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On January 13 2012 18:05 TechnoZerg wrote:
does hurley really have magical powers?
what would've happened if he jumped in the lake like that hallucination told him to? (season 1 or 2 i think)
in the final episode at the end are they in heaven or purgatory?
1. Yes.
2. He would have died. The "hallucination" was almost surely the Man in Black.
3. Whatever you like to call it. It's what happens after death.
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On January 13 2012 18:08 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:05 Trololol wrote:
Who is Jacob? Who is/what is "The man in black"? What is so special about John?
Also, from what I recall there were supply drops containing food on the island that Hurley had found which also helps explain why he didnt lose weight jacob is the protector of the island and the man in black is jacobs brother who is trying to leave the island nothing is special about john i mean nothing
Yes. I completely agree.
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On January 13 2012 18:24 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:01 Doctorasul wrote:On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well. I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode. I enjoyed the first 2 seasons immensely and watched every single episode of the whole show. It lost a lot of steam in the last seasons and they seemed to become addicted to creating mysteries without answering them. You saying it wasnt so doesnt make it true. You still didnt answer the question about Walt, you just waved your hand and hoped it would go away. The reality is the show promised more than it delivered by the end. Good for you that you stayed a true fan to the very end, but the rating numbers and the fact you had to create this thread speak for themselves. I dont mind not knowing the answer to stuff, but the show led everyone to believe that there were real answers to be had and then they just let everyone down. I'm still somewhat confused about the whole Walt complaint. If the problem is that it "felt" like the writers had a greater role for Walt to play in the story, but it was scrapped, then you may feel that was sloppy storytelling. And it probably was. But it's not, say, a plot hole, or an unanswered question in itself. If the problem is it was never explained why Walt had special powers, then that's a fair assessment too. But many other characters also have special powers, so you can either say the question was not answered, or you can accept it as part of the internal logic of the show, the same way you accept that Jedi's can use the Force in Star Wars, or that some humans have superpowers in Heroes. I must admit, I didn't anticipate so much angst on this point about Walt, considering how insignificant his role is in the grand scheme of things.
Ok, so it's not a true plothole. But saying that Walt is insignificant in the grand scheme of this when he was clearly meant to be a big part of the story from the start is weird.
You could say the exact same thing about Hurley if they wrote him of early and switched the story around to fit. It diminishes the overall feel of the series and just ignoring it and saying it doesn't matter just seem like you're reinforcing my belief that you're a defensive lost fanboy. 
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On January 13 2012 18:29 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:24 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 18:01 Doctorasul wrote:On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well. I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode. I enjoyed the first 2 seasons immensely and watched every single episode of the whole show. It lost a lot of steam in the last seasons and they seemed to become addicted to creating mysteries without answering them. You saying it wasnt so doesnt make it true. You still didnt answer the question about Walt, you just waved your hand and hoped it would go away. The reality is the show promised more than it delivered by the end. Good for you that you stayed a true fan to the very end, but the rating numbers and the fact you had to create this thread speak for themselves. I dont mind not knowing the answer to stuff, but the show led everyone to believe that there were real answers to be had and then they just let everyone down. I'm still somewhat confused about the whole Walt complaint. If the problem is that it "felt" like the writers had a greater role for Walt to play in the story, but it was scrapped, then you may feel that was sloppy storytelling. And it probably was. But it's not, say, a plot hole, or an unanswered question in itself. If the problem is it was never explained why Walt had special powers, then that's a fair assessment too. But many other characters also have special powers, so you can either say the question was not answered, or you can accept it as part of the internal logic of the show, the same way you accept that Jedi's can use the Force in Star Wars, or that some humans have superpowers in Heroes. I must admit, I didn't anticipate so much angst on this point about Walt, considering how insignificant his role is in the grand scheme of things. Ok, so it's not a true plothole. But saying that Walt is insignificant in the grand scheme of this when he was clearly meant to be a big part of the story from the start is weird. You could say the exact same thing about Hurley if they wrote him of early and switched the story around to fit. It diminishes the overall feel of the series and just ignoring it and saying it doesn't matter just seem like you're reinforcing my belief that you're a defensive lost fanboy.
Agreed.
To have the kidnapping of Walt the cliffhanger of season 1 final episode and the amount of mystery involving him throughout the whole of season 1 just to write him off as insignifcant to ease your mind is not the right answer. The way they ended the story line obviously hasn't satisfied a lot of viewers so it was not handled well.
