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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
Thanks,
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I really like the move of still listing his streams and removing all ads from it.
Now IdrA has 0 reason not to stream as he did before, and if he does not it is just him acting like a child. There is nothing at all he could possibly lose from it.
Either way I wonder if the reason why IdrA is not permbanned yet is because of the noise it would create. If this is just for a 90 day ban. *shudders*
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On May 08 2011 10:42 bEwArE wrote:
I don't think IdrA was right to try and get people spamming Chill, but by banning him what do you hope to achieve? If you've warned him before surely you realise he isn't going to change his stance on things and certain players..
If Idra can't post for 3 months, that's 3 months of newcomers not being taught that being an asshole is okay because Greg Fields does it on the forums.
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My respect for TL has grown. They have proven that nobody in this forum should be treated differently no matter the number of posts you have or how popular you are. As a newer member of the TL community I hope this sends a message to those who are BM. Don't BM or else... 
Btw I hope idrA will come back to TL
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On May 08 2011 10:41 keeblur wrote:I don't understand how anyone can be a fan of this IdrA any more. He's just a bad mannered, stuck up little brat, who is delusional in thinking he can somehow get away with being a complete tool. Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 10:37 TALegion wrote:
Maybe this is me being stupid (though, makes sense to me...), but I think this entire scenario is a giant-ass piece of evidence that all of IdrA's BM is just some bullshit attention-whoring publicity stunt to get people to notice him (and I believe it's working, seeing as he has a 50 page thread on his ban, and a +400 page fan thread). ^ This
Idra is a great player and he says what he has in his mind if ppl gets offended he dosent care and ppl like drama even if they dont admit it.
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On May 08 2011 10:44 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 10:43 Az0r_au wrote:On May 08 2011 10:38 zeru wrote:On May 08 2011 10:36 Az0r_au wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 08 2011 10:23 mahnini wrote:
what people are forgetting is that TL has high standards for the conduct of their users. due to the explosion of new users and lack of sufficient manpower to moderate a lot of people think TL is just some forum where you can post whatever you feel like with no repercussions. that couldn't be anywhere further from the truth.
this is going to sound super elitist but i don't care because it's the truth. TL is one of the foundations for why sc2 is the way it is today. TL is one of the reasons western esports even stands a chance. for 10 years through thick and thin our little community kept cranking out coverage of a video game from across the world that many have heard of but few truly understood. all the mods and staff you see aren't here doing it for the money or power, they do it because they love the game and the community. hot_bid, chill, kennigit? they all started as regular users who browsed the forum and loved the game. through contributions to the site and dedication they were selected to be among the proud few who could call themselves TL staff.
think about how easy it is today for you to get a stream to watch sc2 and remember that back in 2005 TL members would stay up till 2am on irc hoping that one of our members MAYBE could get their hands on a korean stream. remember that when WCG had no idea what TL was or how to get a proper caster TL's support and encouragement helped propel tasteless to caster fame.
TLPD? possibly the most comprehensive starcraft database in existence? made from the ground up by TL staff and volunteers. our strategy forums are probably the most informative english resources in the world, they have to be moderated and still we don't consider them to be perfect. articles, fpvods, commentaries? our users put their heart and soul into churning these out because they knew somewhere out there in our community there was someone who would appreciate it.
people need to stop considering TL a separate entity or some conglomerate of egotistic admins. TL is YOU. every single poster, viewer, or reader is part of TL. everything on this site is user generated by people who care and it's a damn shame when one of only sites that will literally take a stand for the community and uphold it's integrity is seen as some overzealous, overmoderated, egotistic, site for elitists.
if that's elitist then i'm an elitist and that's just how it is. While I agree that previous TL members have made TL what it is today and you all deserve full credit for bringing your small community to the mainstream, main stream e-sports (atleast in NA) contains BM and smack talk. Try watching Halo or CoD, every frag is accompanied by an insult to the dead players mother or his sexuality. I feel that because of TL's beginnings as a tight nit community, the "old guard" has a very sheltered view and thin skinned view on manners in general. Sooner or later TL will have to deal with the fact that BM is a part of e-sports and a very entertaining part at that. Most casual viewers dont watch e-sports because they can appreciate the finer points of a 45 minute macro game. They watch it for their favourite players and their rivalries or to see people "get owned" etc. The FPS communities as I know them are looked upon as shit compared to TL, same with the WoW community. I don't think that is what we want this to become. I'm not saying we should emmulate those communities, but at the same time TL needs to realise the value of bm/rivalries to e-sports as a whole. there is a difference between bm and rivalries and being a dick.
