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Hello, all!

It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully.

Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil.

Thanks,

Empyrean. Time stamp: 03:59 KST.
firexfred
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States78 Posts
May 07 2011 23:19 GMT
#501
I'm confused as to why the TL add was removed from his stream embed. Can someone explain that?
TheRhox
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada868 Posts
May 07 2011 23:19 GMT
#502
On May 08 2011 08:18 Keula wrote:
seriously 3 month is a bit too much... I understand that you can not tolerate harassment of mods, but still its the TL users who messages chill not idra himself. I feel like the guys who pm chill should get warned / banned not idra himself for for the actions of others even though he encouraged them to do so. Everyone is responsible for his own actions...

.. i find it kinda sad actually :-[ as TL is pretty mucht he only way to get in contact with the top the top players


Who cares about the ban It's not like IdrA ever posts anything useful here anyway. He pretty much just uses these forums to vent.
maJes
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom186 Posts
May 07 2011 23:19 GMT
#503
A shame, though understandable.

I don't think Idra is doing himself any favors at the moment, but he's free to do as he sees fit with his time.

Still a fan
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smallerk
Profile Joined October 2010
897 Posts
May 07 2011 23:20 GMT
#504
On May 08 2011 08:00 CheAse wrote:
I'm losing more and more respect for Idra.

Eventually the only fans hes going to have left are the degenerate trolls. What a waste


I am pretty sure this forum post will make him gain fans overall.
Never Regret anything because at one time it was exactly what you wanted.
Pyo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States738 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 23:23:05
May 07 2011 23:20 GMT
#505
To me, being obnoxious or being a troll or raging in-game or insulting people you don't like are all minor offenses and no big deal. Encouraging 10k+ people to actively harass someone is absolutely not cool especially considering this is the internet where random people do all sorts of violent and/or psychotic things. Examples:

http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/53393/Kim-Kardashian-Gets-Death-Threats-From-Justin-Bieber-Fans
http://www.celebritymorningnews.com/2011/04/avril-lavignes-devotees-send-death-threats-to-john-legends-girlfriend/
http://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/celebrity/celebrity-news/2011/01/04/selena-gomez-receives-death-threats-after-bieber-kiss

I suppose IdrA in his immaturity doesn't realize this, and I'm glad TL is giving him 3 months to think about it (not that he will). When celebrities do things and say things they really need to be aware of the consequences.

EDIT: I hope EG paying attention to this situation as well, after all I'm sure this sort of behavior doesn't generally go over super well with sponsors....
FlyingSheeps
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada204 Posts
May 07 2011 23:20 GMT
#506
Its an understandable thing,

TL like any other site or place has rules and to stay on it you have to respect those rules,
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10360 Posts
May 07 2011 23:20 GMT
#507
better get the fan riot shields up, this one will have tons of response. imo, greg is a great player, but really needs to man up and mature... a lot. you see, he's been bming people since he began playing. again imo, this would have happened anyways considering his rude behavior.
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GCVeila
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States39 Posts
May 07 2011 23:20 GMT
#508
Good decision by TL, I do love watching idra, and how he plays, but that's about it, his additute is not a big turn on!
Just keep playing, don't stop!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45456 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 23:21:01
May 07 2011 23:20 GMT
#509
On May 08 2011 08:15 darnka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 06:51 diverzee wrote:
Ridiculous way of enforcing something bad just out of spite. This is not national law, it's just a forum. Would be way better to actually think of the fans and at least stick to the original 2 days.

User was warned for this post


I agree, and the fact that you get warned for saying what you just said is also ridiculous.


It's because you both are trivializing the rules and moderation that go into this forum. IdrA doesn't make the forum rules; it's not a popularity contest. For him to promote the flaming of a moderator is ridiculous, and he's not exempt from a ban just because he's a pro-gamer and has a lot of fans.

If anything, he should be thinking of his fans and curbing his behavior. It's not the responsibility of the moderators to be overly nice to people who screw with the system and propose anarchy.
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R3m3mb3rM3
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany954 Posts
May 07 2011 23:21 GMT
#510
On May 08 2011 08:15 darnka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 06:51 diverzee wrote:
Ridiculous way of enforcing something bad just out of spite. This is not national law, it's just a forum. Would be way better to actually think of the fans and at least stick to the original 2 days.