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On January 13 2012 18:12 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:05 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:55 Hammer442 wrote:On January 13 2012 17:52 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind. As i said, the bird thing as you mentioned wasn't all he did that was wierd. On January 13 2012 17:34 Hammer442 wrote:
He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though. I have watched the series more than once and it is definitely a plot hole that they didn't care to continue with. Like I said, he had powers, and you saw some of them on the show. If your question is why does he have powers, then you're not going to get an answer beyond it simply being part of the internal logic of the Lost Universe. Several characters have "supernatural" powers. No explanation of the sort like "The next stage of human evolution is here: mutants. X-men" was or will be given. There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written. Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:10 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:57 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well. I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode. Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me.  I told you why it was dropped. The actor outgrew his role. You might think it's sloppy planning, and it probably was, but regardless it's the truth. The showrunners have said the reason Walt was written out of the show was for this reason. Now have a moment to take out your frustration at this blatant "cop-out". After you've done that, realize that in the end Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost. Haha, the fanboy defense mechanism is getting stronger and stronger. Your just inviting more people to nag on these small point when you write like that. Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost BECAUSE they wrote him of midway, something that shows they didn't have the whole story fleshed out from the start.
Whether or not they had every point of the story planned from the start really doesn't change how the story was told or the questions that were raised and answered in actuality. I have no doubt they didn't write down every character detail 6 seasons, and 7 years, in advance.
You can say it's bad storytelling all you like. But bad storytelling isn't an unanswered question and isn't a plot hole.
What exactly do you want?
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On January 13 2012 18:35 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:12 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 18:05 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:55 Hammer442 wrote:On January 13 2012 17:52 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind. As i said, the bird thing as you mentioned wasn't all he did that was wierd. On January 13 2012 17:34 Hammer442 wrote:
He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though. I have watched the series more than once and it is definitely a plot hole that they didn't care to continue with. Like I said, he had powers, and you saw some of them on the show. If your question is why does he have powers, then you're not going to get an answer beyond it simply being part of the internal logic of the Lost Universe. Several characters have "supernatural" powers. No explanation of the sort like "The next stage of human evolution is here: mutants. X-men" was or will be given. There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written. On January 13 2012 18:10 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:57 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:
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This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well. I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode. Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me. I told you why it was dropped. The actor outgrew his role. You might think it's sloppy planning, and it probably was, but regardless it's the truth. The showrunners have said the reason Walt was written out of the show was for this reason. Now have a moment to take out your frustration at this blatant "cop-out". After you've done that, realize that in the end Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost. Haha, the fanboy defense mechanism is getting stronger and stronger. Your just inviting more people to nag on these small point when you write like that. Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost BECAUSE they wrote him of midway, something that shows they didn't have the whole story fleshed out from the start. Whether or not they had every point of the story planned from the start really doesn't change how the story was told or the questions that were raised and answered in actuality. I have no doubt they didn't write down every character detail 6 seasons, and 7 years, in advance. You can say it's bad storytelling all you like. But bad storytelling isn't an unanswered question and isn't a plot hole. What exactly do you want?
I don't really want anything. I just get annoyed by the way you disregard critique and downplay things to make your precious show look better. This argument would be done and over with if you'd just written:
"Yeah the Walt part could have been interesting but they decided to kill his storyline. Oh well it is what it is, lets keep the other questions coming!" instead of the snobbish attitude and the whole "He could kill birds, that's about it" bs.
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What are those whispers? Why do people hear whispers before Smoke monster come?
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On January 13 2012 18:17 valaki wrote:
What are the numbers for and what do they mean?
Why Hurly got extremely unlucky because of them?
WHAT is Jacob and the other guy?
What was the shining thing at the end?
What powers does the island have?
Why did Locke see Walt when he fell down?
Why are Richard and co immortal?
1. Numbers are just numbers. They happen to be the numbers corresponding to Jacob's final 6 candidates, and also appeared in many other places like the Valenzetti Equation, on the side of the Hatch door, etc. But there is no significance beyond them just being numbers.
2. Hurley was a unlucky guy. There is no explanation beyond that.
3. Jacob was some guy who was born on the island with his brother, the Man in Black. Jacob forced into being the protector of the Island by his adoptive mother, and the Man in Black became the Smoke Monster when Jacob through him into the Light.
