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Hello, all! It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully. Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil. Thanks, Empyrean. Time stamp: 03:59 KST. | ||
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TheRhox
Canada868 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:53 HitStarcraft wrote: Does idra know he can probably make his own forum and we can all just migrate there!? Then TL wont have any problems with idRa or his stream. please do. | ||
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corpsepose
1678 Posts
shame he probably wont stream for a while now : ( | ||
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sYz-Adrenaline
United States1850 Posts
 (to know that my deployment is roughly 90 days to being over that is) | ||
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xVoiid
Canada199 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:49 Delvin wrote: TL's triggerhappy mods at it again. Mildly amusing to follow. Incidentally I had no idea he was banned for a whole month this year and that pretty much proves how little effect this has. Even if Idra *did* get permabanned from the site, what would change? He hardly posts anything important and could just continue playing, and people would still talk about him all the time. It's not like people are going to ignore the most successful foreigner, even if he acts like an ass. Have you ever been a mod or admin on a forum before? I have. And guess what, its annoying as hell to be one. And that forum wasn't even near the size of TL. You have to act fast and hard because if not, things get out of control. TL prides itself on being the best SC site on the internet. How do you get there? By getting rid of the dumb posts. Thats what they are doing here. | ||
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Invoker
Belgium686 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:50 enexiss wrote: Why is a mod getting PMs a terrible thing? Is that not why they have that feature? Doing something because you need to and abusing it are totally different things. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:53 HitStarcraft wrote: Does idra know he can probably make his own forum and we can all just migrate there!? Then TL wont have any problems with idRa or his stream. This would be a good idea | ||
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Seide
United States831 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:50 enexiss wrote: Why is a mod getting PMs a terrible thing? Is that not why they have that feature? It is a terrible thing when these PMs are spamming the said mod. There's no problem PMing a mod about your ban if perhaps you wanted some clarification on exactly why you got banned, but using your fanbase to spam the mod isn't legit. Personally I thought that tweet was more of a joke, but oh well. | ||
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Attican
Denmark531 Posts
It's a shame, he's an awesome player, just doesn't seem to have much in the way of tact. | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:51 Whitebeard wrote: So far what I'm getting from this whole thing is: Idra pretty much just said "i don't care its a ladder game, don't give cruncher more attention than he deserves" and gets 2 day ban, ok questionable decision but whatever, only 2 day ban. Then Idra put something up on twitter that most normal people should've taken as a joke since only dumb people would actually go ahead and spam Chill for something like this, lol Idra isn't holding a gun to these people's heads and telling them to spam but apparently idiots did spam chill, probably the retarded portion of Idra fans and antifans lookin to get Idra into more trouble. IMO, everyone who spammed chill should be temp banned or whatever...but the 90 day ban on Idra might be a little too much, I don't know. The initial ban was not about what Idra "pretty much just said", it was about Idra calling Cruncher a "waste of life". And that is not a questionable decision. Regarding Idra putting up something that you claim should be taken as a joke, it WASN'T intended as a joke. If it was intended as a joke, Idra would gladly rescind it when he saw the backlash that ocurred because of it. "We spoke with Idra and he stated that he does not regret his actions and will not change his behavior on our forums." -naz | ||
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Char711
United States862 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:44 teve wrote: I think it's pretty sad how Cruncher was able to so blatantly BM Idra in the third set of their game in the TeamLiquid Star League, and mock Idra's fans in his fan club, without receiving any sort of punishment. While Idra gets crucified for saying that "he's a waste of life". It's quite hypocritical to take such an aggressive stance against one of the two parties. I realize that Idra has received a lot of warnings already, if not too many, but how is this in any way fair? I hardly believe Cruncher took Idras remark very seriously, I bet you if anything he laughed and felt sorry for Idra. This is the internet, people don't get hurt by forum posts. What's the point of making this forum a safe haven for insults? Gatored got here before me, but I'll repeat and elaborate: why are you accusing without knowing 3/4 of it? IdrA was giving him crap in between all of the games and all Cruncher did was " ". While the meaning was obvious, it does not eclipse what IdrA did and was not disparaging to the level of "he's a waste of life," which, come on, is way worse. It's the difference between "Hah! I was able to beat you! Take that!' and "You don't deserve to live." | ||
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cOoLiD
