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Hello, all!
It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.
Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.
Thanks,
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On May 08 2011 08:29 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:24 Bao wrote:
So people voice their disagreement with the mods and get warned/temp banned for their post? I really don't understand what is going on here. gotta clean this place. im all for freedom of expressing opinions, but im not for purposeful ignorance and stupidity, and that's pretty much the only thing so many of these people are bringing to the table. honestly they are lucky they just straight up don't get banned. there was a time when people were banned much more whimsically for displaying stupidity.
This man deserves to wield the mighty ban hammer 
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This will probably hurt TL more than idra. Having him and other pros post here probably draws quite a few people. But TL can't really take ppl spamming them. I worry he might not come back after the 90 days. 90 days too long
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On May 08 2011 08:40 Loanshark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:35 Wiseman wrote:On May 08 2011 08:13 Mayor wrote:
Sigh, it's time for IdrA to grow up. Maybe its time for eSports to grow up? One competitor insulting another that they don't like after they intentionally did something to upset them? I'm sorry I don't see any real sport having a problem with competitors not liking each other to the point of insulting one another. I believe its called gamesmanship. It's just Idra, have you seen any other player do shit like this?
CombatEX sends his regards.
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On May 08 2011 08:38 FallDownMarigold wrote:
That's absurd. Like it or now, I'm expressing my opinion without cussing or belittling anyone...just..wow. There goes the most skilled and entertaining streamer, le sigh
Don't blame TL, all this means is that he just can't post on the forums for 90 days (as if he ever had any useful posts to begin with).. If he's not going to stream anymore, that's on his own volition.
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On May 08 2011 07:51 Klogon wrote:Idra on his twitter tried to imply that by being banned, he could no longer stream. That was false. And if we assume he knew it was also false (he probably did), we can then assume that he was maliciously misleading his thousands of twitter followers into a rage against Chill. Thus I think it is fair to say Idra did encourage his fans to go harass Chill.
I like that whenever Crunchers behavior comes up, nothing can be done because it can't be proven that he was watching the stream that he had open during the game. But when it comes to Idra's behavior, suddenly there ís the possibility to undertake action, based on assumptions?
Cruncher finds joy in taunting Idra whenever he sees the opportunity. When he does it in a 'fair' way ( ) it's fine, but when he does it by cheating it's far worse than any of Idra's reactions to it.
On May 08 2011 08:03 KwarK wrote:I don't see how it's relevant. Idra reacted to a moderator acting within his rights by telling his minions that he couldn't stream because of the ban (not true) and to harass the mod about it instead of using the website feedback forum. This is a punishment for that, like a red card for a footballer who starts insulting the ref.
Idra posts 'will not be streaming' (because he is upset). Why do you keep explaining that as 'cannot stream' (because he is banned)? When did will and can start having the same meaning? He simply pointed out that if someone disagrees with a ban, they can PM the concerning admin about it. Isn't this true? Surely it's not very mature to play it this way, and therefor a ban is justified. But I don't understand why there is so much effort in pointing out there is no bias, right when you are using bias.
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On May 08 2011 08:40 NightAngel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 07:51 Klogon wrote:First of all, if Cruncher is proven to have cheated, we will take action. We have no problem taking action against even the most high profile of players (ex. Dimaga and TSL2/3) but try to do so with careful deliberation. Please do not think our actions here are simply us spitefully swinging a banhammer. You'd be surprised by the pages of discussions we have of actions that involve high-profile community members, Idra included. Also, regarding the "harassing". On May 08 2011 07:05 Karthane wrote:
I don't necessarily think he was encouraging people to "harrass" them. He just said if you have a problem with it message Chill. Whatever though, in the end i think it's better to have IdrA here, streaming on TL. Brings more people here. Hell, he even got 20k to watch Sotg. On May 08 2011 07:20 Mysticvoid wrote:
I feel the 2 day ban was justified. Calling someone a waste a life is pretty low and should be punished. All fine and dandy, what I am not ok with is punishing someone for something they said outside of the forums. Idra didn't tell anyone to harass Chill, Idra said and I quote "wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you." Yes he did tell his fans to PM Chill, did he tell them to insult him or harass him? No he didnt and I'm sorry but if mods can't handle getting PMs from people maybe they should reconsider being mods.
Idra on his twitter tried to imply that by being banned, he could no longer stream. That was false. And if we assume he knew it was also false (he probably did), we can then assume that he was maliciously misleading his thousands of twitter followers into a rage against Chill. Thus I think it is fair to say Idra did encourage his fans to go harass Chill. But can you PROVE it? I am very confused by all of the hypocrisy being shown as of late. I completely understand the need for direct and unwavering evidence, but I don't agree with taking action in one circumstance without proof and not so in another.