4. Light.
5. The Light at the Heart of the Island, which is the exotic matter that the DHARMA Initiative was experimenting with is responsible for the power of the Island, which includes time travel and teleportation. It almost surely is also the cause of the Island's healing properties.
6. It was the Man in Black.
7. Richard is immortal because Jacob gave him immortality. The Others are not immortal, only Richard is. Richard becomes mortal at the end of the series because Jacob died.
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On January 13 2012 17:57 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well. I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode. Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me.
it almost seems to me that you really really want to hate this show to nit pick at this. i watched the whole series, and I don't see how Walt could have possibly been a key role in the grand scheme of things. Iirc the writers had the whole story pretty well mapped out from the beginning, and there was no real indication to me that Walt was needed at any point rather than just being one of the characters of the show. There's no reason to believe that he was meant to have a pivotal role other than the observation that he had some powers. It's a really odd thing to nitpick at
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On January 13 2012 18:29 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:24 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 18:01 Doctorasul wrote:On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well. I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode. I enjoyed the first 2 seasons immensely and watched every single episode of the whole show. It lost a lot of steam in the last seasons and they seemed to become addicted to creating mysteries without answering them. You saying it wasnt so doesnt make it true. You still didnt answer the question about Walt, you just waved your hand and hoped it would go away. The reality is the show promised more than it delivered by the end. Good for you that you stayed a true fan to the very end, but the rating numbers and the fact you had to create this thread speak for themselves. I dont mind not knowing the answer to stuff, but the show led everyone to believe that there were real answers to be had and then they just let everyone down. I'm still somewhat confused about the whole Walt complaint. If the problem is that it "felt" like the writers had a greater role for Walt to play in the story, but it was scrapped, then you may feel that was sloppy storytelling. And it probably was. But it's not, say, a plot hole, or an unanswered question in itself. If the problem is it was never explained why Walt had special powers, then that's a fair assessment too. But many other characters also have special powers, so you can either say the question was not answered, or you can accept it as part of the internal logic of the show, the same way you accept that Jedi's can use the Force in Star Wars, or that some humans have superpowers in Heroes. I must admit, I didn't anticipate so much angst on this point about Walt, considering how insignificant his role is in the grand scheme of things. Ok, so it's not a true plothole. But saying that Walt is insignificant in the grand scheme of this when he was clearly meant to be a big part of the story from the start is weird. You could say the exact same thing about Hurley if they wrote him of early and switched the story around to fit. It diminishes the overall feel of the series and just ignoring it and saying it doesn't matter just seem like you're reinforcing my belief that you're a defensive lost fanboy.
It is not clear that Walt was meant to have a much greater role in the story. Maybe slightly more air time than he really got, but certainly not more so than important characters like Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Desmond, Hurley, etc.
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Although I have watched only the first 2 seasons of the show this is the main core concept behind Lost - the mystery box.
One of the producers of Lost gave explanation to his fascination with the idea of mystery in this video -> J.J Abrams - Mystery Box
From what I saw (the interviews and season 1 and 2) they (producers) said they created this mystery (the island) but then they never tried to come along with a full explanation for the whole bits and pieces from the show. I understand the finale tried to give a sorta good explanation for the entire show but because they introduced so many concepts as they got along it was hard to swallow it from the viewers point of view.
I remember watching some forums which had like 150 pages of explanation for Lost in season 1 and 2. I feel the people who had written good theories about the island were robbed of their explanation. Basically the writers decided from the get go to not give straight answers but just put here and there a little piece but never answer the whole (this including the end).
I think they've written the scenario behind Lost as they advanced in the show from one series to another and from episode to episode. Then in the end because it dragged for so long they put an end to it with the purgatory idea.
Sorry to ramble on this thread of yours "paralleluniverse"
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On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:25 jeremysaint wrote:
lost was not a good show. it started a good one, and intriguing but like battle star galactica there were no answers because the show was not actually planned. they were pulling it out of thier asses as they went along and it showed. a wheel that causes time travel?!? seriously? they just kept adding crazy things to keep the ratings up with no idea how they were going to tie any of it all together. On January 13 2012 17:26 Tal wrote:
Even if the questions eventually got answered, the main problem is the show felt like the writers were making it up as they went along, with very little explained after two whole seasons. Started well though. This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel. If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with.