For cereal, TL is a rare jewel of a community.
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On May 08 2011 10:38 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 10:36 Az0r_au wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 08 2011 10:23 mahnini wrote:
what people are forgetting is that TL has high standards for the conduct of their users. due to the explosion of new users and lack of sufficient manpower to moderate a lot of people think TL is just some forum where you can post whatever you feel like with no repercussions. that couldn't be anywhere further from the truth.
this is going to sound super elitist but i don't care because it's the truth. TL is one of the foundations for why sc2 is the way it is today. TL is one of the reasons western esports even stands a chance. for 10 years through thick and thin our little community kept cranking out coverage of a video game from across the world that many have heard of but few truly understood. all the mods and staff you see aren't here doing it for the money or power, they do it because they love the game and the community. hot_bid, chill, kennigit? they all started as regular users who browsed the forum and loved the game. through contributions to the site and dedication they were selected to be among the proud few who could call themselves TL staff.
think about how easy it is today for you to get a stream to watch sc2 and remember that back in 2005 TL members would stay up till 2am on irc hoping that one of our members MAYBE could get their hands on a korean stream. remember that when WCG had no idea what TL was or how to get a proper caster TL's support and encouragement helped propel tasteless to caster fame.
TLPD? possibly the most comprehensive starcraft database in existence? made from the ground up by TL staff and volunteers. our strategy forums are probably the most informative english resources in the world, they have to be moderated and still we don't consider them to be perfect. articles, fpvods, commentaries? our users put their heart and soul into churning these out because they knew somewhere out there in our community there was someone who would appreciate it.
people need to stop considering TL a separate entity or some conglomerate of egotistic admins. TL is YOU. every single poster, viewer, or reader is part of TL. everything on this site is user generated by people who care and it's a damn shame when one of only sites that will literally take a stand for the community and uphold it's integrity is seen as some overzealous, overmoderated, egotistic, site for elitists.
if that's elitist then i'm an elitist and that's just how it is. While I agree that previous TL members have made TL what it is today and you all deserve full credit for bringing your small community to the mainstream, main stream e-sports (atleast in NA) contains BM and smack talk. Try watching Halo or CoD, every frag is accompanied by an insult to the dead players mother or his sexuality. I feel that because of TL's beginnings as a tight nit community, the "old guard" has a very sheltered view and thin skinned view on manners in general. Sooner or later TL will have to deal with the fact that BM is a part of e-sports and a very entertaining part at that. Most casual viewers dont watch e-sports because they can appreciate the finer points of a 45 minute macro game. They watch it for their favourite players and their rivalries or to see people "get owned" etc. The FPS communities as I know them are looked upon as shit compared to TL, same with the WoW community. I don't think that is what we want this to become.
Exactly. I haven't been here for all that long, but I'm pretty sure TL was not created to cater to "casual viewers" who watch ESPORTS only for "rivalries or to see people get owned etc." It was created with the vision that mahnini outlined in his post above. When you set out with a goal to create a community, and you state your vision for that community to be something special, you don't abandon that vision lightly.
TL is what it is, and that's why I enjoy this place.
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The fact remains that Idra's comment on Twitter:
wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you
and Nazgul's response:
Regardless of whether he felt the 2-day ban was justified or not, we cannot tolerate a forum user publicly encouraging harassment of our moderators.
shows that the mods are assuming they knew Idra's intent. It makes complete sense for Idra to tell his fans to complain if they feel the ban was inappropriate and unwarranted as this site is supposed to promote 'fairness' and 'unbiased' attitudes. If certain people spammed Chill, that was their prerogative.
