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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
Thanks,
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I am mostly a forum lurker, but I feel the need on this occasion to express my support for Team Liquid and it's staff.
I think Team Liquid has been more than fair in their dealings with IdrA in the past. Having read IdrA's previous ban log there is no doubt that anyone else with the same record would have absolutely been perma-banned by now. They haven't resorted to that because he is such a prominent figure in the professional scene. It sounds like Team Liquid took a very professional approach and tried to address the situation outside of the forums and although IdrA may not have expressly said "Go harass Chill," I feel like his intentions were pretty transparent. The sentiment there was "I was treated unfairly, if you agree with me go bother the person who did this to me." IdrA has a massive fan base, and I think his intent was clear with that Twitter post. That kind of inflammatory reaction is completely inappropriate, unprofessional and detrimental to the community.
I think this whole situation is really unfortunate for the community as a whole and I would be interested to see if Team EG is at all concerned about this. I totally understand the appeal behind "speaking your mind" and creating drama within the scene, I mean, I like a little drama just as much as the next nerd, but I think IdrA totally crossed the line and Team Liquid responded appropriately. I know IdrA is a fantastic player and has the right to be critical of other players and their skill, but he is a "professional" and as such should be concerned about how he represents himself and his team.
Well handled TL & Co.
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you guys are only jelly cause idra > TL, maybe with the exception of Chinro
User was banned for this post.
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TL's triggerhappy mods at it again. Mildly amusing to follow. Incidentally I had no idea he was banned for a whole month this year and that pretty much proves how little effect this has.
Even if Idra *did* get permabanned from the site, what would change? He hardly posts anything important and could just continue playing, and people would still talk about him all the time. It's not like people are going to ignore the most successful foreigner, even if he acts like an ass.
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On May 08 2011 08:42 Siphyo wrote:
Idra posts 'will not be streaming' (because he is upset). Why do you keep explaining that as 'cannot stream' (because he is banned)? When did will and can start having the same meaning? He simply pointed out that if someone disagrees with a ban, they can PM the concerning admin about it. Isn't this true? Surely it's not very mature to play it this way, and therefor a ban is justified. But I don't understand why there is so much effort in pointing out there is no bias, right when you are using bias.
wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you
This reads that Idra wont be streaming for two days as he's been banned from TL. It's written so that him not streaming is directly linked to the ban on TL. Stop being so defensive towards your hero.
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On May 08 2011 08:44 teve wrote:
I think it's pretty sad how Cruncher was able to so blatantly BM Idra in the third set of their game in the TeamLiquid Star League, and mock Idra's fans in his fan club, without receiving any sort of punishment. While Idra gets crucified for saying that "he's a waste of life".
It's quite hypocritical to take such an aggressive stance against one of the two parties. I realize that Idra has received a lot of warnings already, if not too many, but how is this in any way fair? I hardly believe Cruncher took Idras remark very seriously, I bet you if anything he laughed and felt sorry for Idra.
This is the internet, people don't get hurt by forum posts. What's the point of making this forum a safe haven for insults?
Since when is a smiley face considered blatant BM? I think your definition of BM needs some reworking. A smiley face compared to someone calling another a "waste of life" is quite a drastic difference.
Oh and by the way, that smiley face that Idra received was well deserved because from pictures that Cruncher took in the lobby, Idra was being completely childish as usual.
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Why is a mod getting PMs a terrible thing?
Is that not why they have that feature?
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On May 08 2011 08:49 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:47 Fatalize wrote:CrunCher BMed IdrA in the third game of the TSL with his "  " He wasnt banned. Why is that ? Probably because a smiley face isnt really BM compared to the things idra said to cruncher between those games.
It is BM, the severity is irrelevant in a sense. Cruncher still reacted to Idra just like Idra reacted to cruncher with the stream incident. It's not like either one is trying to be the good guy.
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On May 08 2011 08:47 Fatalize wrote:CrunCher BMed IdrA in the third game of the TSL with his " " He wasnt banned. Why is that ?
And Idra was bm'ing the hell outta Cruncher between games and didn't get banned for it either...
I really am starting to wonder if Idra is the overmind because it seems he has control over what his fans think (or lack thereof).
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Tbh i feel like TL is a bit to nice to Idra. But i don't need to voice everything i think, because it has been by the people before me.
And its not like it is the first time, that Idra has insulted or "attacked" staff of TL.net
The people thinking, that this will have any ramifications from EG or NASL are thinking rather strange. Idra is not acting on bahalfe of EG on TL.net but rather as a private person. And the direct connection between Idra and NASL still needs to be explained to me.
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On May 08 2011 08:43 Kassploj wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:40 NightAngel wrote:On May 08 2011 07:51 Klogon wrote:First of all, if Cruncher is proven to have cheated, we will take action. We have no problem taking action against even the most high profile of players (ex. Dimaga and TSL2/3) but try to do so with careful deliberation. Please do not think our actions here are simply us spitefully swinging a banhammer. You'd be surprised by the pages of discussions we have of actions that involve high-profile community members, Idra included. Also, regarding the "harassing". On May 08 2011 07:05 Karthane wrote:
I don't necessarily think he was encouraging people to "harrass" them. He just said if you have a problem with it message Chill. Whatever though, in the end i think it's better to have IdrA here, streaming on TL. Brings more people here. Hell, he even got 20k to watch Sotg. On May 08 2011 07:20 Mysticvoid wrote:
I feel the 2 day ban was justified. Calling someone a waste a life is pretty low and should be punished. All fine and dandy, what I am not ok with is punishing someone for something they said outside of the forums. Idra didn't tell anyone to harass Chill, Idra said and I quote "wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you." Yes he did tell his fans to PM Chill, did he tell them to insult him or harass him? No he didnt and I'm sorry but if mods can't handle getting PMs from people maybe they should reconsider being mods.
