EPTthats like 50 years in internet time
dont like it at all
im on idras side even though i understand that sending his little fanclub to spam ppl is definately not ok
but 90 days... really t.t
Idra Banned for 90 Days - Page 25
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R3m3mb3rM3
Germany954 Posts
thats like 50 years in internet time dont like it at all im on idras side even though i understand that sending his little fanclub to spam ppl is definately not ok but 90 days... really t.t | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
IMO, Idra BMing Cruncher seems fairly equivalent to Cruncher using the stream to snipe Idra. Whether or not Cruncher was also using the stream to cheat is also something we don't know 100%. Idra's 90 day ban however is predicated on the assumption that Idra knew he could still stream regardless of the ban. This is not something we know 100%. Granted, the 90-day ban was partially based on Idra's failure to apologize in a discussion with Mods, but if Idra strongly suspected Cruncher to be cheating, its pretty easy to see how he feels the ban is unjustified. -- its just as likely that his request to get people to PM mods via twitter is an attempt to out Idra's side of the story with additional evidence/points of view, since he likely feels the mods don't really listen to his perspective. In the end its a ridiculously tough call, but given the situation, Cruncher's actions off-site are at least equivalent to Idra's prior to his 2day. | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:32 zs3000 wrote: I love this conversation. He admitted to queue sniping, he has 2 monitors to see Idras stream while playing, his play was exactly counter to IdrA's play exactly. Every single piece of "evidence" you need to believe someone was cheating is there, but because Chill wasn't there to see it in first person i guess (Cuz that's the only thing that will convince him) he won't do anything. I guess if that's your stance, what proves Idra posted that stuff on TL? Or on Twitter? WHat's your proof? Someone else could have said those things on his account, you didn't see it first hand, you can't PROVE it. Bias is the name of the game. I don't even like IdrA. I think he's bad for the game, but Chill makes me defend him because of the terribly bias comments and actions. To quote someone else in this thread: Whats wrong with telling people to confront moderators if they're banned? When someone tells the masses to write a letter to their congressman because they're upset with something they should be "banned"? stream sniping, making sure you eat healthy, and packing your lunch are not responsibilities of TL mods but making sure their forums are civil is one of their responsibilities. If idra wants to confront cruncher, he can do via other ways then using the TL forums to grack attack him. Even if cruncher did snipe, then it's not up to TL mods to punish. They confronted idra about his actions, that's how they proved it was him; he stated he didn't feel bad about his behavior. | ||
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Sprungjeezy
United States1313 Posts
It's Idras own fault that he continues to act the way he does and thinks he won't be in trouble for it. I'm personally glad that this happened, hopefully he'll learn his lesson. I completely understand banning idra for his incendiary behavior, but has Team Liquid taken any action to punish Cruncher for ghosting idra's stream, which was the thing that started this whole mess? Does teamliquid have any kind of statement in regards to that? Well considering TL had no part in their game, why would they care? Korean pros do not stream for this reason (and many others), he should take it into consideration. Also I would sign a petition for the Idra's pun thread back :D. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
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enexiss
8 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:09 Supamang wrote: You are amazingly snide for someone who cant think past the shallowest layer of the situation. If you tell all of your followers to PM the person who banned you, what the fuck do you think is gonna happen? Also, for what reason would Idra want his little flunkies to PM Chill? You think his intent was to get people to ask nicely for an unban? Of course not. If he tells "Everyone" to PM Chill, his intent is to spam Chill to coerce him for an unban. Try to get some critical thinking skills here. Well you did just insult every person who's behind Idra in this situation. Considering the logic here, that's a bannable offense. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44171 Posts
On May 08 2011 06:55 Aeres wrote: I think IdrA should be forced to sing Rebecca Black's "Friday" at MLG Columbus, in lieu of a 90-day ban. :D Yes please  The mods have been more than accommodating to IdrA in the long run. As much as I get the occasional kick out of watching him be the bad boy, it's completely understandable when the banhammer is used justly. He's certainly not above the law. Besides, Chill's the man. And what Cruncher does has nothing to do with what IdrA did to Chill, as far as I know. | ||
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darnka
Sweden1 Post
On May 08 2011 06:51 diverzee wrote: Ridiculous way of enforcing something bad just out of spite. This is not national law, it's just a forum. Would be way better to actually think of the fans and at least stick to the original 2 days. User was warned for this post I agree, and the fact that you get warned for saying what you just said is also ridiculous. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:08 KCrazy wrote: the reason he was banned has very little to do with Cruncher. Idra was upset and insulted cruncher, and on this site, it's pretty clear that attacking any individual is not acceptable. Chill responded according to the expectations of the moderation team and Idra, then decided to attack chill indirectly by telling people to spam chill. After all of that he refused to recognize his error and the decision was made that a 90 day ban would be in the best interest of maintaining the environment TL mods are striving for. Idra wasn't upset, he told everyone to forget about Cruncher then proceeding to put in the "waste of life" comment. | ||
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Jacuzzi
United States528 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:12 zeru wrote: Here's the so called "stream cheating" game where apparently cruncher "blindly counters" idra by building zealots and not adding cannons against a roach push. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Kfcwp.jpg) (This is sarcasm, zealots are not good against roaches, they are actually good for aggression vs early 3rd ling expands, the only thing he could blind counter in that game if he cheated, he didn't blind counter) You can use the zealots to chase the roaches back from the cannons so they don't get focused down while they shoot the roaches. I'm not supporting Idra but I'm just putting some logic behind the zealots. | ||
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kenw
Canada1 Post
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Pestilence
Belgium41 Posts
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Ouga
Finland645 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:12 Liquid`Tyler wrote: It's standard procedure to leave the stream open when sniping its player. When the game is over, simply remove mute and listen to the commentary. If the stream is closed, the initial advertisement is very likely to destroy the chance to hear the full commentary. +1 @ that. I know about 10 finns who've done this exact same, when some "famous" players or just people who stream a lot have laddered (Idra/grubby mostly). It doesn't include watching or listening to stream, you just have to have it on for sniping, and as said muting makes reopening it faster because everybody want to hear what you're being spoken in stream after you've beat the hell out of the streamer | ||
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Pestilence
Belgium41 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:16 kenw wrote: --- Nuked --- Lol tmp ban inc. Y you mimick IdrA? He just got banned ! | ||
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Qzy
Denmark1121 Posts
What if EG + NASL turns against TL? TL just threw the first stone, bad bad idea. Never bite the hand, which feeds you. TL moderation doesn't have a good reputation atm, as well as current bad situation between EG and TL - I would never try to provoke like this. It's a catalyst! | ||
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Keula
Germany157 Posts
.. i find it kinda sad actually :-[ as TL is pretty mucht he only way to get in contact with the top the top players | ||
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Zylexeron
Canada9 Posts
Obviously Chill would be pissed if people sniped/stream cheated playing him, he's just too immature to admit it. TL has to back up their posse though whether they are right or WRONG. | ||
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rogbirdz
United States24 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:15 darnka wrote: I agree, and the fact that you get warned for saying what you just said is also ridiculous. ^seriously | ||
pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:13 how2TL wrote: Why are you requiring "proof" to take action against Cruncher while simultaneously allowing your assumption to be the basis of Idra's 90 day ban? The ban reason clearly states that Nazgul has spoken with IdrA and he did not apologise or regret his behaviour, actions or what resulted from it. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:18 Qzy wrote: TL has some balls to ban him 90 days. What if EG + NASL turns against TL? TL just threw the first stone, bad bad idea. Never bite the hand, which feeds you. i dont think you know how this works | ||
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