Also, most people know that Idra can still stream but honestly, I can see how he would not want to after all these events. Yes, he is BM all the time but he also has a huge fan base. The mods are very short tempered with him and this is understandable considering his past. However, in this case the decision to ban him seems illogical in every aspect and is based on a huge assumption that he was actually trying to get people to abuse a moderator via PMs. Idra's Twitter post was actually very tame and well-thought out imo. He didn't say "F TL or SPAM CHILL." He actually tweeted an appropriate response for his fans to follow as a result of the ban.
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How do I know this was a bad idea? There's 50+ pages discussing it.
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Why does this have 52 pages? 90% of Idras posts is just trolling or smacktalking. I dont see any reason for further discussion regarding his ban. I just dont get it. He will still talk shit and gather a crowd through tournaments, interviews and his stream. It is not TL's moderating that's wrong with this site, it is you people writing essays about shit like this that does not really matter at all.
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On May 08 2011 10:45 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 10:43 Az0r_au wrote:On May 08 2011 10:38 zeru wrote:On May 08 2011 10:36 Az0r_au wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 08 2011 10:23 mahnini wrote:
what people are forgetting is that TL has high standards for the conduct of their users. due to the explosion of new users and lack of sufficient manpower to moderate a lot of people think TL is just some forum where you can post whatever you feel like with no repercussions. that couldn't be anywhere further from the truth.
this is going to sound super elitist but i don't care because it's the truth. TL is one of the foundations for why sc2 is the way it is today. TL is one of the reasons western esports even stands a chance. for 10 years through thick and thin our little community kept cranking out coverage of a video game from across the world that many have heard of but few truly understood. all the mods and staff you see aren't here doing it for the money or power, they do it because they love the game and the community. hot_bid, chill, kennigit? they all started as regular users who browsed the forum and loved the game. through contributions to the site and dedication they were selected to be among the proud few who could call themselves TL staff.
think about how easy it is today for you to get a stream to watch sc2 and remember that back in 2005 TL members would stay up till 2am on irc hoping that one of our members MAYBE could get their hands on a korean stream. remember that when WCG had no idea what TL was or how to get a proper caster TL's support and encouragement helped propel tasteless to caster fame.
TLPD? possibly the most comprehensive starcraft database in existence? made from the ground up by TL staff and volunteers. our strategy forums are probably the most informative english resources in the world, they have to be moderated and still we don't consider them to be perfect. articles, fpvods, commentaries? our users put their heart and soul into churning these out because they knew somewhere out there in our community there was someone who would appreciate it.
people need to stop considering TL a separate entity or some conglomerate of egotistic admins. TL is YOU. every single poster, viewer, or reader is part of TL. everything on this site is user generated by people who care and it's a damn shame when one of only sites that will literally take a stand for the community and uphold it's integrity is seen as some overzealous, overmoderated, egotistic, site for elitists.
if that's elitist then i'm an elitist and that's just how it is. While I agree that previous TL members have made TL what it is today and you all deserve full credit for bringing your small community to the mainstream, main stream e-sports (atleast in NA) contains BM and smack talk. Try watching Halo or CoD, every frag is accompanied by an insult to the dead players mother or his sexuality. I feel that because of TL's beginnings as a tight nit community, the "old guard" has a very sheltered view and thin skinned view on manners in general. Sooner or later TL will have to deal with the fact that BM is a part of e-sports and a very entertaining part at that. Most casual viewers dont watch e-sports because they can appreciate the finer points of a 45 minute macro game. They watch it for their favourite players and their rivalries or to see people "get owned" etc. The FPS communities as I know them are looked upon as shit compared to TL, same with the WoW community. I don't think that is what we want this to become. I'm not saying we should emmulate those communities, but at the same time TL needs to realise the value of bm/rivalries to e-sports as a whole. I don't see any value to what idra does. It's beyond bm. It's beyond personality. It's immaturity.
This is exactly what I talk about with being thin skinned. Calling someone a name on a forum is really not that note worthy in the world of gaming EXCEPT on teamliquid.