User was warned for this post


I agree, and the fact that you get warned for saying what you just said is also ridiculous.


holy shit you got warned for that

be glad you dont face a 90 day ban mister

Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 23:22:10
May 07 2011 23:21 GMT
#511
TL and IdrA have been doing the same dance for so long now, I'm starting to wonder whether a permanent ban should seriously be considered (if it hasn't been already). Yeah I know he gets some latitude because he's a well-known progamer and he used to contribute to the BW strategy section back in the day but he apparently has made it clear that he's not going to change his behaviour towards the staff of TL.

Ever since he switched to SC2, the majority of his posts have been to antagonise, ridicule or vent. As long as his stream is being shown at the listing, I don't see why TL shouldn't perma ban him? If he sees the error of his ways down the line, he can contact the admins then and maybe get another chance. The ban will also serve as a stronger demonstration to others that you cannot just go around doing what you want on TL and get away with it because you have a rep and some credentials.

Something to think about I guess.
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blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
May 07 2011 23:21 GMT
#512
I have no idea how you justify this. His 2 day ban for instulting Cruncher was absolutely right, but banning somebody for 90 days for something he says on twitter? I don't see what this has to do with forum moderation, it looks like a very childish move.
LegionUK
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom11 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 23:23:39
May 07 2011 23:21 GMT
#513
On May 08 2011 08:18 Qzy wrote:
TL has some balls to ban him 90 days.

What if EG + NASL turns against TL? TL just threw the first stone, bad bad idea. Never bite the hand, which feeds you.


The mere idea that TL is sustained my one progammer, especially Idra is beyond comical.

And how is one team plus a league going to overtake TL, the hub of the Starcraft community?

It's bans like this that send out a message to the rest of the community that no matter who you are you must abide by TL rules when you are on their site, I for one think that's a massive reason that TL is the biggest Starcraft site around.
Qzy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Denmark1121 Posts
May 07 2011 23:22 GMT
#514
On May 08 2011 08:19 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 08:18 Qzy wrote:
TL has some balls to ban him 90 days.

What if EG + NASL turns against TL? TL just threw the first stone, bad bad idea. Never bite the hand, which feeds you.


i dont think you know how this works


Explanation?
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chameleonism
Profile Joined May 2010
United States31 Posts
May 07 2011 23:22 GMT
#515
On May 08 2011 07:51 Klogon wrote:Idra on his twitter tried to imply that by being banned, he could no longer stream. That was false. And if we assume he knew it was also false (he probably did), we can then assume that he was maliciously misleading his thousands of twitter followers into a rage against Chill. Thus I think it is fair to say Idra did encourage his fans to go harass Chill.


It seems some of the mods are contradicting themselves. As I read through this thread, I see mods asking for evidence but what you just said is anything but, it is all "assumptions." Moreover, you believe that Idra said he "won't be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl" because he thought he physically couldn't via the website. You are assuming that he was saying he couldn't when he could have easily meant he wouldn't (aka reverse punishment) which would have been a fair decision on his part considering the ban. It may have been childish, but reasonable on his part considering the ban.

Also, telling people to message the mod that banned him seems 100% reasonable to me. If I have a complaint about a rule on a forum or IRL, I would confront the person who set it. It is the most logical thing to do. After all, writing/emailing a congressman (in the US) is a normal procedure. People don't get arrested for it. There is no "evidence" that "proves" Idra was being "vindictive." From what I have read, the "assumptions" have come from the mods and not Idra. =/

Idra has a history of being BM but he is also one of the most popular players and to be completely honest, his streams are 10x more enjoyable because of it. Watching someone who shows emotion and tells it how it really is is much better than the opposite.

My 2 cents. Most will probably disagree.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
May 07 2011 23:22 GMT
#516
On May 08 2011 08:13 Mayor wrote:
Sigh, it's time for IdrA to grow up.


These are my favorite posts in the thread. It goes along so well with the poll.

IdrA wont "grow up" because of this, nor would I expect anybody to. He believed he was cheated by Cruncher. Whether or not it's factual doesn't matter, because he felt it was a good possibility. He posted quickly and out without much thought of depth. He was then banned because of a post he made after thinking he had been cheated.