Canada168 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:53 HitStarcraft wrote: Does idra know he can probably make his own forum and we can all just migrate there!? Then TL wont have any problems with idRa or his stream. That would take a lot of time and money. IdrA being a progamer probably doesn't have either of these. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
Anyways, about the whole 'its surreal the history between TL staff and Idra and you wouldnt know it from games they cast that they even had a history, much like one full of animosity' it's clear there is both respect and professionalism from people like Chill. There's just such an interesting backstory to many games, with the history between players (ie MVP vs MKP in the GSL WC, Idra vs Cruncher, rivalries, etc), and the fact that even the casters and players may have a history just it so... cool! And of course, surreal. I don't agree with Idra being banned for saying Cruncher is a waste of life. It's his opinion, maybe he should get a warn for being a bit inflammatory, but if he doesnt like cruncher then he doesnt like him, what can you do about it? As for Idra's twitter message, I don't know... On one hand, it seems pretty innocent - "you can msg chill if you dissaprove". Okay, so one in 10 fans may have an issue or something with it, and ask chill innocently. But Idra should know better, and he probably did. I would say ban any of the PM'ers who were inflammatory (obviously some people may just be sad, but I assume most were probably ridiculous in their PMs). Obviously with Idra saying he isn't sorry, then that's pretty clear cut ban him. If he said something like "i wasnt encouraging them to spam him" then maybe the matter would be okay... I love how unapologetic Idra is, and I do think he's a level above everyone. I don't think Idra is necessarily full of himself, it's that he's full of anyone who trains in a pro-house for 3 years for 6 days a week, 10+ hours a day, 1 day off a month, on a rigourous training schedule - like he did. In fact he's the only foreigner to do so for a very long time, until recently with players like Jinro - whom idra has respect for. But he knows he isn't very clear, and he does make it sound like he's full of himself, rather than full of respect for those who train hard, work hard. | ||
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Thobrik
Sweden1120 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:52 Morfildur wrote: Well, the exact text is (as already quoted before in this thread): The wording means: If you are upset about me not streaming, pm chill. Since the ban has no influence on his streaming, the post is misleading and he never corrected it. Oh, right. That's a point I missed. That actually makes things a lot worse. Thanks for clearing it up for me. | ||
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eMazing
59 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:50 enexiss wrote: Why is a mod getting PMs a terrible thing? Is that not why they have that feature? It is bad because he is getting PM'd with harassment due to the fact that a IdrA encouraged them do it, and when asked to apologize/explain himself he just told them that he didn't care and that Chill deserved it. Glad they banned him. They also banned Destiny telling his users to message a USER on TL and he only got unbanned after apologizing and agreeing to never do it again. | ||
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L0thar
987 Posts
To people who bitch about it (not the ones politely discussing it, you are fine guys) - you could suck it up or gtfo. TL was a great site before you came here and it will be a great site long after you are gone. I hate such self entitled brats. Chill has done for this site more than all of you combined, show at least some respect in you comments. | ||
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meowmasta
146 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:40 NightAngel wrote: But can you PROVE it? I am very confused by all of the hypocrisy being shown as of late. I completely understand the need for direct and unwavering evidence, but I don't agree with taking action in one circumstance without proof and not so in another. They did prove it, if you had taken the time to read through all the pages. Chill/Nazgul got in contact with Idra, who basically admitted as such and didn't apologize for it. I don't have the page, and don't want to go back and find it, but it's there. ^^ | ||
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jfourz
Ireland421 Posts
i'm not sure about the idra ban, getting annoyed at a temp ban for a joke and venting on twitter is reasonable but i guess it resulted in a lot of harassment for chill. but speaking in general, the atmosphere around here seems to be getting a lot more tense and serious and thus less fun and games than it was say a year ago, at least in my opinion | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:56 meowmasta wrote: They did prove it, if you had taken the time to read through all the pages. Chill/Nazgul got in contact with Idra, who basically admitted as such and didn't apologize for it. I don't have the page, and don't want to go back and find it, but it's there. ^^ there should be no need to search for it, seeing as it's quoted in the OP by Nazgul. | ||
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meowmasta
146 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:56 meowmasta wrote: They did prove it, if you had taken the time to read through all the pages. Chill/Nazgul got in contact with Idra, who basically admitted as such and didn't apologize for it. I don't have the page, and don't want to go back and find it, but it's there. ^^ Furthermore, they got in contact with Cruncher too, and found nothing of evidence to indicate streamcheating; sniping yes, but not actual cheating within the stream during the game. | ||
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