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Hello, all!

It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.

Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.

Thanks,

Empyrean. Time stamp: 03:59 KST.
Toussre
Profile Joined April 2011
United States11 Posts
May 08 2011 01:50 GMT
#1061
I don't understand why people are making a huge deal about this, its not like idra posts on teamliquid that much anyways.
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42x10
Profile Joined February 2011
United States62 Posts
May 08 2011 01:50 GMT
#1062
People who are arguing that the mods need to "let idra be" must either be new or have their heads in the sand about his oftentimes childish manners.

The fact is that over the last few years he's gone above and beyond what most people would call BM. In BW he often whined that terran was underpowered. He had no respect for his opponents and became kind of an anti-hero for it. Still, at that point he was almost charming. His humor was direct and quite funny "making carriers is a great talent toi have" is probably a line i'll remember until i'm senile.

But lately he has been taking a much more hostile approach to his opponents. He has been more active in bm'ing and says quite insulting things about players that are his equals for no reason other than that they win, or lose. I think Idra is becoming a real monster, like a toddler who hasn't been reigned in enough. He thinks he has unlimited free reign of the site because of his competitive success, and this ban is a proverbial spanking that will hopefully make him realize that he can't act like an asshat on a site that goes out of it's way to prevent that type of stuff.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 01:51:15
May 08 2011 01:50 GMT
#1063
On May 08 2011 10:46 chameleonism wrote:
The fact remains that Idra's comment on Twitter:

Show nested quote +
wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you

and Nazgul's response:

Show nested quote +
Regardless of whether he felt the 2-day ban was justified or not, we cannot tolerate a forum user publicly encouraging harassment of our moderators.

shows that the mods are assuming they knew Idra's intent. It makes complete sense for Idra to tell his fans to complain if they feel the ban was inappropriate and unwarranted as this site is supposed to promote 'fairness' and 'unbiased' attitudes. If certain people spammed Chill, that was their prerogative.

Also, most people know that Idra can still stream but honestly, I can see how he would not want to after all these events. Yes, he is BM all the time but he also has a huge fan base. The mods are very short tempered with him and this is understandable considering his past. However, in this case the decision to ban him seems illogical in every aspect and is based on a huge assumption that he was actually trying to get people to abuse a moderator via PMs. Idra's Twitter post was actually very tame and well-thought out imo. He didn't say "F TL or SPAM CHILL." He actually tweeted an appropriate response for his fans to follow as a result of the ban.

Are you really trying to say that IdrA didnt knew that people would be spamming Chill if he posted something like that?... you are either really naive, or completely blinded.
elmizzt
Profile Joined February 2010
United States3309 Posts
May 08 2011 01:51 GMT
#1064
On May 08 2011 10:46 chameleonism wrote:
The fact remains that Idra's comment on Twitter:

Show nested quote +
wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you

and Nazgul's response:

Show nested quote +
Regardless of whether he felt the 2-day ban was justified or not, we cannot tolerate a forum user publicly encouraging harassment of our moderators.

shows that the mods are assuming they knew Idra's intent. It makes complete sense for Idra to tell his fans to complain if they feel the ban was inappropriate and unwarranted as this site is supposed to promote 'fairness' and 'unbiased' attitudes. If certain people spammed Chill, that was their prerogative.

Also, most people know that Idra can still stream but honestly, I can see how he would not want to after all these events. Yes, he is BM all the time but he also has a huge fan base. The mods are very short tempered with him and this is understandable considering his past. However, in this case the decision to ban him seems illogical in every aspect and is based on a huge assumption that he was actually trying to get people to abuse a moderator via PMs. Idra's Twitter post was actually very tame and well-thought out imo. He didn't say "F TL or SPAM CHILL." He actually tweeted an appropriate response for his fans to follow as a result of the ban.

On May 08 2011 10:47 qwaykee wrote:
Why does this have 52 pages? 90% of Idras posts is just trolling or smacktalking. I dont see any reason for further discussion regarding his ban. I just dont get it. He will still talk shit and gather a crowd through tournaments, interviews and his stream. It is not TL's moderating that's wrong with this site, it is you people writing essays about shit like this that does not really matter at all.


