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Hello, all! It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully. Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil. Thanks, Empyrean. Time stamp: 03:59 KST. | ||
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TheRhox
Canada868 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:36 meep wrote: we're only assuming that he means to spam/harass. just like we're assuming cruncher cheated (or did not). What it resulted in is what's important. And I'm sure he knew the consequences of that tweet | ||
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chameleonism
United States31 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:36 meep wrote: we're only assuming that he means to spam/harass. just like we're assuming cruncher cheated (or did not). So, are you saying that assuming things about Idra is banworthy but assuming things about Cruncher is not? Interesting. I would think that both players should be given the benefit of the doubt. | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:36 Datum wrote: I'm not sure whether IdrA intended his request to PM Chill to be a form of harrassment or gentle protest and support. That being said, I think the TL staff did a reasonable thing given that they believed IdrA was encouraging harrassment. It doesn't impair his ability to stream or generate fans, it simply takes away his ability to post on the forums and be rude. However, I am a huge IdrA fan, so from my point of view this is quite a shame. I think that the fact that he explicitly stated that he chose not to stream for a few days because of it gives it the edge of harassment (you can go back a little bit for my exact quote of what his tweet was). | ||
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Leavzou
France156 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:36 meep wrote: we're only assuming that he means to spam/harass. just like we're assuming cruncher cheated (or did not). This. All this sh*t is happening because of assumptions, so let's assume together. | ||
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TheRhox
Canada868 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:37 badDogma wrote: This is great! I'm going to throw a party tonight to celebrate the banning, and at midnight we will all burn an effigy of idra. In related news, this is going to be like miracle-grow for the SotG viewership this week. But seriously, I wish it was a perma-ban, but I'll tale what I can get. He's bad for the credibility of the sport and should be exiled imo. I can't wait for SotG | ||
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zeru
8156 Posts
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Skvid
Lithuania751 Posts
Anyway, really crappy timing on a 90 day ban, i was enjoying his streams with commentary a lot. Now i can't help but to feel pissed about cruncher because i see him as a catalyst that started the ball rolling. I know that's a wrong way to look at this situation but that's how i see it now :C | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
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Yurie
11849 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:35 Wiseman wrote: Maybe its time for eSports to grow up? One competitor insulting another that they don't like after they intentionally did something to upset them? I'm sorry I don't see any real sport having a problem with competitors not liking each other to the point of insulting one another. I believe its called gamesmanship. They can hate each other. They can even punch each other when they meet up. TL won't likely do anything about that. When they use the public portion of the site for it though they enter the rule framework. Those rules don't consider if you are insulting an opponent or a random player. You insulted another period, you broke the rule, end of line. | ||
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Citrone
Germany14 Posts
On May 08 2011 06:59 ReachTheSky wrote: Can't agreed more with this ban. However, I think allowing his stream to still be listed is a mistake ;/. I think banning his stream for 90 days as well would make him think twice about misconduct. I don't know what your were thinking while typing this post. You do realise that he is not (primarily) streaming for his own profit right? Observing his decision making has helped me greatly develop my own gameplay. The mods are trying to approach this case in positive fashion to bring forth a solution which is satisfactory for everyone. I agree that such harsh words are absolutely inappropriate but nevertheless, I would like to know why ghosting streams of people who try to educate the masses isn't seen as a violation of TL rules. Insulting people in forums is prohibited, yet passively insulting them by spying on streams, essentially shitting on everything that could be considered sportmansship is okay. Just look at the games Idra played against cruncher and you'll see what I mean... You can bet that the day Idra closes his stream for whatever reason will be a sad day for me. just my 2 cents -C | ||
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Leavzou
France156 Posts
You can ban him if you want, and if it make you think you have power over him... | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:37 badDogma wrote: This is great! I'm going to throw a party tonight to celebrate the banning, and at midnight we will all burn an effigy of idra. In related news, this is going to be like miracle-grow for the SotG viewership this week. But seriously, I wish it was a perma-ban, but I'll take what I can get. He's bad for the credibility of the sport and should be exiled imo. I doubt SotG will pass the 20k IDRA helped them achieve. | ||
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NightAngel
United States144 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:51 Klogon wrote: First of all, if Cruncher is proven to have cheated, we will take action. We have no problem taking action against even the most high profile of players (ex. Dimaga and TSL2/3) but try to do so with careful deliberation. Please do not think our actions here are simply us spitefully swinging a banhammer. You'd be surprised by the pages of discussions we have of actions that involve high-profile community members, Idra included. Also, regarding the "harassing". Idra on his twitter tried to imply that by being banned, he could no longer stream. That was false. And if we assume he knew it was also false (he probably did), we can then assume that he was maliciously misleading his thousands of twitter followers into a rage against Chill. Thus I think it is fair to say Idra did encourage his fans to go harass Chill. But can you PROVE it? I am very confused by all of the hypocrisy being shown as of late. I completely understand the need for direct and unwavering evidence, but I don't agree with taking action in one circumstance without proof and not so in another. | ||
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Tilorn
Serbia75 Posts
Hell, he should've gotten it a long time ago (I know everyone else would) On a side note, can someone please PM me the detais of the Dimaga and the "others" banned from the TSL2/3? I seem to have missed that whole thing. | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:35 Wiseman wrote: Maybe its time for eSports to grow up? One competitor insulting another that they don't like after they intentionally did something to upset them? I'm sorry I don't see any real sport having a problem with competitors not liking each other to the point of insulting one another. I believe its called gamesmanship. It's just Idra, have you seen any other player do shit like this? | ||
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MechaCthulhu
United States136 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:38 Skvid wrote: TL should put him on a "special list" where all of his posts would get supervised and accepted/denied before seeing the light of day >_< Anyway, really crappy timing on a 90 day ban, i was enjoying his streams with commentary a lot. Now i can't help but to feel pissed about cruncher because i see him as a catalyst that started the ball rolling. I know that's a wrong way to look at this situation but that's how i see it now :C Nothing Cruncher or TL has done stopped Idra from streaming and commentating. Idra stopped of his own volition. | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
He is still a great player tho so he has that going for him. | ||
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Carnagath
230 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:36 meep wrote: we're only assuming that he means to spam/harass. just like we're assuming cruncher cheated (or did not). No, we are not assuming it. Idra wasn't going to stream for several days anyway because he'll be commentating NASL. He said that himself. Then he tweats that he won't be streaming because of the ban. Those two are a bit contradictory, yes? So obviously the second statement is a lie and he only said that to stir shit and get people to harass Chill. | ||
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meep
United States1699 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:37 chameleonism wrote: So, are you saying that assuming things about Idra is banworthy but assuming things about Cruncher is not? Interesting. I would think that both players should be given the benefit of the doubt. I'm saying we're basing everything off assumptions, while one guy is taking the heat and the other does not. | ||
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