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On May 08 2011 10:43 Simple wrote:
wait, so hes done this before and been temp-banned before for almost the same infraction
any other person wouldve been killed on site and wouldnt be given a second chance
yes and I for one do agree with the 90 day ban. He brings nothing constructive to the community and if they ever just permanently ban him (cuz lets be honest, he will pull this stupid childish stuff again) I would be glad to see it come
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All i hear from people that know him is that Idra is a super nice guy in real life but I just don't really see it..and anyhow who isn't a nice guy in real life..nice guys are everywhere...he's still a dick in game.
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On May 08 2011 10:42 bEwArE wrote:
I don't think IdrA was right to try and get people spamming Chill, but by banning him what do you hope to achieve? If you've warned him before surely you realise he isn't going to change his stance on things and certain players..
That's why he should be perm-banned. Send a message to him. The temp bans have gone on long enough.
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On May 08 2011 10:47 Az0r_au wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 10:45 zeru wrote:On May 08 2011 10:43 Az0r_au wrote:On May 08 2011 10:38 zeru wrote:On May 08 2011 10:36 Az0r_au wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 08 2011 10:23 mahnini wrote:
what people are forgetting is that TL has high standards for the conduct of their users. due to the explosion of new users and lack of sufficient manpower to moderate a lot of people think TL is just some forum where you can post whatever you feel like with no repercussions. that couldn't be anywhere further from the truth.
this is going to sound super elitist but i don't care because it's the truth. TL is one of the foundations for why sc2 is the way it is today. TL is one of the reasons western esports even stands a chance. for 10 years through thick and thin our little community kept cranking out coverage of a video game from across the world that many have heard of but few truly understood. all the mods and staff you see aren't here doing it for the money or power, they do it because they love the game and the community. hot_bid, chill, kennigit? they all started as regular users who browsed the forum and loved the game. through contributions to the site and dedication they were selected to be among the proud few who could call themselves TL staff.
think about how easy it is today for you to get a stream to watch sc2 and remember that back in 2005 TL members would stay up till 2am on irc hoping that one of our members MAYBE could get their hands on a korean stream. remember that when WCG had no idea what TL was or how to get a proper caster TL's support and encouragement helped propel tasteless to caster fame.
TLPD? possibly the most comprehensive starcraft database in existence? made from the ground up by TL staff and volunteers. our strategy forums are probably the most informative english resources in the world, they have to be moderated and still we don't consider them to be perfect. articles, fpvods, commentaries? our users put their heart and soul into churning these out because they knew somewhere out there in our community there was someone who would appreciate it.
people need to stop considering TL a separate entity or some conglomerate of egotistic admins. TL is YOU. every single poster, viewer, or reader is part of TL. everything on this site is user generated by people who care and it's a damn shame when one of only sites that will literally take a stand for the community and uphold it's integrity is seen as some overzealous, overmoderated, egotistic, site for elitists.
if that's elitist then i'm an elitist and that's just how it is. While I agree that previous TL members have made TL what it is today and you all deserve full credit for bringing your small community to the mainstream, main stream e-sports (atleast in NA) contains BM and smack talk. Try watching Halo or CoD, every frag is accompanied by an insult to the dead players mother or his sexuality. I feel that because of TL's beginnings as a tight nit community, the "old guard" has a very sheltered view and thin skinned view on manners in general. Sooner or later TL will have to deal with the fact that BM is a part of e-sports and a very entertaining part at that. Most casual viewers dont watch e-sports because they can appreciate the finer points of a 45 minute macro game. They watch it for their favourite players and their rivalries or to see people "get owned" etc. The FPS communities as I know them are looked upon as shit compared to TL, same with the WoW community. I don't think that is what we want this to become. I'm not saying we should emmulate those communities, but at the same time TL needs to realise the value of bm/rivalries to e-sports as a whole. I don't see any value to what idra does. It's beyond bm. It's beyond personality. It's immaturity. This is exactly what I talk about with being thin skinned. Calling someone a name on a forum is really not that note worthy in the world of gaming EXCEPT on teamliquid.
And therefore he was punished for it.
