EPTIdra Banned for 90 Days - Page 54
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Hello, all! It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully. Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil. Thanks, Empyrean. Time stamp: 03:59 KST. | ||
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Toussre
United States11 Posts
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42x10
United States62 Posts
The fact is that over the last few years he's gone above and beyond what most people would call BM. In BW he often whined that terran was underpowered. He had no respect for his opponents and became kind of an anti-hero for it. Still, at that point he was almost charming. His humor was direct and quite funny "making carriers is a great talent toi have" is probably a line i'll remember until i'm senile. But lately he has been taking a much more hostile approach to his opponents. He has been more active in bm'ing and says quite insulting things about players that are his equals for no reason other than that they win, or lose. I think Idra is becoming a real monster, like a toddler who hasn't been reigned in enough. He thinks he has unlimited free reign of the site because of his competitive success, and this ban is a proverbial spanking that will hopefully make him realize that he can't act like an asshat on a site that goes out of it's way to prevent that type of stuff. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On May 08 2011 10:46 chameleonism wrote: The fact remains that Idra's comment on Twitter: and Nazgul's response: shows that the mods are assuming they knew Idra's intent. It makes complete sense for Idra to tell his fans to complain if they feel the ban was inappropriate and unwarranted as this site is supposed to promote 'fairness' and 'unbiased' attitudes. If certain people spammed Chill, that was their prerogative. Also, most people know that Idra can still stream but honestly, I can see how he would not want to after all these events. Yes, he is BM all the time but he also has a huge fan base. The mods are very short tempered with him and this is understandable considering his past. However, in this case the decision to ban him seems illogical in every aspect and is based on a huge assumption that he was actually trying to get people to abuse a moderator via PMs. Idra's Twitter post was actually very tame and well-thought out imo. He didn't say "F TL or SPAM CHILL." He actually tweeted an appropriate response for his fans to follow as a result of the ban. Are you really trying to say that IdrA didnt knew that people would be spamming Chill if he posted something like that?... you are either really naive, or completely blinded. | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On May 08 2011 10:46 chameleonism wrote: The fact remains that Idra's comment on Twitter: and Nazgul's response: shows that the mods are assuming they knew Idra's intent. It makes complete sense for Idra to tell his fans to complain if they feel the ban was inappropriate and unwarranted as this site is supposed to promote 'fairness' and 'unbiased' attitudes. If certain people spammed Chill, that was their prerogative. Also, most people know that Idra can still stream but honestly, I can see how he would not want to after all these events. Yes, he is BM all the time but he also has a huge fan base. The mods are very short tempered with him and this is understandable considering his past. However, in this case the decision to ban him seems illogical in every aspect and is based on a huge assumption that he was actually trying to get people to abuse a moderator via PMs. Idra's Twitter post was actually very tame and well-thought out imo. He didn't say "F TL or SPAM CHILL." He actually tweeted an appropriate response for his fans to follow as a result of the ban. On May 08 2011 10:47 qwaykee wrote: Why does this have 52 pages? 90% of Idras posts is just trolling or smacktalking. I dont see any reason for further discussion regarding his ban. I just dont get it. He will still talk shit and gather a crowd through tournaments, interviews and his stream. It is not TL's moderating that's wrong with this site, it is you people writing essays about shit like this that does not really matter at all. The real question is, why don't people read threads before posting in them so that they don't bring up issues and ask questions that have been answered to death? | ||
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Fir3fly
Australia251 Posts
1. he didn't tell his fans to spam him. thats just you putting a biased spin on something that seems pretty logical. "pm if you feel this is the wrong choice" etc. 2. Idra is known for BM. he adds a bit of informality and humor. Idra is the "bad guy" in the sc2 community that everyone joins together to either love him or hate him. its drama, and drama is great. then again, this is TL, and it is your site, you're in control of the rules and etc. so w/e. theres a difference between good, "mature" BM/trolling and "LOLITROLEYOU" EDIT: that being said, TL is a very well maintained Forum. so i dont know what to take on it tobehonest. | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:12 Foogs wrote: I hope you're happy with yourself Chill/Nazgul. Off to well played. I don't know what you'll find there, but good luck. I doubt 100% it's remotely close to what we have here, communitywise. | ||
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br0fivE
Canada349 Posts
He's a good player, but hes a child with a temper thats really annoying for the mature audiance. | ||
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pat965
Canada274 Posts
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Az0r_au
Australia385 Posts
