EPTIdra Banned for 90 Days - Page 28
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Hello, all! It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully. Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil. Thanks, Empyrean. Time stamp: 03:59 KST. | ||
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Strivers
United States358 Posts
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coddan
Estonia890 Posts
Maybe that EG has nothing to do with NASL and NASL has no reason to do anything to Team Liquid? Jesus, some people. | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:23 Belial88 wrote: I find it very surreal that people like Hot_Bid or Chill are casting games of Idra, you know, like he's just another player, they may even say he's amazing. And then this kind of drama, which clearly has been going on for a while, shows there is a HUGE history with a lot of TL admins and casters, and not only that, but probably a large amount of animosity - of Idra having little respect for people like Chill and some of the TL players (I know he respects some, like Jinro), while Chill and some of the TL casters probably really disliking Idra, thinking he's immature, whiney, and a brat. I mean don't get me wrong, I don't mean to be presumptuous. But it's clear TL/admins/casters /Hot_bid and such really don't appreciate some of the things he does. Then you have the TSL going on, or whatever tournament they happen to be casting a game of Idras, and you know, you'd have no clue this kind of drama existed, or that such casters and Idra even know of eachother. It's just pretty surreal to me. Clearly there is a level of professionalism within TL admins/casters/chill/hot_bid/& co. that, if it didn't exist, we'd see games casted like in Idra vs Cruncher TSL "oh YEA that newb just got pwned! yea gtfo tl fool!". I mean does anyone else just find it so weird? Don't appreciate some of the things he does? I'm kind of curious, but I'd like to know what you mean on that. | ||
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meep
United States1699 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:24 travis wrote: I think mods should just permban anyone who complains about this, lol take out da mothafuckin traaaaash That's pretty offensive. Maybe worth a ban too?  | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Offtopic: Is Travis even a moderator?O.o | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43762 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:24 travis wrote: I think mods should just permban anyone who complains about this, lol take out da mothafuckin traaaaash I find it awful how many complaints there are. I'm pretty sure most other members would have been perma-banned by now if they had acted the way IdrA has, historically, towards TL. The people who keep whining about how unfair the mods are to IdrA apparently don't understand how truly accommodating they've been to him over and over and over again. And I guess they take this entire forum and the rules for granted. | ||
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bwally
United States670 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:23 Klogon wrote: Our "assumption" no longer became an assumption when Idra bluntly told us that he basically thought Chill deserved it and he was not going to apologize. Also to quote Tyler: Idra would not have been banned 90-days if it was not for the lashing out at Chill inappropriately and refusing to apologize. I would like to also add that if Idra does not stream, that has nothing to do with us and that is entirely his choice. Because we removed the ads from his stream-page, he only harms you, the community and fans, by boycotting. So hopefully we'll continue to re-engage with the community and fans because when Idra does decide to contribute without the Idra-sideshow to go along with it, he is actually a very big asset. If you are truly one of his fans, you would try to get him to see that as well. Why hasn't TL permbanned him after this long?? Do you think idra completely leaving TL would help the site? Idra can stream and never advertise it on TL again if he chooses to. What if he decides to go to another community site? | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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zeru
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:24 Bao wrote: So people voice their disagreement with the mods and get warned/temp banned for their post? I really don't understand what is going on here. gotta clean this place. im all for freedom of expressing opinions, but im not for purposeful ignorance and stupidity, and that's pretty much the only thing so many of these people are bringing to the table. honestly they are lucky they just straight up don't get banned. there was a time when people were banned much more whimsically for displaying stupidity. also the mods aren't even banning people just for expressing their opinion. it has more to do with how they do it. for exampel saying that this ban is done "out of spite". wow. The reasoning was given why he was banned. How can anyone say it was out of spite. You people do know there are rules here, right? it's that kind of stupidity that deserves bans, they are lucky im not a mod lol | ||
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
Also, lol at people who make accounts on TL to post that they are now going to some other website. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:24 Jacuzzi wrote: TL throwing the first stone? Did you see the fucking ban log? lol...how is "EG and NASL the hand that feeds" TL? They're both mutually co-existing organizations though I feel like EG needs TL more than the other way around. | ||
Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:14 Wiseman wrote: Who is really setting the bad example here? I'm sorry but Idra's post where he calls Cruncher a waste of life isn't some rant encouraging someone to grab a 9mm and his address and pay him a visit. It was the acknowledgement of one who feels superior that he was beaten by a cheater, and that he was a waste of life. Now, being an adult, I read this as not being worth my time. Would it have been better if instead of waste of life he'd said not worth my time? Would that have deserved a two day ban? How does Chill banning a professional player, for taking it to what is probably the most OPEN competitive website on the thread about his own stream (which to me would indicate it should be talking about the events of his stream, of which this clearly was one) set a good example if anyone has a dispute with any other player? I'm sorry but real, professional sports have competitors that do not like each other, don't care for each other, and only want to beat each other, no matter what it takes. Larry Bird and Michael Jordan weren't good friends. Larry Bird punted a basketball of MJ's when it rolled over near him during a practice shoot around. This entire