I feel the exact same way. Because basically:
On January 13 2012 18:00 paralleluniverse wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 17:54 djfoxmccloud wrote:
what is the exact ending of the series ? They all gather and what ? After they all died, whether they died on the Island or died 50 years into the future due to old age, they gathered in the afterlife to remember and move on.
This is what happens in the end and while it makes logical sense when you look at the whole series as a whole (Jack's father is named Christian Shephard for heavens sake), it was such an underwhelming ending.
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed watching lost, but in the 5th and 6th season, they just added mysteries for the sake of mysteries, and a lot of them were not adressed very well. And the ending, while coherent with the storyline, just leaves much to be desired.
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On January 13 2012 18:43 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:35 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 18:12 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 18:05 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:55 Hammer442 wrote:On January 13 2012 17:52 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:
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This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. Some people have certain powers. Jacob can grant people immortality, Miles can read dead bodies, Hurley can converse with dead people, and Walt can kill birds with his mind. As i said, the bird thing as you mentioned wasn't all he did that was wierd. On January 13 2012 17:34 Hammer442 wrote:
He also made comments on the island such as to Locke "Don't open it john" referring to the hatch to further mistify his character yet as KwarK says, they never followed up on it after the others took him away. They did show him off the island as a normal kid though. I have watched the series more than once and it is definitely a plot hole that they didn't care to continue with. Like I said, he had powers, and you saw some of them on the show. If your question is why does he have powers, then you're not going to get an answer beyond it simply being part of the internal logic of the Lost Universe. Several characters have "supernatural" powers. No explanation of the sort like "The next stage of human evolution is here: mutants. X-men" was or will be given. There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written. On January 13 2012 18:10 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:57 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:
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But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out?
"One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well. I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode. Yet you dismiss the Walt thing people have brought up as just "They wrote him of", "he just killed birds" when in fact he looked to be an important part of the series then they just dropped it midway. It just seems a bit like fanboy defense to me. I told you why it was dropped. The actor outgrew his role. You might think it's sloppy planning, and it probably was, but regardless it's the truth. The showrunners have said the reason Walt was written out of the show was for this reason. Now have a moment to take out your frustration at this blatant "cop-out". After you've done that, realize that in the end Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost. Haha, the fanboy defense mechanism is getting stronger and stronger. Your just inviting more people to nag on these small point when you write like that. Walt is a small and insignificant part of Lost BECAUSE they wrote him of midway, something that shows they didn't have the whole story fleshed out from the start. Whether or not they had every point of the story planned from the start really doesn't change how the story was told or the questions that were raised and answered in actuality. I have no doubt they didn't write down every character detail 6 seasons, and 7 years, in advance. You can say it's bad storytelling all you like. But bad storytelling isn't an unanswered question and isn't a plot hole. What exactly do you want? I don't really want anything. I just get annoyed by the way you disregard critique and downplay things to make your precious show look better. This argument would be done and over with if you'd just written: "Yeah the Walt part could have been interesting but they decided to kill his storyline. Oh well it is what it is, lets keep the other questions coming!" instead of the snobbish attitude and the whole "He could kill birds, that's about it" bs.
I don't see what's wrong with what I wrote. I gave a truthful, accurate and correct account of what Walt has done on the show, and why he was written off the show.
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On January 13 2012 18:45 Silentenigma wrote:
What are those whispers? Why do people hear whispers before Smoke monster come?
The whispers are the people who have died on the Island but are unable to move on. Like restless spirits.
They usually accompany the Monster, but not always, as a kind of warning of danger. They are also heard when the Others come, for the same reason.
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On January 13 2012 18:31 Hammer442 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2012 18:29 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 18:24 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 18:01 Doctorasul wrote:On January 13 2012 17:55 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:48 karpo wrote:On January 13 2012 17:41 KwarK wrote:On January 13 2012 17:36 paralleluniverse wrote:On January 13 2012 17:34 loladin wrote:On January 13 2012 17:31 paralleluniverse wrote:
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This is the sort of stuff this thread is meant to dispel.