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On May 08 2011 10:47 Az0r_au wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 10:45 zeru wrote:On May 08 2011 10:43 Az0r_au wrote:On May 08 2011 10:38 zeru wrote:On May 08 2011 10:36 Az0r_au wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 08 2011 10:23 mahnini wrote:
what people are forgetting is that TL has high standards for the conduct of their users. due to the explosion of new users and lack of sufficient manpower to moderate a lot of people think TL is just some forum where you can post whatever you feel like with no repercussions. that couldn't be anywhere further from the truth.
this is going to sound super elitist but i don't care because it's the truth. TL is one of the foundations for why sc2 is the way it is today. TL is one of the reasons western esports even stands a chance. for 10 years through thick and thin our little community kept cranking out coverage of a video game from across the world that many have heard of but few truly understood. all the mods and staff you see aren't here doing it for the money or power, they do it because they love the game and the community. hot_bid, chill, kennigit? they all started as regular users who browsed the forum and loved the game. through contributions to the site and dedication they were selected to be among the proud few who could call themselves TL staff.
think about how easy it is today for you to get a stream to watch sc2 and remember that back in 2005 TL members would stay up till 2am on irc hoping that one of our members MAYBE could get their hands on a korean stream. remember that when WCG had no idea what TL was or how to get a proper caster TL's support and encouragement helped propel tasteless to caster fame.
TLPD? possibly the most comprehensive starcraft database in existence? made from the ground up by TL staff and volunteers. our strategy forums are probably the most informative english resources in the world, they have to be moderated and still we don't consider them to be perfect. articles, fpvods, commentaries? our users put their heart and soul into churning these out because they knew somewhere out there in our community there was someone who would appreciate it.
people need to stop considering TL a separate entity or some conglomerate of egotistic admins. TL is YOU. every single poster, viewer, or reader is part of TL. everything on this site is user generated by people who care and it's a damn shame when one of only sites that will literally take a stand for the community and uphold it's integrity is seen as some overzealous, overmoderated, egotistic, site for elitists.
if that's elitist then i'm an elitist and that's just how it is. While I agree that previous TL members have made TL what it is today and you all deserve full credit for bringing your small community to the mainstream, main stream e-sports (atleast in NA) contains BM and smack talk. Try watching Halo or CoD, every frag is accompanied by an insult to the dead players mother or his sexuality. I feel that because of TL's beginnings as a tight nit community, the "old guard" has a very sheltered view and thin skinned view on manners in general. Sooner or later TL will have to deal with the fact that BM is a part of e-sports and a very entertaining part at that. Most casual viewers dont watch e-sports because they can appreciate the finer points of a 45 minute macro game. They watch it for their favourite players and their rivalries or to see people "get owned" etc. The FPS communities as I know them are looked upon as shit compared to TL, same with the WoW community. I don't think that is what we want this to become. I'm not saying we should emmulate those communities, but at the same time TL needs to realise the value of bm/rivalries to e-sports as a whole. I don't see any value to what idra does. It's beyond bm. It's beyond personality. It's immaturity. This is exactly what I talk about with being thin skinned. Calling someone a name on a forum is really not that note worthy in the world of gaming EXCEPT on teamliquid.
And thank god. The last thing I need is a forum version of xbox live.
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On May 08 2011 10:47 Az0r_au wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 10:45 zeru wrote:On May 08 2011 10:43 Az0r_au wrote:On May 08 2011 10:38 zeru wrote:On May 08 2011 10:36 Az0r_au wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 08 2011 10:23 mahnini wrote:
what people are forgetting is that TL has high standards for the conduct of their users. due to the explosion of new users and lack of sufficient manpower to moderate a lot of people think TL is just some forum where you can post whatever you feel like with no repercussions. that couldn't be anywhere further from the truth.
this is going to sound super elitist but i don't care because it's the truth. TL is one of the foundations for why sc2 is the way it is today. TL is one of the reasons western esports even stands a chance. for 10 years through thick and thin our little community kept cranking out coverage of a video game from across the world that many have heard of but few truly understood. all the mods and staff you see aren't here doing it for the money or power, they do it because they love the game and the community. hot_bid, chill, kennigit? they all started as regular users who browsed the forum and loved the game. through contributions to the site and dedication they were selected to be among the proud few who could call themselves TL staff.
think about how easy it is today for you to get a stream to watch sc2 and remember that back in 2005 TL members would stay up till 2am on irc hoping that one of our members MAYBE could get their hands on a korean stream. remember that when WCG had no idea what TL was or how to get a proper caster TL's support and encouragement helped propel tasteless to caster fame.