issue was blown out of hand by the initial 2-day ban, which was undeserved. Calling someone a waste of life, on the INTERNET, is such a piddling insult not even a 14 year old would be insulted by it. Furthermore, I did not know of any bad history between Chill and Idra, but that seems to make even more sense because again, a 2 day ban for calling someone a waste of life after they intentionally trolled you was a little over the top. Hell, give them a thread where only those two immature pricks (Idra and Cruncher) can sit and verbally snipe at each other all day and just reap in the popularity. This current 90 day ban is deserved. Harassment of any official is out of hand, but the initial events that set this all in motion are what should be a concern to all. If we want to bring this thing called eSports into the REAL ADULT WORLD, we are going to have to deal with manners in a REAL and ADULT manner. Please stop with your comparisons with real sports and then bring in old superstars. In today's sports world, doing what Idra did to Chill would be like a player naming a specific ref and telling fans on his twitter to harass him (by email/phone/whatever). Do you honestly think that would go unpunished? When a figher in the UFC insults Dana White, the fighter's contract gets terminated. When Wayne Rooney said " who the fuck are you" to a camera man directly into the camera a month ago, he got a 2-match ban. If anything, the fact that this is the internet filled with immature and anonymous people is what allows shit like this to happen and have people defend the offenders so passionately. In the real world of professional sports where the organization wants a good image (The NFL is absolutely anal about good image), there is actually much less tolerance. | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:23 Morfildur wrote: Honestly, I don't know how the mods manage to restrain themselves. My usually unlimited patience would have already ran out and i would have just written a script to immedatly ban everyone in this thread, the IdrA fan club, his stream thread and every post containing the word "IdrA". Wow. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5710 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:27 coddan wrote: Maybe that EG has nothing to do with NASL and NASL has no reason to do anything to Team Liquid? Jesus, some people. Agreed. And I'm sure if by some horrendous amount of circumstances NASL boycotted TL, TL will survive. TL was here long before NASL was even a glimmer of a thought and TL will be here long after NASL is dead and gone, same with EG. If anything it's the other way around, EG & NASL shouldn't be fucking with TL lol. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:29 Enervate wrote: Rofl. Are Idra fanboys not realizing that all Idra had to do was say sorry, and lie about how he felt bad for his actions? Oh, but I guess he has too much self-respect to show such empathy. Also, lol at people who make accounts on TL to post that they are now going to some other website. umm, he never even needed to say he was sorry. all he needed to do was NOT TELL HIS FANS TO SPAM CHILL | ||
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:18 Qzy wrote: TL has some balls to ban him 90 days. What if EG + NASL turns against TL? TL just threw the first stone, bad bad idea. Never bite the hand, which feeds you. NASL would not turn on TL, EG would not turn on TL. TL is the biggest SC site outside of China (according to Tastosis, even if this isn't true its pretty fucking big) I would wager to say that a pretty large sum of people watch NASL only because TL has information on it. As for EG, I don't believe any gaming team has or would ever fight over a ban, especially such a large part of foundation in SC2 e-sports. Sir TL is the hand that feeds, you're a fool if you think TL is getting more members than they get fans/viewers | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you How can you not see this as provocation? He wasn't being stopped from streaming by TL, so he was deliberately withholding the stream in order to make people take more notice of it and possibly message Chill. I don't want to be a flamer on either side of this debate, but, for the life of me, I can't stop myself from saying that IdrA's being a bit of a drama queen about all of this (let's admit it: he's pretty theatric about imbalance, etc. already). Edit: Also not ashamed that I send this to him in an @ reply: @idrajit IdrA, I'm a fan, but I can't help but say that you're being a bit of a drama queen. Your Twitter says "progamer," be professional. | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:27 MonkSEA wrote: The 2 day ban was deserved but, pretty unreasonable moderation for 90 day ban. He didn't say to harass Chill at any time. He said if the moderation has upset you, PM Chill about it. How is this encouraging harassment? I can understand spam, but the only harassment I can see is Chill feeling overwhelmed at the amount of messages he received, but not once did IdrA say to harass Chill. The users that harassed Chill should be the ones that get a ban, not IdrA. And what's more it wasn't on the forums, so the moderation streams through social networking sites? I don't see why he was banned for saying something on another forum. Why not ask him to remove the apparent(in the eyes of the moderators) harassment and not do it again, since you know.. It wasn't on TL at all. All I see here is that you guys are showing your authority over IdrA on a website, and I think if you continue this then other SC2 fansites will become the social medium for other players/competitors. I'll restate it: 90 day ban for saying he was banned by Chill and redirect any questions about his ban to Chill? He didn't mention harass, direct spam, or any other type of flaming, just said to redirect any questions to Chill rather then himself. I wouldn't say it was harassment, and I'd rather see that he was banned for trolling the community(pm Chill so IdrA didn't have to deal with the constant retarded questions of people who don't read) rather then harassment. And, if any harassment did go through, why is IdrA taking the ban, and not the people who were dumb enough to actually harass a moderator? IdrA trolled the community, not harassed a moderator. That's just my two cents, I'm taking a (hopefully in the eyes of the moderators) civilized stance in IdrA's defence. I don't see this as flaming the moderation team, rather just trying to find their reasoning as to why it was harassment rather then IdrA trolling his fans that were dumb enough to harass a moderator. Edit: Woot, Firebat, time to roast me some Zerglings :D Idra knows perfectly well what would happen if he said to "redirect questions" to Chill. It's not as subtle as you think it is. 500th post on Idra huh. | ||
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TemplarCo.
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