If you have any specific questions I'm happy to answer them. But your answer that "the actor outgrew his role" isn't really dispelling anything though? Couldn't they have planned that out? "One season is 30 days on the island... lets see should we cast a pre-teen kid in this and just hope he stops growing?" If you want to take all the real life logistics of making a TV show out of it, Walt's story arc was essentially ended when he left the Island with his dad. You might not like the story, or you think it could have been handled differently, but it's not a a gaping plot hole or even a question. There was closure on that story. There was closure on where he was, not who he was or why he was magic. If they didn't want to tell the story of the magic boy then why did they write him into it? That they moved him out of the show and stopped any more awkward questions being asked doesn't change the fact that they never answered the awkward questions they started in the first place, just swept them under the rug. The OP seems very defensive of Lost as he's probably pretty much a fanboy if he knows everything inside out. Imo it's not that they didn't explain all the stuff in Lost. It's more about the series turning into a clusterfuck with all the storylines jumbling together then the explanation for everything turns out to be pretty bland and boring. The first seasons built up alot of hype that, i feel, the directors couldn't really keep up with. I think it's more the fact that people say the writers didn't answer anything, while by the end of the series, I personally felt I understood the entire mythology of the series very well. I would suspect most of the that feeling of not getting answer came from casual viewer who haven't watch every episode. I enjoyed the first 2 seasons immensely and watched every single episode of the whole show. It lost a lot of steam in the last seasons and they seemed to become addicted to creating mysteries without answering them. You saying it wasnt so doesnt make it true. You still didnt answer the question about Walt, you just waved your hand and hoped it would go away. The reality is the show promised more than it delivered by the end. Good for you that you stayed a true fan to the very end, but the rating numbers and the fact you had to create this thread speak for themselves. I dont mind not knowing the answer to stuff, but the show led everyone to believe that there were real answers to be had and then they just let everyone down. I'm still somewhat confused about the whole Walt complaint. If the problem is that it "felt" like the writers had a greater role for Walt to play in the story, but it was scrapped, then you may feel that was sloppy storytelling. And it probably was. But it's not, say, a plot hole, or an unanswered question in itself. If the problem is it was never explained why Walt had special powers, then that's a fair assessment too. But many other characters also have special powers, so you can either say the question was not answered, or you can accept it as part of the internal logic of the show, the same way you accept that Jedi's can use the Force in Star Wars, or that some humans have superpowers in Heroes. I must admit, I didn't anticipate so much angst on this point about Walt, considering how insignificant his role is in the grand scheme of things. Ok, so it's not a true plothole. But saying that Walt is insignificant in the grand scheme of this when he was clearly meant to be a big part of the story from the start is weird. You could say the exact same thing about Hurley if they wrote him of early and switched the story around to fit. It diminishes the overall feel of the series and just ignoring it and saying it doesn't matter just seem like you're reinforcing my belief that you're a defensive lost fanboy. Agreed. To have the kidnapping of Walt the cliffhanger of season 1 final episode and the amount of mystery involving him throughout the whole of season 1 just to write him off as insignifcant to ease your mind is not the right answer. The way they ended the story line obviously hasn't satisfied a lot of viewers so it was not handled well.
That's not really a mystery.
The reason they kidnapped Walt was because they believed he was special.
The Others also kidnapped kids in general, to brainwash them into joining, as they cannot procreate due to fertility problems on the Island. Women die when they give birth.
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There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
I'm every bit a fan/defender of Lost as the OP, and I'm fairly confident that I'm as knowledgeable as he is, but I do believe (in my opinion) that walt's story was an unplanned re-write.
Its not something I hold against the show though as sometimes things come up in the development of a story that is written and executed over the course of 6 years that cannot be helped. I firmly believe that the story was planned out thoroughly from beginning to end but that doesn't mean that every detail was set in stone. A lot can happen in the real world during 6 years... In the television industry, your story has to have some room to bend and flex as situations rise and they have made no secret of the fact that many parts of the show were open re-write so that they could account for such factors. Shannon was killed off because Maggie Grace decided she was going to make as a big movie star (didn't turn out so hot lol). Anna Lucia was killed off because Michelle Rodriguez was going to rehab or jail or something for alcohol problems. Nicky and Paulo were added and then killed off as a plot device to help new viewers in season 3 understand what was going on.
Its not un-like game design, telling a story through an MMO is different than telling a story through an out of the box RPG. You have to have different expectations that come with the medium. Likewise, telling a story through a television show is very different than a movie or book. Yes, there were some ideas that were started early in the show that they had to change, most notably Walt. If you are so disappointed by the fact that this happened that it ruined the whole show for you, then that is your prerogative.
