want him to post - and soon - or else I'll join in the party.
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Look at darth trying to downplay what i did. How could I not have claimed without sealing that deal? SK will die (hopefully) because of me. And declaring people as town is FoS in my book, Ive seen and done it all too often. Hell call anyone scum, but watch what you say about clean people.
I dont really need medic protection unless we plan something, oh what kill are we missing? If I die kill darth, divine, pandain. YEAH THATS RIGHT KILL EM.
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On August 29 2010 01:28 chaoser wrote:
rastaban <- can be asked to kill someone to confirm (if he confirmed already?)
chaoser <-Saying I'm Bad Santa him out, will give out my list and reasoning behind it all if asked
LSB <- No real way to confirm he's PoD in a pro-town fashion
Hesmyrr <-vanilla townie (Was suppose to try to pick PoD, CV, or BS)
zeks <-Very possible is traitor. Either he needs to claim role and we test him while protecting him or we lynch him outright.
SouthRawrea <--says someone above him took traitor
1. rasta: he cant kill someone to confirm, unless we had a way of notifinh rasta and only rasta. If we tell 'him' who to hit then the other person who might have CV would obviously hit since they'd be scum buddies so no that does not clear him
2. correct cant confirm pod, because it'd be retarded for him to use his ability lol. And you can hardly confirm yourself either, but atleast you can give us rationale and we can pick that apart
i got the same feeling actually, not based on his history but just his posting tendancies in general and the point of his posts. Please others keep your eyes on this sneaky scoundrel!
On August 29 2010 04:18 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 04:04 LSB wrote:On August 29 2010 03:53 Radfield wrote:
I love PYP Mafia, it's just so much fun
Citizen, I'm interested to hear your thoughts. Anyone seem particularly pro- or anti- town. If you had to make a list of people to be investigated, who would be on it?
Also, can someone please comment on the case I made for Zeks being traitor. I want Zeks to claim first, this could shed a lot of light. Reasons why Zeks could have survived the night: 1) He is the SK 2) He is Bulletproof 3) He is the Traitor 4) Doctor protected him (highly unlikely) Zeks probably will claim Bulletproof. Once he claims bulletproof, we can watch to see if someone else claims bulletproof, or if someone claims they drafted bulletproof and didn't get it. Why is doctor highly unlikely? 4 people visited him, Id put a lot of money into one of those being a doctor. Hes a good target to be hit, as a chief power blue pick, and now he could be traitor. Im thinking mafia have a roleblocker, hit him with the roleblock, and in case he wasnt traitor, nailed him with the hit to bypass the defense chances. Also, Ace, what happens if SK gets roleblocked? That would give zeks exemption from the SK role, if he wouldnt have been able to hit anyone, or be bulletproof.
what the blue fuck are you talking about there is no way 4 completely unrelated people visited him all on the same night. The only believable scenarios are
4 mafia attacked him and converted him or he blocked or
1 doctor saved him and 3 mafia attacked him
cuz 1 rb'er wouldnt bring the rest of the mob with him on a rb
On August 29 2010 04:04 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2010 03:53 Radfield wrote:
I love PYP Mafia, it's just so much fun
Citizen, I'm interested to hear your thoughts. Anyone seem particularly pro- or anti- town. If you had to make a list of people to be investigated, who would be on it?
Also, can someone please comment on the case I made for Zeks being traitor. I want Zeks to claim first, this could shed a lot of light. Reasons why Zeks could have survived the night: 1) He is the SK 2) He is Bulletproof 3) He is the Traitor 4) Doctor protected him (highly unlikely) Zeks probably will claim Bulletproof. Once he claims bulletproof, we can watch to see if someone else claims bulletproof, or if someone claims they drafted bulletproof and didn't get it.
I THOUGHT WE AGREED IT'S RETARDED FOR HIM TO CLAIM
why in the shit would he claim, that only makes it more obvious to the mafia what he is and what they can avoid
what benefit does it give us what role he tells us. He can easily claim protection but it doesnt make sense
and there's no way in fuck he's a vet.
And it's dumb cuz he's not gonna claim bp if he didnt get it because there's no way no one else didnt try to get that. So what ever he does claim it doesnt matter, all it does is give mafia more info if he's actually telling the truth...
gotta go to dinner damn, ill catch up on the rest after !
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I have no idea how bumatlarge got only 4 people from his watch, because I'm not the SK and I lived - to my surprise so someone must've protected me.
That quote from Zeks sealed it for me, if he got protected, he KNOWS he got protected, it's not must've protected.
##vote Zeks
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Look at divine with his half assed post, i corrected myself the post below that, and zeks clearly stated that sub was vanilla because he tried for his role, so scum knew he was role cop. They know hes SK, or protected. Maybe yo should read through before you post instigative shit butt munch.
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he's at L-2, chop chop
we still need to talk about CV hit tonight -- whats the plan
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