Idra on his twitter tried to imply that by being banned, he could no longer stream. That was false. And if we assume he knew it was also false (he probably did), we can then assume that he was maliciously misleading his thousands of twitter followers into a rage against Chill. Thus I think it is fair to say Idra did encourage his fans to go harass Chill. But can you PROVE it? I am very confused by all of the hypocrisy being shown as of late. I completely understand the need for direct and unwavering evidence, but I don't agree with taking action in one circumstance without proof and not so in another. Do you want logs from IdrA's mind at the time of his writing the post on Twitter, or what's the deal? There is no way of physically proving what IdrA's intentions were when writing the post, but to anyone applying common sense it is obvious.
I am sure that the same thing could be applied to the Cruncher cheating accusation. You only wish yo apply common sense to IdrA's actions, and not Cruncher's though. Why?
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On May 08 2011 08:45 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:42 TheRhox wrote:On May 08 2011 08:38 FallDownMarigold wrote:
That's absurd. Like it or now, I'm expressing my opinion without cussing or belittling anyone...just..wow. There goes the most skilled and entertaining streamer, le sigh Don't blame TL, all this means is that he just can't post on the forums for 90 days (as if he ever had any useful posts to begin with).. If he's not going to stream anymore, that's on his own volition. Who said I'm blaming TL? I'm stating the objective fact that it's absurd that somebody got banned from an online forum board for 90 days for something that did not occur on the board in question. Sounds to me like a bunch of side-personal issues between various people.
If I were to launch a DDoS attack on TL. Then TL can't ban me since it didn't happen on the board in question? What happened just now was that a staff member of TL got harassed due to an action of a member of the site.
This member then got approached by staff and asked if it was intentional and if he meant to do that. It then seems like he meant to do it, resulting in a 90 day ban.
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So far what I'm getting from this whole thing is: Idra pretty much just said "i don't care its a ladder game, don't give cruncher more attention than he deserves" and gets 2 day ban, ok questionable decision but whatever, only 2 day ban. Then Idra put something up on twitter that most normal people should've taken as a joke since only dumb people would actually go ahead and spam Chill for something like this, lol Idra isn't holding a gun to these people's heads and telling them to spam but apparently idiots did spam chill, probably the retarded portion of Idra fans and antifans lookin to get Idra into more trouble.
IMO, everyone who spammed chill should be temp banned or whatever...but the 90 day ban on Idra might be a little too much, I don't know.
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On May 08 2011 08:50 enexiss wrote:
Why is a mod getting PMs a terrible thing?
Is that not why they have that feature?
you know you are getting too many PMs when replying to them all triggers a PM spam detector
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What is wrong with you idiots going on about Cruncher. Who gives a fuck about cheating on a stream in a random ladder game? Are you people dense? What has it got to do with TL at all, it means NOTHING. Him and Cruncher can have their little slap-fight off the site and all of you people who care so hard about it should leave as well. Jesus this is stupid.
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On May 08 2011 08:49 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:47 Fatalize wrote:CrunCher BMed IdrA in the third game of the TSL with his " " He wasnt banned. Why is that ? Probably because a smiley face isnt really BM compared to the things idra said to cruncher between those games.
If we follow TL's rule to ban for things that dont even happen on the forum, CrunCher and IdrA should have been banned after that serie.
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On May 08 2011 08:48 Thobrik wrote:
I really think Idra's tweet is a question of semantics. I don't have the exact quote, but I believe he said "If you're upset with Chill's decision, pm him". This would have entirely different connotations had he replaced the word "upset" with "confused", "discontent", or just said "if you have any questions" instead.
The way he puts it he basically encourages everyone who felt agitated at the time to send non-constructive pm's about how they felt. This can of course easily be interpreted as spamming.
This I feel justifies the decision to ban Idra. I'm not versed enough in the whole CrunCher situation to comment on that.
Well, the exact text is (as already quoted before in this thread):
wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you
The wording means: If you are upset about me not streaming, pm chill.
Since the ban has no influence on his streaming, the post is misleading and he never corrected it.
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On May 08 2011 08:46 BurningSera wrote:
ok...so idra said:
'everyone pm Chill if this upsets you'
automatically equals to
'idra encouraged his fans, through twitter, to harass and spam him on TL.'?
i fully understand that this is TL's sc2 forum, and you guys have the absolute power, but cant you guys settle things with a warmer method?? at least use some less provoking methods so that you dont cause more rages/angst from people/fans??
if you look at the whole thing, nobody is a winner.
This has been said 1000 time but:
IdrA was approached by the mods and said he had no regrets or an apology to give. So do you still think he did not intend for people to spam Chill?
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On May 08 2011 08:50 enexiss wrote:
Why is a mod getting PMs a terrible thing?
Is that not why they have that feature?
They are busy and they are volunteers, they don't have time do read through hundreds of useless PMs of people whining and moaning about something they read on twitter.
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Does idra know he can probably make his own forum and we can all just migrate there!?
Then TL wont have any problems with idRa or his stream.
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