The real question is, why don't people read threads before posting in them so that they don't bring up issues and ask questions that have been answered to death?
d=(^_^)z
Fir3fly
Profile Joined May 2009
Australia251 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 01:55:25
May 08 2011 01:51 GMT
#1065
i *really* cant see whats so bad about this.

1. he didn't tell his fans to spam him. thats just you putting a biased spin on something that seems pretty logical. "pm if you feel this is the wrong choice" etc.

2. Idra is known for BM. he adds a bit of informality and humor. Idra is the "bad guy" in the sc2 community that everyone joins together to either love him or hate him. its drama, and drama is great.

then again, this is TL, and it is your site, you're in control of the rules and etc.
so w/e.


theres a difference between good, "mature" BM/trolling and "LOLITROLEYOU"


EDIT: that being said, TL is a very well maintained Forum. so i dont know what to take on it tobehonest.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
May 08 2011 01:52 GMT
#1066
On May 08 2011 08:12 Foogs wrote:
I hope you're happy with yourself Chill/Nazgul. Off to well played.


I don't know what you'll find there, but good luck. I doubt 100% it's remotely close to what we have here, communitywise.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
br0fivE
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada349 Posts
May 08 2011 01:52 GMT
#1067
idra has no class. well deserved but frankly it should of been a perma ban.

He's a good player, but hes a child with a temper thats really annoying for the mature audiance.
pat965
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada274 Posts
May 08 2011 01:53 GMT
#1068
Takes attention away from that Razer whatever stuff that happened
hi
Az0r_au
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia385 Posts
May 08 2011 01:53 GMT
#1069
On May 08 2011 10:49 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 10:47 Az0r_au wrote:
On May 08 2011 10:45 zeru wrote:
On May 08 2011 10:43 Az0r_au wrote:
On May 08 2011 10:38 zeru wrote:
On May 08 2011 10:36 Az0r_au wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 08 2011 10:23 mahnini wrote:
what people are forgetting is that TL has high standards for the conduct of their users. due to the explosion of new users and lack of sufficient manpower to moderate a lot of people think TL is just some forum where you can post whatever you feel like with no repercussions. that couldn't be anywhere further from the truth.

this is going to sound super elitist but i don't care because it's the truth. TL is one of the foundations for why sc2 is the way it is today. TL is one of the reasons western esports even stands a chance. for 10 years through thick and thin our little community kept cranking out coverage of a video game from across the world that many have heard of but few truly understood. all the mods and staff you see aren't here doing it for the money or power, they do it because they love the game and the community. hot_bid, chill, kennigit? they all started as regular users who browsed the forum and loved the game. through contributions to the site and dedication they were selected to be among the proud few who could call themselves TL staff.

think about how easy it is today for you to get a stream to watch sc2 and remember that back in 2005 TL members would stay up till 2am on irc hoping that one of our members MAYBE could get their hands on a korean stream. remember that when WCG had no idea what TL was or how to get a proper caster TL's support and encouragement helped propel tasteless to caster fame.

TLPD? possibly the most comprehensive starcraft database in existence? made from the ground up by TL staff and volunteers. our strategy forums are probably the most informative english resources in the world, they have to be moderated and still we don't consider them to be perfect. articles, fpvods, commentaries? our users put their heart and soul into churning these out because they knew somewhere out there in our community there was someone who would appreciate it.

people need to stop considering TL a separate entity or some conglomerate of egotistic admins. TL is YOU. every single poster, viewer, or reader is part of TL. everything on this site is user generated by people who care and it's a damn shame when one of only sites that will literally take a stand for the community and uphold it's integrity is seen as some overzealous, overmoderated, egotistic, site for elitists.

if that's elitist then i'm an elitist and that's just how it is.



