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Hello, all! It's become quite apparent that many of you are not reading the first post carefully. Failure to do so in the future will be met with swift punishment. And as always, remember to be civil. Thanks, Empyrean. Time stamp: 03:59 KST. | ||
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TheRhox
Canada868 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:05 johanngrunt wrote: Just seeking clarification, was the original 2 day temp ban for calling cruncher a "waste of life" done in TL? yes, he called him a waste of life in his stream thread | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:06 typingit wrote: Please close this thread it hurts my brain. Don't read it, then. If this thread were closed, the shitfest would literally be everywhere. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule18968 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:34 diverzee wrote: So Idra tells his army to PM chill. So what, noone can prove what his intentions were. Idra can't send PMs himself, so he asks for someone else to complain for him. Now, we're speaking of 15k viewers backing up his belief cruncher was a cheat, and that Idra's post showed an accurate position on Cruncher's actions. Not hard to see why people are unhappy Idra is the one being punished, being silenced, and being unable to express his personality and emotions. This 90 day ban is made out of spite, and because of the staff's pride. First, he can PM mods. Anyone can, even when banned. Second, it's NOT made out of spite. If you read the OP, you would have understood that the admins talked directly with IdrA and banned him after they failed to come to a resolution. In fact, they said all IdrA needed to do to not get banned was to apologize. | ||
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Liight
Iceland103 Posts
he got banned, why do 300 people need to comment on it, most pointless thead ever, why even announce this shit "we banned idra derp FLAME ON" User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
Then definitely ban worthy. You can't be a professional and get away with calling someone that. (I was confused because some people were saying it was in game, where it'd still be bad, but nothing TL could do about it) | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:05 infinity2k9 wrote: All i said was the truth, stop being babies. There's been much worse threads about IdrA before: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342 The fact that it is the truth doesn't mean it isn't stupid. If being in a koean B-Team is no accomplishment for you, so be it (although I have to say it is pretty stupid), but no foreigner made it ever farther than that. Idra was clearly the best non korean Brood War player for the last years, whether you like it or not. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Regular users too, but there is always the possibility it was just overlooked. What I don't understand is how this deserves it's own thread. There's a thread for discussing bans. Right below this one. I guess someone wants to show how incredibly justified this is supposed to be. And cause more drama on the way. Yay for more drama. | ||
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snailz
Croatia900 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:05 infinity2k9 wrote: All i said was the truth, stop being babies. There's been much worse threads about IdrA before: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342 with that "statement" you insulted players like select, kiwikaki and others that idra just recently beat to win IPL (who you reffered to in your post as "amateur tournament") so again, if u said anything similar about lets say liquid'jinro, u would be banned. lets see if same rules apply for insulting idra. edit: indeed it was a temp ban. fair on both sides and very swift, tl moderators ftw  keep up the good work | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
Still, I personally felt idra had some entitlement to be publicly mad at cruncher. Giving analysis while playing games for an entire week was something I craved from idra, so I am trying to not make this opinion centered on what I want. Putting myself in idra's shoes, if I had been streaming and analyzing and this professional who I care very little about is matched with me, plays suspiciously and then is found out to have had my stream open, even if it was muted and minimized, I would get very angry. I would say things that idra says probably. And I think I would have to much pride to apologize to such a person. I think the subject should be dropped. I would unban idra and tell him never to talk about the incident again publicly, and discuss with the mods exactly the certain proof he had on cruncher's offense. I don't think its a maturity thing, I think it's a matter of pride. As a gaming icon, telling idra to swallow his pride is not something he will do to make everyone happy if it gives him the reverse reputation. He has enough adamant followers and fans to warrant this. I'll try to distance myself from that crew, but I can't say I don't love Idra for his bad manner. I'm not downplaying him here, I like his attitude and the fact that he doesn't adhere to manner. But do what you need to do TL. I will always respect the decisions this site makes. | ||
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AuxPriest
Canada38 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:05 johanngrunt wrote: Just seeking clarification, was the original 2 day temp ban for calling cruncher a "waste of life" done in TL? Believe so. To be fair, IdrA was streaming and had TWO games against Cruncher, and both games Cruncher9 was in the user room viewing the stream while playing against IdrA. I feel IdrA was justified in his insult, maybe the insult was a little too harsh. Although, a ninety day ban for saying: "wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you" isn't really a call for harassment. I dunno. Seems thinly veiled to me. | ||
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darthcaesar
United States475 Posts
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
@ admins | ||
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elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:08 Dandel Ion wrote: Well, mods insult people from time to time, stuff that's worse than "waste of life" too. Regular users too, but there is always the possibility it was just overlooked. What I don't understand is how this deserves it's own thread. There's a thread for discussing bans. Right below this one. I guess someone wants to show how incredibly justified this is supposed to be. And cause more drama on the way. Yay for more drama. No, there is a thread for it because otherwise, the hundreds of posts on the subject would be spread out all over the forum instead of minimized to one thread. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:08 Dandel Ion wrote: Well, mods insult people from time to time, stuff that's worse than "waste of life" too. Regular users too, but there is always the possibility it was just overlooked. What I don't understand is how this deserves it's own thread. There's a thread for discussing bans. Right below this one. I guess someone wants to show how incredibly justified this is supposed to be. And cause more drama on the way. Yay for more drama. Centralization. Makes the moderation easier when it's all in one place. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:04 R0YAL wrote: Innocent until proven guilty. Thats as fair as it gets. If Cruncher received a ban for this with no hard evidence of the fact, then tons of other people would be in an uproar saying how unjust and unfair it is. How can you compare that to this? "You got blinked" is no where near the degree of bm that calling someone a waste of life is. On top of that Nazgul and Huk said that in a game, not in the forums where it is against the rules to insult people in such ways. just regarding you response to scrim (since he is banned now he cant reply), the bm matter is pretty subjective. you cant say 'no where near the degree of bm that calling someone a waste of life is.' since you and me or anybody are not Nazgul/Huk/Idra. different people react differently to different bm. and your last line seems suggests that 'if you are doing bm in game but not on forum, you are fine'? then you seems to forget that this is a gaming forum. in the end of the day tho, bm is bm. | ||
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Thurr
Norway1 Post
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On May 08 2011 09:10 elmizzt wrote: No, there is a thread for it because otherwise, the hundreds of posts on the subject would be spread out all over the forum instead of minimized to one thread. If there was no thread, half the people wouldn't even have heard about this. I certainly found out through this thread. | ||
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howerpower
United States619 Posts
Idra didn't tell anyone to harass you, he told them to contact you about the ban. It's funny how you think cheating on the ladder is no big deal. twitter: "wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you" I think things like this need to be added to the OP, pretty one-sided. maybe give the whole story? | ||
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roknir
United States7 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:11 pStar wrote: This is honestly ridiculous. How is that ok in anyway? I wonder why this hasn't been addressed in any way too. | ||
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Medrea
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