EPTFrom what i see, people that utilize things like nydus worms, focus on upgrades and has good usage of infestors, don't seem to have problems with ZvZ. I would take Symbol as an example.
The State of ZvZ: IdrA’s Thoughts on the Metagame - Page 3
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An2quamaraN
Poland379 Posts
From what i see, people that utilize things like nydus worms, focus on upgrades and has good usage of infestors, don't seem to have problems with ZvZ. I would take Symbol as an example. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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AgentChaos
United Kingdom4569 Posts
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Fortii
Germany760 Posts
this community makes me scratch my head alot. personally, i enjoy watching zvz, if the players are good at it and show some nice multitastking. but i also agree with that "interview", tier3 is rare and a lot of stuff beside roaches seem weak. | ||
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procrastibation
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wcr.4fun
Belgium686 Posts
You've got the occasional lings/blings wars. The mass roach wars. The hydra is becoming a lot more popular all of the sudden. People are researching drops and doing massive drops with roaches. Surprise buttrape nydus is being used a lot. Muta's were really popular, then got raped by fungals, now people split their muta's and are raping infestors. Even ultra's and broodlords are seeing their uses. And there's no real indication of what can or will happen in a zvz. One moment you might have a ling/bling war and the next they're teching towards ultra's. you basically can't do anything wrong in this match up concerning strategy. | ||
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how2TL
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At least Roach vs Roach, that is a damn snoozefest. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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Goetzinho ftw
Germany115 Posts
 User was temp banned for this post and other crappy posts. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On July 04 2012 06:09 sekritzzz wrote: What did he actually predict about the the state of ZvP? 8-10 months ago, the only thing I remember is him whining about Collusus death balls and jamming roach/hydra on them, and him discrediting good players because of their race (ex: Idra calling Morrow a Gold-level player if he didnt play the abusive race of terran.) So really... I don't blame people if they dont take idra seriously when it comes to the state of a match up or balance issues. You do realize that Morrow switched to zerg late 2010 right? 7 month ago IdrA was saying that Morrow had a very interesting ZvP style with lings and bling drops and was actually very good. As for his view on ZvZ i don't really think there is anything groundbreaking, it's clear that every top player kinda do whatever... Symbol and DRG have good ZvZ records because they just have way better mechanics than most. Even Nestea who seemed to have all the openings and early roach timings down to the tee just looks like every other good zerg now (with actually less refined mechanics). EDIT: wtf, i know the article is not the most fascinating but half of the posts are just retarded attacks on IdrA. | ||
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Embir
Poland567 Posts
On July 04 2012 06:29 Fortii wrote: sad to watch that everything idra says evolves into a discussion about idra and all the haters feel the need to crawl out of theyr caves and post stupid stuff, instead of discussing the actual content. this community makes me scratch my head alot. personally, i enjoy watching zvz, if the players are good at it and show some nice multitastking. but i also agree with that "interview", tier3 is rare and a lot of stuff beside roaches seem weak. Well it only backfires for IdrA for shit he spitted out during early days of SC2. As long as he had results a lot of people take him as a jerk, but at least talented jerk. I guess for now we can remove talented part, at least in SC2 department... | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On July 04 2012 04:45 Paljas wrote: nestea doesnt mind zvz. and life neither K. Cool comment. Did Idra say he minds it? He simply says it's got a lot of development and potential in store for the future. That being said, it follows that it's difficult for most if not all people to understand it fully. | ||
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
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AsymptoticClimax
United Kingdom249 Posts
On July 04 2012 04:49 Existor wrote: Roach to roach. It's so interesting. I have hope for Hots, where that Roach-festor combo will not be an ultimate combo in zvz My predictions are Swarmhost/Hydra with speed upgrade maybe complimented by a few vipers to counter infestors if needed. Also: I dont mind ZvZ since I win like 90% of them somehow. | ||
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dragoon
United States695 Posts
On July 04 2012 04:59 zeratul_jf wrote: Yea according to him, but take into account that because they like to play a match up doesnt mean that they always do good in it. I mean stephano said his best was ZvT, but his ZvP had a better record. While this could be because he faces higher lvl players that play T rather than P, but its enough to proof my point that a players self proclaimed best match up isnt always their best per say. While at the start is really easy to see what your opponent is doing because there is no denying overloads, mid and on is a different story. As more creep is around for your queens to deny vision, also mutas could come into play. But i meant scouting as in when is my opponent building and army, when is he droning. And because of the way zerg is one can go from hey im done droning to bam mass army in a few production cycles. your best match up is, for the most part, the one you're most comfortable in. winrate doesn't always matter | ||
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
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FuGGu
United States176 Posts
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haffy
United Kingdom430 Posts
Everything he says in the article seems really solid to me, especially the 15 pool/15 hatch opening over 14pool/14 gas. However I think he's kind of throwing hydras aside too quickly. I think ZvZ is the one match up where they're actually a stable strategy, unlike ZvP where at certain points in the match up they become almost useless. Also I think against the ling/infester/ultra style hydras become much better. Kind of hard to know though because of how often it happens. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On July 04 2012 06:44 Embir wrote: Well it only backfires for IdrA for shit he spitted out during early days of SC2. As long as he had results a lot of people take him as a jerk, but at least talented jerk. I guess for now we can remove talented part, at least in SC2 department... is there an expiration date on results? idra has a long history of talent. | ||
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