While I agree that previous TL members have made TL what it is today and you all deserve full credit for bringing your small community to the mainstream, main stream e-sports (atleast in NA) contains BM and smack talk. Try watching Halo or CoD, every frag is accompanied by an insult to the dead players mother or his sexuality. I feel that because of TL's beginnings as a tight nit community, the "old guard" has a very sheltered view and thin skinned view on manners in general. Sooner or later TL will have to deal with the fact that BM is a part of e-sports and a very entertaining part at that. Most casual viewers dont watch e-sports because they can appreciate the finer points of a 45 minute macro game. They watch it for their favourite players and their rivalries or to see people "get owned" etc.

The FPS communities as I know them are looked upon as shit compared to TL, same with the WoW community. I don't think that is what we want this to become.


I'm not saying we should emmulate those communities, but at the same time TL needs to realise the value of bm/rivalries to e-sports as a whole.

I don't see any value to what idra does. It's beyond bm. It's beyond personality. It's immaturity.


This is exactly what I talk about with being thin skinned. Calling someone a name on a forum is really not that note worthy in the world of gaming EXCEPT on teamliquid.

It's more too it than just bm, idra makes people think it's ok to act like him, those people come here, post like shit, are ignorant, and lower the quality of the community. I can't think of any other player that has this much effect on his fans.


EXACTLY!! Now you see my point. He's the most popular player in NA by a LARGE margin BECAUSE of the way he acts. You see how this is tying back in to my first post about how TL will eventually have to address BM as an issue?
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
May 08 2011 01:54 GMT
#1070
--- Nuked ---
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
May 08 2011 01:54 GMT
#1071
On May 08 2011 10:39 Wiseman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 10:23 mahnini wrote:
people need to stop considering TL a separate entity or some conglomerate of egotistic admins. TL is YOU. every single poster, viewer, or reader is part of TL. everything on this site is user generated by people who care and it's a damn shame when one of only sites that will literally take a stand for the community and uphold it's integrity is seen as some overzealous, overmoderated, egotistic, site for elitists.

if that's elitist then i'm an elitist and that's just how it is.

I think this ban of Idra has just provided a place where we can discuss the conflicts that have been occurring amongst eSports organizations recently. Please understand that there are new members of TL who love TL just as much as you guys who have been here for years.
I agree, and I think the biggest problem in the aftermath of the ban was the flood of people who simply didn't understand how to use TL. I think to get the most out of people, we expect (maybe 'hope' is a better word) that they'll lurk a bit and learn the system, instead of jumping right in and treating it like any other message board. Some of the bans in the stream threads are pretty obvious, but a lot are from people who just hadn't read the rules or the red text at the top, and couldn't figure out where the appropriate place is to discuss things.

This is a good thread for this kind of stuff, as is Website Feedback and the Automated Ban thread. It's not shutting up opinions (unless you're a truther, birther or so on) but rather wanting people to argue their points in a certain way in the appropriate place. The real life protest analogies always get me, since making a new thread or shitting up a Fanclub thread isn't like protesting on the steps of a legislative building. It's like protesting outside a grocery store, instead of taking it to the place where that type of protest is considered on-topic.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
askTeivospy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 01:56:17
May 08 2011 01:54 GMT
#1072
I actually want an honest answer, how can you feature streams where people use racial obscenities / antihomosexual remarks / just act stupid in general on one hand and then on the other say that what IdrA did (for the initial 2 day ban) is against Team Liquid. No offense, but just because you hand out bans / warnings doesn't mean that you guys aren't hypocrites

Monitor the featured and POLICE the feature streams because IMO those streams speak volumes of Teamliquid as well. Its hilarious when you have people saying things out loud that are worse than what you can read in IdrA's chat
hihihi
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
May 08 2011 01:55 GMT
#1073
On May 08 2011 10:39 stevarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 10:36 intrigue wrote:
On May 08 2011 10:33 stevarius wrote:
On May 08 2011 10:30 TurpinOS wrote:
On May 08 2011 10:25 stevarius wrote:
This is the only forum that I've *ever* seen go to this lengths to ban someone for breaking rules.