On May 08 2011 10:49 zeru wrote: It's more too it than just bm, idra makes people think it's ok to act like him, those people come here, post like shit, are ignorant, and lower the quality of the community. I can't think of any other player that has this much effect on his fans. EXACTLY!! Now you see my point. He's the most popular player in NA by a LARGE margin BECAUSE of the way he acts. You see how this is tying back in to my first post about how TL will eventually have to address BM as an issue? | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 08 2011 10:39 Wiseman wrote: I agree, and I think the biggest problem in the aftermath of the ban was the flood of people who simply didn't understand how to use TL. I think to get the most out of people, we expect (maybe 'hope' is a better word) that they'll lurk a bit and learn the system, instead of jumping right in and treating it like any other message board. Some of the bans in the stream threads are pretty obvious, but a lot are from people who just hadn't read the rules or the red text at the top, and couldn't figure out where the appropriate place is to discuss things. I think this ban of Idra has just provided a place where we can discuss the conflicts that have been occurring amongst eSports organizations recently. Please understand that there are new members of TL who love TL just as much as you guys who have been here for years. This is a good thread for this kind of stuff, as is Website Feedback and the Automated Ban thread. It's not shutting up opinions (unless you're a truther, birther or so on) but rather wanting people to argue their points in a certain way in the appropriate place. The real life protest analogies always get me, since making a new thread or shitting up a Fanclub thread isn't like protesting on the steps of a legislative building. It's like protesting outside a grocery store, instead of taking it to the place where that type of protest is considered on-topic. | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
Monitor the featured and POLICE the feature streams because IMO those streams speak volumes of Teamliquid as well. Its hilarious when you have people saying things out loud that are worse than what you can read in IdrA's chat | ||
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
On May 08 2011 10:39 stevarius wrote: Parking your car is not the same every time and humans don't learn perfection from experience. In the case of posting, more posts will not make you more likely to care about the rules. "Practice makes perfect." IdrA has what, 11k posts on this site? By now, he should know the etiquette for posting and what behavior TL will not stand for. | ||
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Az0r_au
Australia385 Posts
On May 08 2011 10:54 zeru wrote: Yes, he has the biggest immature fanbase. Not a good thing. A fan is a fan when sponsors are concered... | ||
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Dhays9
United States51 Posts
On May 08 2011 10:41 keeblur wrote: I don't understand how anyone can be a fan of this IdrA any more. He's just a bad mannered, stuck up little brat, who is delusional in thinking he can somehow get away with being a complete tool. I know this is my first post but I have had no reason to post since coming to this site mid last year. IdrA will have fans because he is good. No matter what his personality is, he is a damn good player and that will gain him fans. Also, he gain fans because a lot of people who are being exposed (for the first time) to StarCraft 2 competitively do not know of any of the backstories or reputations of the pro and base who their favorite players are on who places well. As for me, you could say I am a fan of Idra, not because he places/plays well, but I like how he sticks to his beliefs and won't change just to make people happy. Unfortunately, I see this as a very bad timing for this event to occur. This a critical point in the growth of professional gaming and this topic shows new comers the negativity of this community instead of the positivity that can come from visiting this site. I do feel that 90 day ban was unwarranted for not apologizing, however I did not witness the conversation IdrA had with the mods when he came back. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 08 2011 10:54 askTeivospy wrote: I actually want an honest answer, how can you feature streams where people use racial obscenities / antihomosexual remarks / just act stupid in general on one hand and then on the other say that what IdrA did (for the initial 2 day ban) is against Team Liquid. No offense, but just because you hand out bans / warnings doesn't mean that you guys aren't hypocrites Monitor the featured and POLICE the feature streams. Its hilarious when you have people speaking out loud worse than what you can read in IdrA's chat idra didnt get banned for anything stream related though. | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
Idra posts like 3 fucking times a week, and it is usually nothing important because there is no reason for him to post here. He gets banned and there is over 2000 posts on different forums about it. | ||
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Drock
United States305 Posts
Am I a fan of Idra's play? Hell yes. Am I a fan of his teenager on xbox-live attitude? Hell no. He is the same age as me and he needs to swallow his pride and grow up a bit. | ||
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Havefa1th
United States245 Posts
Instead there just ends up being all this assuming of cheating, assuming of harassment, Idra talking to TL, Cruncher talking to TL... just being a huge ordeal when there just could have been a big skype call where Idra could call Cruncher mean names in person, Cruncher can laugh it off, Chill could tell everyone to grow up and we could all get over this super silly, 15 minute problem. Blown WAY out of proportion. I agree that Idra had it coming, but this was the wrong straw to break the camel's back. | ||
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