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What was Season 6 all about? I really don't get it. Were they already dead? Or just some kind of parallel universe? Please explain
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On January 13 2012 18:50 Angel[BTL] wrote:Although I have watched only the first 2 seasons of the show this is the main core concept behind Lost - the mystery box. One of the producers of Lost gave explanation to his fascination with the idea of mystery in this video -> J.J Abrams - Mystery BoxFrom what I saw (the interviews and season 1 and 2) they (producers) said they created this mystery (the island) but then they never tried to come along with a full explanation for the whole bits and pieces from the show. I understand the finale tried to give a sorta good explanation for the entire show but because they introduced so many concepts as they got along it was hard to swallow it from the viewers point of view. I remember watching some forums which had like 150 pages of explanation for Lost in season 1 and 2. I feel the people who had written good theories about the island were robbed of their explanation. Basically the writers decided from the get go to not give straight answers but just put here and there a little piece but never answer the whole (this including the end). I think they've written the scenario behind Lost as they advanced in the show from one series to another and from episode to episode. Then in the end because it dragged for so long they put an end to it with the purgatory idea. Sorry to ramble on this thread of yours "paralleluniverse"
OK.
Let me explain the whole Mythos of Lost for you. The explanation is simple.
Spoiler Alert.
There is an Island. Underneath this Island is exotic matter with strong electromagnetic properties that can be harnessed for time travel, for example. This is what makes this Island special. Since the beginning of human civilization people have accidentally stumbled upon the Island, lived there and died. In Ancient Roman times, a woman shipwrecks onto the Island and gives birth to 2 twins, Jacob and the Man in Black. As the twins grow up, Jacob eventually becomes the protector of the Island, while the Man in Black wants to leave the Island to see what is across the sea. The Man in Black eventually becomes the Smoke Monster.
After living amongst them, the Man in Black sees humans as evil and corrupt, and over the next 2000 years Jacob brings people to the Island to prove him wrong. But the Man in Black tries to manipulate these people into killing Jacob so that he can leave the Island. The Man in Black is evil incarnate.
Jacob recruits candidates to the Island to replace him as he realizes that the Man in Black will succeed in killing him someday. He recruits people with damaged and flawed lives, who were miserable in the world, people like Jack, Locke, Sawyer, Sun and Jin, etc. and brought them onto the Island to replace him and stop the Man in Black.
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On January 13 2012 19:09 imJealous wrote:Show nested quote +karpo wrote:
There's a difference between the asian guy who could talk to the dead and, for example, Hurley and Walt. The asian guy felt like a sidekick from the start while both Walt and Hurley were presented as a important characters. It's just weird that they later just got rid of Walt. They didn't just kill him of but it's quite clear that they had other plans for him that they dropped midway. Either that or the Walt story is just horribly written.
I'm every bit a fan/defender of Lost as the OP, and I'm fairly confident that I'm as knowledgeable as he is, but I do believe (in my opinion) that walt's story was an unplanned re-write. Its not something I hold against the show though as sometimes things come up in the development of a story that is written and executed over the course of 6 years that cannot be helped. I firmly believe that the story was planned out thoroughly from beginning to end but that doesn't mean that every detail was set in stone. A lot can happen in the real world during 6 years... In the television industry, your story has to have some room to bend and flex as situations rise and they have made no secret of the fact that many parts of the show were open re-write so that they could account for such factors. Shannon was killed off because Maggie Grace decided she was going to make as a big movie star (didn't turn out so hot lol). Anna Lucia was killed off because Michelle Rodriguez was going to rehab or jail or something for alcohol problems. Nicky and Paulo were added and then killed off as a plot device to help new viewers in season 3 understand what was going on. Its not un-like game design, telling a story through an MMO is different than telling a story through an out of the box RPG. You have to have different expectations that come with the medium. Likewise, telling a story through a television show is very different than a movie or book. Yes, there were some ideas that were started early in the show that they had to change, most notably Walt. If you are so disappointed by the fact that this happened that it ruined the whole show for you, then that is your prerogative.
Removing Walt didn't ruin Lost for me. The last few seasons and the horrible ending did.
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Who is "Evil" and who is "Good" in this show? And why is the bald guy Evil?
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