EPTZvZ with all the fungals/macro to 200/200 asap with roachs, or some muta harass etcetc is quite interesting imo. And the ZvZ matchup itself i think many "understands it" but haven't evolved it enough yet like every other matchup.
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
ZvZ with all the fungals/macro to 200/200 asap with roachs, or some muta harass etcetc is quite interesting imo. And the ZvZ matchup itself i think many "understands it" but haven't evolved it enough yet like every other matchup. | ||
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Chronopolis
Canada1484 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On July 04 2012 05:19 NEEDZMOAR wrote: except that about 8-10 months ago he predicted exactly what zvp would look like now. Right in the middle of all the haters and qqers. and that mass ghosts would be the new thing (then snipe nerf...)  | ||
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jdsowa
405 Posts
Also, as long as you have a pack of 16-20 speedlings, you can prevent the player going muta from taking his 3rd, because you can snipe with speedling run-by just as easily as he can prevent your 3rd. | ||
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SupItsG
United States59 Posts
On July 04 2012 05:17 CrtBalorda wrote: I want it to be on the same level of fun and fairnes as PvP and TvT. I think PvP is worse tbh | ||
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Coolness53
United States668 Posts
On July 04 2012 05:19 Flossy wrote: I for one love to watch ZvZ. It's so micro intensive and random. Never knowing what will happen and the smallest mistake makes you lose. But I hate playing it. So frustrating. :/ Agreed watching it is fun but playing it can be very frustrating. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
All the mirrors are evolving into epic matchups, just recently we had Squirtle vs MC, then before that we had Violet vs Symbol at Spring Arena, and TvT has been solid forever. Tbh I prefer the mirrors to the non-mirrors in many ways atm. | ||
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Cenja
Sweden498 Posts
On July 04 2012 05:17 CrtBalorda wrote: I have my hopes up that ZvZ evolves into something more the what it was in brood war, and then it might actully be an interesting matchup. I want it to be on the same level of fun and fairnes as PvP and TvT. You mean muta vs muta? I'm not sure we will see that, I'm no expert but I think that larva inject makes zergling and roach play stronger than it would be in BW. Since you have more larva / hatchery you will be able to produce more units, especially those that are cheap. Basically if you rush for mutalisks the other play will be able to get a ton of cheap units because he will have so much larva. I could be wrong obviously it's just some thought I have. I enjoy to watch zergling-baneling wars due to the pace but the roach midgame is so dull. | ||
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artosismermaid
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On July 04 2012 04:46 Sc2Null wrote: ZvZ is a matchup mostly of mindgames. Its similar to PvP in the respect that the smallest decision can impact the game overall. The volatility of ZvZ comes from the speed of the units and zergs natural weak defense. My favorite matchup when mutas aren't involved imo. edit: also, quoting Idra adds nothing to the discussion..get an interview from nestea or drg. You dont have to be a dick. Idra is very experienced progamer im sure he knows wtf he is talking about | ||
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keglu
Poland485 Posts
On July 04 2012 05:19 NEEDZMOAR wrote: except that about 8-10 months ago he predicted exactly what zvp would look like now. Right in the middle of all the haters and qqers. What exactly did he predict? | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
"PSHHPHSSSPHSSSSWIEEEEWIEEEIWEEEEE". | ||
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
On July 04 2012 05:51 Benjamin99 wrote: You dont have to be a dick. Idra is very experienced progamer im sure he knows wtf he is talking about I might get warned for saying this, but Idra has more interviews than actual tournament wins. Not like it matters, he's very experienced progamer and stuff. User was warned for this post | ||
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On July 04 2012 05:48 artosismermaid wrote: this guy talks far too much about sc2 and doesn't play enough of it ... Doing an interview constitutes that? He plays quite a bit, according to his ladder record. On July 04 2012 05:56 DidYuhim wrote: I might get warned for saying this, but Idra has more interviews than actual tournament wins. Not like it matters, he's very experienced progamer and stuff. So does every other good player. Because if you are a popular player you'll get interviewed at every tournament and people will be asking for interviews in between tournaments as well. It's just that interviews from equally skilled players don't stand out as much, because they're not as popular as Idra. | ||
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DidYuhim
Ukraine1905 Posts
On July 04 2012 05:58 Skwid1g wrote:So does every other good player. Because if you are a popular player you'll get interviewed at every tournament and people will be asking for interviews in between tournaments as well. It's just that interviews from equally skilled players don't stand out as much, because they're not as popular as Idra. No? Being popular and being good are pretty different things, sir. There are players that figured out ZvZ. Just because one popular player can't do it, he starts posting random stuff and it get re-posted to different sites and this is how a myth is born. And after it, come Blizzard "Oh, hey, guys, a lot of people say that *** is overpowered. Let's nerf it". | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
Also, if people will whine and complain every time they see the name IdrA then what's IdrA's incentive for caring about what any of you think? Or reading these forums? Some people seem to forget that he is just an adolescent barely in his twenties that likes competing and playing video games. He does not owe you anything and you have no right to expect him to fulfill any of your bizarre fantasies of a pro-gamer that plays games 14 hours a day and has no opinions about anything. How pathetic is it to go to every thread involving him and complain that he should shut his mouth and practice? | ||
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sekritzzz
1515 Posts
On July 04 2012 05:19 NEEDZMOAR wrote: except that about 8-10 months ago he predicted exactly what zvp would look like now. Right in the middle of all the haters and qqers. What did he actually predict about the the state of ZvP? 8-10 months ago, the only thing I remember is him whining about Collusus death balls and jamming roach/hydra on them, and him discrediting good players because of their race (ex: Idra calling Morrow a Gold-level player if he didnt play the abusive race of terran.) So really... I don't blame people if they dont take idra seriously when it comes to the state of a match up or balance issues. | ||
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aznball123
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Scrubwave
Poland1786 Posts
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