Do you want logs from IdrA's mind at the time of his writing the post on Twitter, or what's the deal? There is no way of physically proving what IdrA's intentions were when writing the post, but to anyone applying common sense it is obvious.
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That's not much actually.
Assuming that he has over 20k fans out there or may be even more.
Because of this 178 people, accusing the other ones as stupid is pretty silly.
I kind of agree with this ban but I also think that 90 days is quite a lot for this kind of issue.
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TL has jumped the shark.... like many great organizations it is killing itself by the rules that it makes and the individuals ego with some "power"
I've always considered myself at TL fan... even a proud t-shirt wearer..... but no more. I've been banned 3 times for basically not showing enough deference, and this is Idra's sin as well.
I choose Idra!
Fight the power!
User was temp banned for this post.
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On May 08 2011 06:46 hugman wrote:
I wish he'd grow up
Yeah definetly.
He really acts not professional...
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Who the fuck cares if someone calls you a waste of life... But i guess Chill thought it was a perfect opportunity to get some attention, Like 95% of the mods on these forums do. I can browse this forum all day long and laugh of how bad the mods decision making making are, its quite hilarious.
Why are people so fucking sensitive and emotional
User was banned for this post.
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On May 08 2011 08:30 Sprungjeezy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:18 Qzy wrote:
TL has some balls to ban him 90 days.
What if EG + NASL turns against TL? TL just threw the first stone, bad bad idea. Never bite the hand, which feeds you. NASL would not turn on TL, EG would not turn on TL. TL is the biggest SC site outside of China (according to Tastosis, even if this isn't true its pretty fucking big) I would wager to say that a pretty large sum of people watch NASL only because TL has information on it. As for EG, I don't believe any gaming team has or would ever fight over a ban, especially such a large part of foundation in SC2 e-sports. Sir TL is the hand that feeds, you're a fool if you think TL is getting more members than they get fans/viewers
Yup, you are right, i wouldnt watch NASL if it werent for the TL links!
gomtv is a whole nother story
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The 90 day ban isn't out of place, and to be honest, I laughed my ass off at the ban long. What he did to chill was purposely getting his PM box flooded, which is obviously not the right way to go about getting the(unjustified though) ban.
What I'm surprised about far more is that Cruncher didn't get banned. A very, very fishy picture of him streamhacking to beat idra, trolling far more blatantly and insultingly - but without using swear words - and actually going into idra's fanclub thread in order to shit on all his fans. What did Cruncher get? Told to edit his post. Idra uses a derogatory term, and he gets 2 days? Why didn't Cruncher get 2 weeks?
Again, Idra breaks the rules often. And yeah, the "leeway" system for older/popular users is the only reason he never got permabanned. It's just that this time, someone else broke the rules far more blatantly than Idra and didn't get punished, so it feels like it's extremely out of place for Idra to have gotten those 2 days. His response to those 2 days certainly justified a longer ban, but I think the TL moderation staff should also take a much more critical look at how childish and spiteful cruncher behaved, which, despite Idra's free use of "bad language" was far more trolling/mean and completely going against the rules. Idra called on his fans to ignore cruncher by calling him a waste of life.
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On May 08 2011 08:43 Kassploj wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:40 NightAngel wrote:On May 08 2011 07:51 Klogon wrote:First of all, if Cruncher is proven to have cheated, we will take action. We have no problem taking action against even the most high profile of players (ex. Dimaga and TSL2/3) but try to do so with careful deliberation. Please do not think our actions here are simply us spitefully swinging a banhammer. You'd be surprised by the pages of discussions we have of actions that involve high-profile community members, Idra included. Also, regarding the "harassing". On May 08 2011 07:05 Karthane wrote:
I don't necessarily think he was encouraging people to "harrass" them. He just said if you have a problem with it message Chill. Whatever though, in the end i think it's better to have IdrA here, streaming on TL. Brings more people here. Hell, he even got 20k to watch Sotg. On May 08 2011 07:20 Mysticvoid wrote:
I feel the 2 day ban was justified. Calling someone a waste a life is pretty low and should be punished. All fine and dandy, what I am not ok with is punishing someone for something they said outside of the forums. Idra didn't tell anyone to harass Chill, Idra said and I quote "wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you." Yes he did tell his fans to PM Chill, did he tell them to insult him or harass him? No he didnt and I'm sorry but if mods can't handle getting PMs from people maybe they should reconsider being mods.