90 days? That's just ridiculous. Not a fan of the whole drama scenario and not a fan of how it was handled. With that said, I won't go to great lengths to show my discontent because I don't want to share in his punishment.


1. this should be considered a good thing, atlas a forum that has strict standards of moderations and that are followed

2. idra has been banned over 25 times on the site, ive rarely seen something like that on any forums, he should count himself as very lucky


When you consider how many posts he has and how long he's been on these forums, 25 is not really anything. It's like parking tickets over 30 years.

to fix your analogy: it's like he parks 4.46 times per day over a period of 7 years and still hits other cars


Parking your car is not the same every time and humans don't learn perfection from experience. In the case of posting, more posts will not make you more likely to care about the rules.

"Practice makes perfect."

IdrA has what, 11k posts on this site? By now, he should know the etiquette for posting and what behavior TL will not stand for.
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
Az0r_au
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia385 Posts
May 08 2011 01:55 GMT
#1074
On May 08 2011 10:54 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 10:53 Az0r_au wrote:
On May 08 2011 10:49 zeru wrote:
On May 08 2011 10:47 Az0r_au wrote:
On May 08 2011 10:45 zeru wrote:
On May 08 2011 10:43 Az0r_au wrote:
On May 08 2011 10:38 zeru wrote:
On May 08 2011 10:36 Az0r_au wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 08 2011 10:23 mahnini wrote:
what people are forgetting is that TL has high standards for the conduct of their users. due to the explosion of new users and lack of sufficient manpower to moderate a lot of people think TL is just some forum where you can post whatever you feel like with no repercussions. that couldn't be anywhere further from the truth.

this is going to sound super elitist but i don't care because it's the truth. TL is one of the foundations for why sc2 is the way it is today. TL is one of the reasons western esports even stands a chance. for 10 years through thick and thin our little community kept cranking out coverage of a video game from across the world that many have heard of but few truly understood. all the mods and staff you see aren't here doing it for the money or power, they do it because they love the game and the community. hot_bid, chill, kennigit? they all started as regular users who browsed the forum and loved the game. through contributions to the site and dedication they were selected to be among the proud few who could call themselves TL staff.

think about how easy it is today for you to get a stream to watch sc2 and remember that back in 2005 TL members would stay up till 2am on irc hoping that one of our members MAYBE could get their hands on a korean stream. remember that when WCG had no idea what TL was or how to get a proper caster TL's support and encouragement helped propel tasteless to caster fame.

TLPD? possibly the most comprehensive starcraft database in existence? made from the ground up by TL staff and volunteers. our strategy forums are probably the most informative english resources in the world, they have to be moderated and still we don't consider them to be perfect. articles, fpvods, commentaries? our users put their heart and soul into churning these out because they knew somewhere out there in our community there was someone who would appreciate it.

people need to stop considering TL a separate entity or some conglomerate of egotistic admins. TL is YOU. every single poster, viewer, or reader is part of TL. everything on this site is user generated by people who care and it's a damn shame when one of only sites that will literally take a stand for the community and uphold it's integrity is seen as some overzealous, overmoderated, egotistic, site for elitists.

if that's elitist then i'm an elitist and that's just how it is.



While I agree that previous TL members have made TL what it is today and you all deserve full credit for bringing your small community to the mainstream, main stream e-sports (atleast in NA) contains BM and smack talk. Try watching Halo or CoD, every frag is accompanied by an insult to the dead players mother or his sexuality. I feel that because of TL's beginnings as a tight nit community, the "old guard" has a very sheltered view and thin skinned view on manners in general. Sooner or later TL will have to deal with the fact that BM is a part of e-sports and a very entertaining part at that. Most casual viewers dont watch e-sports because they can appreciate the finer points of a 45 minute macro game. They watch it for their favourite players and their rivalries or to see people "get owned" etc.

The FPS communities as I know them are looked upon as shit compared to TL, same with the WoW community. I don't think that is what we want this to become.


I'm not saying we should emmulate those communities, but at the same time TL needs to realise the value of bm/rivalries to e-sports as a whole.

