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The State of ZvZ: IdrA’s Thoughts on the Metagame - Page 11

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Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 04 2012 18:00 GMT
#201
On July 05 2012 00:14 elis wrote:
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On July 04 2012 21:47 Aocowns wrote:
On July 04 2012 16:52 elis wrote:
idra should go to bed, he isnt any more qualified to talk about matchups than avilo

You should go to bed, you're being an ignorant idiot. Idra is a really smart player, he has more game knowledge, and he is smarter about the game than most foreigners I think. Pretty much all of what he says in the article is pretty spot on if you care to read it. The fact that you compare Avilo to Idra in terms of match up understanding is fucking hilarious to me btw XD

i think you are the ignorant idiot for not realizing how bad idra is at this game, his ego is way too large relative to his skill. i think its hilaious how he tells other people their opinion is trash and not worth listening to when he has a 33% winrate in 2012.

"XD"

Holy shit, you simply refuse to acknowledge that you are allowed to be smart about the game without having results, do you.
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
July 04 2012 18:04 GMT
#202
While I really don't like ZvZ, I like this sort of blog/article. Is anything similar planned for the T matchups? Would love to hear Demu's thoughts!
Keep 'em coming, good job EG.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
July 04 2012 18:05 GMT
#203
On July 05 2012 01:05 IamPryda wrote:
My guess is the real reason idra hates zvz is because u have to micro units something he can't do and zvz is the one match for zergs where holding a push doesn't just come down to holding by having more stuff with Econ behind it to get zergs powerful late game compostions. Control your banelings better, micro roaches back better, fungal better means u win zvz... idra is inferior to most top zergs in this area

My guess is that he knows why he dislikes it more than you...

I beg to differ, Idra's specific unit micro is splendid, showcased by his ling/bane micro and his muta micro. I think it is more his general army management that is shit, as compared to his actual micro. Far too often you see infestors getting caught in he front, bad engages, bad concaves and infestors dying uselessly without landing proper fungals, but that is something entirely different than specific unit micro. I could reference some games he streamed vZ that showcase his ling/bane micro nicely, but I do concede that top NA zergs aren't exactly the best at ling/bling micro most of the time. (note that this does not mean I think he is much better than all foreigners etc etc, just that his micro isn't as bad as people say)
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
July 04 2012 23:17 GMT
#204
On July 05 2012 03:05 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 01:05 IamPryda wrote:
My guess is the real reason idra hates zvz is because u have to micro units something he can't do and zvz is the one match for zergs where holding a push doesn't just come down to holding by having more stuff with Econ behind it to get zergs powerful late game compostions. Control your banelings better, micro roaches back better, fungal better means u win zvz... idra is inferior to most top zergs in this area

My guess is that he knows why he dislikes it more than you...

I beg to differ, Idra's specific unit micro is splendid, showcased by his ling/bane micro and his muta micro. I think it is more his general army management that is shit, as compared to his actual micro. Far too often you see infestors getting caught in he front, bad engages, bad concaves and infestors dying uselessly without landing proper fungals

i count that all under micro and i wouldnt say his muta control is anything to brag about i would say its average at best he does have nice ling flanking across the board but the rest of his micro is shit for someone that many zergs still hold up so high. idra has always had a great understanding of the game but i think that fact he leaves games early when behind doent help as he never tries to get back in by using great postion or a level of harrass that will force mistakes that u see other players do.
Moar banelings less qq
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
July 08 2012 21:52 GMT
#205
for all the dumbasses who are talking about how Idra is a bad player to qoute: He is/was a rank one GM in NA, he is a professional player, so even if his winrate would've been 10% in competitive games he's better than any american amateur AND he's getting payed to play this game,
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