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Hello, all! It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully. Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil. Thanks, Empyrean. Time stamp: 03:59 KST. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:00 snailz wrote: if this was said about lets say any TLAF'Liquid player, i think ban would be given? will it for Idra? Yes, flaming on both sides will be banned. Infinity2k9 should be hit with a ban hammer pretty soon, if this is integrity we're talking about. | ||
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gurrpp
United States437 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:00 Roggay wrote: Because suggesting his fans to harass a TL mod via TL is not related to the forum? Yea right... | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:58 infinity2k9 wrote: What success was that? Rotting in the B-team of BW teams for a couple of years and winning a few small time mostly amateur tournaments. Wooo what a superstar Exactly. Idra is nowhere near as accomplished or good as his fan club and him think. In fact, I'd venture a guess and say that this mindset is WHY he doesn't do as well as he could. He obviously has very good mechanics, but when everything is always everyone elses fault (eg 'you got lucky', 'your race is overpowered') it just shows that he doesn't have a winning mentality. We all know these type of people in real life who blame everyone and everything but themselves... and they are the ones that never succeed. Either way, I can't see how anyone can defend him on this. Telling people to harass a moderator and sticking to it is asking for a perm ban if anything. | ||
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
I dont care what idra says on the forums as long as he streams im happy! Mods still >>>>>>>>>> Idra =) | ||
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SidianTheBard
United States2474 Posts
As for the 90 day ban, yes it is kind of harass towards chill especially with how people online will do it, they'll log into their 5 different accounts and send the same thing, or just spam random crap in the PM. But you've got to think that Idra was doing this streaming/commentating for team liquid fans and then because he calls a player trash, he gets banned. It's almost why stream for TL if you are going to get banned for voicing your opinion. It could go back and forth constantly deciding who handled it better/worse, although I still think a 90 day ban is extremely steep and should probably be rethought out. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:52 waxypants wrote: This has been said 1000 time but: IdrA was approached by the mods and said he had no regrets or an apology to give. So do you still think he did not intend for people to spam Chill? the logic goes like this: 1.idra's joke lines on twitter-> he did or didnt mean to cause the harm, nobody can tell. either way, if the (immature) fans go harass/spam Chill, their actions are not within his responsibility. 2.TL accuses idra for 'encouraged his fans to harass and spam Chill on TL' -> TL's verdict: idra is guilty for all these spam/harass. if idra did 'apologize', he would be automatically admitting that he 'intended' to cause the harm. if you were idra, would you 'apologize' (over nothing but just to please TL)?? | ||
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R0YAL
United States1768 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:32 Monolithic- wrote: The difference is that it's pretty common for people to have dual monitors and CrunCher is OBVIOUSLY not going to admit to cheating. It's totally expected for him to say he had it minimized and muted because it was already proven that he was connected to the stream so it's not like he could deny that part. He lied about what cannot be proven/disproven. Him and IdrA have a grudge and IdrA constantly beats and BMs CrunCher. There's your motive. IdrA had every right to be angry about the situation, and banning him for something like this is totally unreasonable and biased towards CrunCher. Innocent until proven guilty. Thats as fair as it gets. If Cruncher received a ban for this with no hard evidence of the fact, then tons of other people would be in an uproar saying how unjust and unfair it is. On May 08 2011 07:55 scrim wrote: So teamliquid bans people for something that didn't even happen on the forums? Shouldn't they ban huk then? Huk bmed idra at mlg on shattered temple, making him upset DURING a set. Something like that is NOT acceptable. But then again, huk is on teamliquid, so he has super priviliges. Nazgul also bmed idra at mlg dallas. + Show Spoiler + "You got blinked But then again, nazgul is on teamliquid, so he has super priviliges. NICE MODERATION User was temp banned for this post. How can you compare that to this? "You got blinked" is no where near the degree of bm that calling someone a waste of life is. On top of that Nazgul and Huk said that in a game, not in the forums where it is against the rules to insult people in such ways. | ||
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Neeh
Norway458 Posts