I don't see any value to what idra does. It's beyond bm. It's beyond personality. It's immaturity.


This is exactly what I talk about with being thin skinned. Calling someone a name on a forum is really not that note worthy in the world of gaming EXCEPT on teamliquid.

It's more too it than just bm, idra makes people think it's ok to act like him, those people come here, post like shit, are ignorant, and lower the quality of the community. I can't think of any other player that has this much effect on his fans.


EXACTLY!! Now you see my point. He's the most popular player in NA by a LARGE margin BECAUSE of the way he acts. You see how this is tying back in to my first post about how TL will eventually have to address BM as an issue?

Yes, he has the biggest immature fanbase. Not a good thing.


A fan is a fan when sponsors are concered...
Dhays9
Profile Joined May 2011
United States51 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 01:57:40
May 08 2011 01:55 GMT
#1075
On May 08 2011 10:41 keeblur wrote:
I don't understand how anyone can be a fan of this IdrA any more. He's just a bad mannered, stuck up little brat, who is delusional in thinking he can somehow get away with being a complete tool.


I know this is my first post but I have had no reason to post since coming to this site mid last year. IdrA will have fans because he is good. No matter what his personality is, he is a damn good player and that will gain him fans. Also, he gain fans because a lot of people who are being exposed (for the first time) to StarCraft 2 competitively do not know of any of the backstories or reputations of the pro and base who their favorite players are on who places well. As for me, you could say I am a fan of Idra, not because he places/plays well, but I like how he sticks to his beliefs and won't change just to make people happy.

Unfortunately, I see this as a very bad timing for this event to occur. This a critical point in the growth of professional gaming and this topic shows new comers the negativity of this community instead of the positivity that can come from visiting this site. I do feel that 90 day ban was unwarranted for not apologizing, however I did not witness the conversation IdrA had with the mods when he came back.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 08 2011 01:57 GMT
#1076
On May 08 2011 10:54 askTeivospy wrote:
I actually want an honest answer, how can you feature streams where people use racial obscenities / antihomosexual remarks / just act stupid in general on one hand and then on the other say that what IdrA did (for the initial 2 day ban) is against Team Liquid. No offense, but just because you hand out bans / warnings doesn't mean that you guys aren't hypocrites

Monitor the featured and POLICE the feature streams. Its hilarious when you have people speaking out loud worse than what you can read in IdrA's chat

idra didnt get banned for anything stream related though.
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zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-08 01:58:02
May 08 2011 01:57 GMT
#1077
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Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
May 08 2011 01:57 GMT
#1078
The funny thing about this is the publicity idra gets, it's amazingly funny.

Idra posts like 3 fucking times a week, and it is usually nothing important because there is no reason for him to post here. He gets banned and there is over 2000 posts on different forums about it.
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Drock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States305 Posts
May 08 2011 01:57 GMT
#1079
Man, reading through all the times that Idra has been banned and reading all the reasons, I am completely surprised he has not been perma-banned.

Am I a fan of Idra's play? Hell yes. Am I a fan of his teenager on xbox-live attitude? Hell no. He is the same age as me and he needs to swallow his pride and grow up a bit.
I kinda miss Idra...
Havefa1th
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States245 Posts
May 08 2011 01:58 GMT
#1080
Should have just resulted in a giant 3 person conversation with Chill, Idra and Cruncher. Instead we have this super public, super blown out of proportion ban cycle when there could have just been a giant roundtable to work out the personal issues.

Instead there just ends up being all this assuming of cheating, assuming of harassment, Idra talking to TL, Cruncher talking to TL... just being a huge ordeal when there just could have been a big skype call where Idra could call Cruncher mean names in person, Cruncher can laugh it off, Chill could tell everyone to grow up and we could all get over this super silly, 15 minute problem.

Blown WAY out of proportion. I agree that Idra had it coming, but this was the wrong straw to break the camel's back.
"Apparently I just needed to play the way I did... and realize he killed his own command center." - Idra
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