TLPD? possibly the most comprehensive starcraft database in existence? made from the ground up by TL staff and volunteers. our strategy forums are probably the most informative english resources in the world, they have to be moderated and still we don't consider them to be perfect. articles, fpvods, commentaries? our users put their heart and soul into churning these out because they knew somewhere out there in our community there was someone who would appreciate it.
people need to stop considering TL a separate entity or some conglomerate of egotistic admins. TL is YOU. every single poster, viewer, or reader is part of TL. everything on this site is user generated by people who care and it's a damn shame when one of only sites that will literally take a stand for the community and uphold it's integrity is seen as some overzealous, overmoderated, egotistic, site for elitists.
if that's elitist then i'm an elitist and that's just how it is. While I agree that previous TL members have made TL what it is today and you all deserve full credit for bringing your small community to the mainstream, main stream e-sports (atleast in NA) contains BM and smack talk. Try watching Halo or CoD, every frag is accompanied by an insult to the dead players mother or his sexuality. I feel that because of TL's beginnings as a tight nit community, the "old guard" has a very sheltered view and thin skinned view on manners in general. Sooner or later TL will have to deal with the fact that BM is a part of e-sports and a very entertaining part at that. Most casual viewers dont watch e-sports because they can appreciate the finer points of a 45 minute macro game. They watch it for their favourite players and their rivalries or to see people "get owned" etc. The FPS communities as I know them are looked upon as shit compared to TL, same with the WoW community. I don't think that is what we want this to become. I'm not saying we should emmulate those communities, but at the same time TL needs to realise the value of bm/rivalries to e-sports as a whole. I don't see any value to what idra does. It's beyond bm. It's beyond personality. It's immaturity. This is exactly what I talk about with being thin skinned. Calling someone a name on a forum is really not that note worthy in the world of gaming EXCEPT on teamliquid.
ever think that may be why TL is one of the best communities out there?
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On May 08 2011 10:39 stevarius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 10:36 intrigue wrote:On May 08 2011 10:33 stevarius wrote:On May 08 2011 10:30 TurpinOS wrote:On May 08 2011 10:25 stevarius wrote:
This is the only forum that I've *ever* seen go to this lengths to ban someone for breaking rules.
90 days? That's just ridiculous. Not a fan of the whole drama scenario and not a fan of how it was handled. With that said, I won't go to great lengths to show my discontent because I don't want to share in his punishment. 1. this should be considered a good thing, atlas a forum that has strict standards of moderations and that are followed 2. idra has been banned over 25 times on the site, ive rarely seen something like that on any forums, he should count himself as very lucky When you consider how many posts he has and how long he's been on these forums, 25 is not really anything. It's like parking tickets over 30 years. to fix your analogy: it's like he parks 4.46 times per day over a period of 7 years and still hits other cars Parking your car is not the same every time and humans don't learn perfection from experience. In the case of posting, more posts will not make you more likely to care about the rules.
Although I think by that time most people with common sense would come to realize that, after so many years, either:
1. You should park in really big parking spaces (don't post in threads where things can get heated)
2. You should let other people park your car for you (check with a moderator if you don't know if your post is 100% appropriate)
3. You shouldn't even be driving in the first place if you can't abide by the rules of the road (just stop posting in TeamLiquid altogether if you can't stop inciting problems)
I'm curious as to how many more times IdrA has to piss on this forum before the moderators perma-ban him. He's a great player, but that's irrelevant when it comes to the law. He's been accommodated very well because of his long history with the StarCraft scene, which I understand. That being said, I'll certainly understand if he ever actually gets kicked out because of his immaturity. I'll be sad when he goes, but there will be no one to blame but IdrA. Certainly not the moderators, who will only be doing their jobs.
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The fact that Idra said Pm Chill IF THIS UPSETS YOU IRKS ME. That's appealing to the emotional side of fans, he could of said, "ask the moderators if you have any questions regarding this ban". NO. He went for the jugular, and this is what is now ticking me off.
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