Idra on his twitter tried to imply that by being banned, he could no longer stream. That was false. And if we assume he knew it was also false (he probably did), we can then assume that he was maliciously misleading his thousands of twitter followers into a rage against Chill. Thus I think it is fair to say Idra did encourage his fans to go harass Chill. But can you PROVE it? I am very confused by all of the hypocrisy being shown as of late. I completely understand the need for direct and unwavering evidence, but I don't agree with taking action in one circumstance without proof and not so in another. Do you want logs from IdrA's mind at the time of his writing the post on Twitter, or what's the deal? There is no way of physically proving what IdrA's intentions were when writing the post, but to anyone applying common sense it is obvious.
Cruncher was approached and denied cheating.
IdrA was approached and did not deny anything and stated he did not regret anything.
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On May 08 2011 08:43 Kassploj wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2011 08:40 NightAngel wrote:On May 08 2011 07:51 Klogon wrote:First of all, if Cruncher is proven to have cheated, we will take action. We have no problem taking action against even the most high profile of players (ex. Dimaga and TSL2/3) but try to do so with careful deliberation. Please do not think our actions here are simply us spitefully swinging a banhammer. You'd be surprised by the pages of discussions we have of actions that involve high-profile community members, Idra included. Also, regarding the "harassing". On May 08 2011 07:05 Karthane wrote:
I don't necessarily think he was encouraging people to "harrass" them. He just said if you have a problem with it message Chill. Whatever though, in the end i think it's better to have IdrA here, streaming on TL. Brings more people here. Hell, he even got 20k to watch Sotg. On May 08 2011 07:20 Mysticvoid wrote:
I feel the 2 day ban was justified. Calling someone a waste a life is pretty low and should be punished. All fine and dandy, what I am not ok with is punishing someone for something they said outside of the forums. Idra didn't tell anyone to harass Chill, Idra said and I quote "wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you." Yes he did tell his fans to PM Chill, did he tell them to insult him or harass him? No he didnt and I'm sorry but if mods can't handle getting PMs from people maybe they should reconsider being mods.
Idra on his twitter tried to imply that by being banned, he could no longer stream. That was false. And if we assume he knew it was also false (he probably did), we can then assume that he was maliciously misleading his thousands of twitter followers into a rage against Chill. Thus I think it is fair to say Idra did encourage his fans to go harass Chill. But can you PROVE it? I am very confused by all of the hypocrisy being shown as of late. I completely understand the need for direct and unwavering evidence, but I don't agree with taking action in one circumstance without proof and not so in another. Do you want logs from IdrA's mind at the time of his writing the post on Twitter, or what's the deal? There is no way of physically proving what IdrA's intentions were when writing the post, but to anyone applying common sense it is obvious.
That's the point he's making. all this crap started with the so called cheating of cruncher, wich can't be proven, exactly like you can't prove what goes on inside idra's head...
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On May 08 2011 08:43 Invoker wrote:
That's not much actually.
Assuming that he has over 20k fans out there or may be even more.
Because of this 178 people, accusing the other ones as stupid is pretty silly.
I kind of agree with this ban but I also think that 90 days is quite a lot for this kind of issue.
For the 1st time offense it would be a lot yeah, but i guess that this episode was the last drop for TL and they slapped on a 90 day ban. Bummer.
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I think it's pretty sad how Cruncher was able to so blatantly BM Idra in the third set of their game in the TeamLiquid Star League, and mock Idra's fans in his fan club, without receiving any sort of punishment. While Idra gets crucified for saying that "he's a waste of life".
It's quite hypocritical to take such an aggressive stance against one of the two parties. I realize that Idra has received a lot of warnings already, if not too many, but how is this in any way fair? I hardly believe Cruncher took Idras remark very seriously, I bet you if anything he laughed and felt sorry for Idra.
This is the internet, people don't get hurt by forum posts. What's the point of making this forum a safe haven for insults?
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I don't really think it's worth banning for him insulting cruncher, but it's pretty understandable that he got this ban after his reaction. Really though, idra does what idra wants and no amount of bans is gonna change his attitude.
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On May 08 2011 08:43 Wnatz wrote:
Who the fuck cares if someone calls you a waste of life... But i guess Chill thought it was a perfect opportunity to get some attention, Like 95% of the mods on these forums do. I can browse this forum all day long and laugh of how bad the mods decision making making are, its quite hilarious.
Why are people so fucking sensitive and emotional
The internet is all truth and 0% lies. Nothing is distorted on the internet.
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On May 08 2011 08:43 Wnatz wrote:
Who the fuck cares if someone calls you a waste of life... But i guess Chill thought it was a perfect opportunity to get some attention, Like 95% of the mods on these forums do. I can browse this forum all day long and laugh of how bad the mods decision making making are, its quite hilarious.
Why are people so fucking sensitive and emotional
Am I the only one who sees the irony in posts like this?
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