I wouldn't expect anybody, ever, to think themselves as being treated properly when this happens and he certainly wont change a thing. If he ever does "change", it'll just be no longer posting, because he knows it would result in a ban. His attitude wont be changed by this, and thinking that banning him will change his attitude (note, not saying TL does) is a pipe dream.
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beridoxy
Profile Joined August 2010
France54 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 23:23:58
May 07 2011 23:22 GMT
#517
Sorry bad post
snailz
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 23:24:37
May 07 2011 23:23 GMT
#518
On May 08 2011 08:18 Qzy wrote:
TL has some balls to ban him 90 days.

What if EG + NASL turns against TL? TL just threw the first stone, bad bad idea. Never bite the hand, which feeds you.

TL moderation doesn't have a good reputation atm, as well as current bad situation between EG and TL - I would never try to provoke like this. It's a catalyst!


its the other way around, do you really not see that?
"I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch." - intrigue
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-07 23:32:14
May 07 2011 23:23 GMT
#519
On May 08 2011 08:13 how2TL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 07:51 Klogon wrote:
First of all, if Cruncher is proven to have cheated, we will take action. We have no problem taking action against even the most high profile of players (ex. Dimaga and TSL2/3) but try to do so with careful deliberation. Please do not think our actions here are simply us spitefully swinging a banhammer. You'd be surprised by the pages of discussions we have of actions that involve high-profile community members, Idra included.

Also, regarding the "harassing".

On May 08 2011 07:05 Karthane wrote:
I don't necessarily think he was encouraging people to "harrass" them. He just said if you have a problem with it message Chill. Whatever though, in the end i think it's better to have IdrA here, streaming on TL. Brings more people here. Hell, he even got 20k to watch Sotg.


On May 08 2011 07:20 Mysticvoid wrote:
I feel the 2 day ban was justified. Calling someone a waste a life is pretty low and should be punished. All fine and dandy, what I am not ok with is punishing someone for something they said outside of the forums. Idra didn't tell anyone to harass Chill, Idra said and I quote "wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you." Yes he did tell his fans to PM Chill, did he tell them to insult him or harass him? No he didnt and I'm sorry but if mods can't handle getting PMs from people maybe they should reconsider being mods.



Idra on his twitter tried to imply that by being banned, he could no longer stream. That was false. And if we assume he knew it was also false (he probably did), we can then assume that he was maliciously misleading his thousands of twitter followers into a rage against Chill. Thus I think it is fair to say Idra did encourage his fans to go harass Chill.


Why are you requiring "proof" to take action against Cruncher while simultaneously allowing your assumption to be the basis of Idra's 90 day ban?


Our "assumption" no longer became an assumption when Idra bluntly told us that he basically thought Chill deserved it and he was not going to apologize.

Also to quote Tyler:
On May 08 2011 08:12 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
It's standard procedure to leave the stream open when sniping its player. When the game is over, simply remove mute and listen to the commentary. If the stream is closed, the initial advertisement is very likely to destroy the chance to hear the full commentary.


Idra would not have been banned 90-days if it was not for the lashing out at Chill inappropriately and refusing to apologize. I would like to also add that if Idra does not stream, that has nothing to do with us and that is entirely his choice. Because we removed the ads from his stream-page, he only harms you, the community and fans, by boycotting. So hopefully he'll continue to re-engage with the community and fans because when Idra does decide to contribute without the Idra-sideshow to go along with it, he is actually a very big asset. If you are truly one of his fans, you would try to get him to see that as well.
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
May 07 2011 23:23 GMT
#520
On May 08 2011 08:15 darnka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2011 06:51 diverzee wrote:
Ridiculous way of enforcing something bad just out of spite. This is not national law, it's just a forum. Would be way better to actually think of the fans and at least stick to the original 2 days.

User was warned for this post


I agree, and the fact that you get warned for saying what you just said is also ridiculous.


It's the Law of TL.net, written down in the ten commandments. If you don't agree to the rules, don't join the community. It's as simple as that.

The TL mods are already very restrained in all matters that involve IdrA, even the posts that his followers make... you can't really ask much more of them.

Honestly, I don't know how the mods manage to restrain themselves. My usually unlimited patience would have already ran out and i would have just written a script to immedatly ban everyone in this thread, the IdrA fan club, his stream thread and every post containing the word "IdrA".

You really can't ask much more of the mods than to try their best to keep the forum civil and the fans happy.

@Mods: Keep up the good work
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