Also, How can anyone actually still like this guy, as a fan? He's a good player, but his behaviour is simply childish and ignorant. Wich is easily proven by the insane ammount of times he's been banned on TL. Go figure. I guess he realises it brings in mad fans and keeps up the show for the masses, it's like a spoiled kid who keep screaming cause he knows mom will buy him icecream in the end. | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:03 McKTenor13 wrote: I completely understand the 2 day ban, it was deserving. But seriously banning him for 90 days? I dont care what the hell he said on twitter, this shit is ridiculous. I have a huge respect for team liquid and how they do things and what I am seeing now is a childish fight between idra and the mods. Before----TL Mods >>>>> Idra Now---- TL Mods = Idra =/ Life goes on I guess.... considering other users, this is a very kind sentance. though i will miss idra ): @Neeh you are overreacting and have obviously something against him. | ||
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BillyHardcore
Denmark104 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:59 Fatalize wrote: Yes. What is non-logical with that ? TL ban people for things they dont do on the forum (which is stupid). As such they should have been banned. Just following the rules. I dont see it that way, none of the banlogs I read stated the reason for banning was not related directly to TL or its Staff. Besides I dont know of any rules about people being allowed to trashtalk in a game on their userstream when featured on TL. | ||
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eMazing
59 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:03 BurningSera wrote: the logic goes like this: 1.idra's joke lines on twitter-> he did or didnt mean to cause the harm, nobody can tell. either way, if the (immature) fans go harass/spam Chill, their actions are not within his responsibility. 2.TL accuses idra for 'encouraged his fans to harass and spam Chill on TL' -> TL's verdict: idra is guilty for all these spam/harass. if idra did 'apologize', he would be automatically admitting that he 'intended' to cause the harm. if you were idra, would you 'apologize'?? He could have said, "That is what I intended to happen and I am sorry that some of my fans interpreted my post the wrong way" and say sorry to that. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:02 ch33psh33p wrote: Yes, flaming on both sides will be banned. Infinity2k9 should be hit with a ban hammer pretty soon, if this is integrity we're talking about. All i said was the truth, stop being babies. There's been much worse threads about IdrA before: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342 | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On May 08 2011 08:59 SeaMoosi wrote: I love the Idra fans thinking he can do whatever he wants. As good a player as the guy may be, telling his followers to all message a moderator for doing his job? (volunteer job, I should add) Idra has been especially prone to making rash statements and thinking he's in the right, like in the last SotG. This sort of thing was a long time coming. It's good to see TL can still take the high road. Rash statements? They were clear points. | ||
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johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
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Enervate
United States1769 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:05 johanngrunt wrote: Just seeking clarification, was the original 2 day temp ban for calling cruncher a "waste of life" done in TL? Yes. In his stream thread. | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:05 johanngrunt wrote: Just seeking clarification, was the original 2 day temp ban for calling cruncher a "waste of life" done in TL? I believe so. | ||
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Yurie
11836 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:03 BurningSera wrote: if idra did 'apologize', he would be automatically admitting that he 'intended' to cause the harm. if you were idra, would you 'apologize' (over nothing but just to please TL)?? I would say, sorry for this unintended consequence. It was a funny post I did while being grumpy and I didn't mean for people to spam Chill. This shows he didn't mean for it to do that while also showing he didn't want chill to get spammed. He also doesn't admit that was his intention. It took me ~10 seconds to think up, Idra is most likely smarter than me. | ||
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Kaonis
United States243 Posts
.... No, wait, he'd probably be exactly the same. Really, nothing about this makes sense to me, starting from Idra's insult, to Chill's reaction (as well as the treatment of Cruncher) and the first ban. I mean, are you moderators sure you aren't making the decisions you are because you know how Idra acts, and you let that get in the way? | ||
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typingit
97 Posts
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PoopLord
537 Posts
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