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Kassploj
Sweden67 Posts
Idra's stream will still be listed in the stream section. Our stream list is an informational resource much like the TLPD, Calendar, or Liquipedia. We believe for these resources to function properly, they must be comprehensive and complete and thus we do not remove banned pro players from them. Scan's stream is and was removed from the streaming section. Just sayin'. | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
Isn't this like finding the answers to a test and when you get caught with the answers to the test in ur pocket saying "well i never looked at them" ? Meh the ban was just an e-flex. Idk why a player cannot have an opinion on some1 else especially, in just a "heat of the moment" context. Then a mod felt like he should flex his forum muscles to try to put some1 in check... and then idra responded with "lol spam him my minions" Did Tyler get a 2 day ban for what he said about Colbi? Or does every pro get a 2day ban everytime they say another player is bad ? This is just one of those "we will make an example of the most recognized Bm'er to show we won't tolerate it" and then "will u say sorry at least?" "no" "90 day ban!!" | ||
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scrim
Germany39 Posts
I think they should ban themselves for that, it was totally uncalled for. Humiliating people on twitter, way to lead the community. | ||
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Nick_54
United States2230 Posts
You have to take the good with the bad and I dont think a temp ban will change anything, so I'd probably just leave him alone or perma ban him if he was that bad. Obviously though, he will not ever be permanently banned so I dont see much point in this ban. | ||
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kHaza
Great Britain55 Posts
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Omoplata
United States42 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:29 Chill wrote: I'm biased towards evidence. He had the stream open to get into the game with Idra. The second sentence there is enough to make even the most skeptical person suspicious. | ||
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artanis2
United States732 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:25 Monolithic- wrote: You're just being stubborn. It was quite obvious that cruncher knew what idra was doing and he prepared perfectly for it. I don't see how cruncher being connected to idra's stream isn't proof enough. If he wasn't cheating and cared to avoid any accusations he would have closed the stream as soon as he was matched with idra. No, you're being stubborn. Any competent player would've countered IdrA's allin and Cruncher did it. Cruncher was streaming at the same time, so you could see him obviously bring SC2 forward over top of his firefox window where IdrA's stream was. At no point did he leave the SC2 game, or bring focus to the firefox window in order to unmute or view IdrA's stream. | ||
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diverzee
Sweden992 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:24 NicolBolas wrote: Some people are allowed to be jerks and get away with it to a degree. And that's understandable. Idra's a progamer, he has significant contributions to the SC2 community, and there's a reason to cut such people slack. But even for them, there are lines that cannot be crossed. And essentially attacking TeamLiquid.net itself, by encouraging harassment of moderators, is one of those lines. Even if you don't agree with the initial 2-day ban that started this, that cannot justify Idra's later actions against the forum itself. Indeed, some might say that a 90-day ban is showing restraint; most people would have gotten an IP-ban on the spot for inciting harassment of mods. Now, what did he actually do? Idra called someone a waste of life (iirc), and pretty much anyone watching the stream had an initial, very human reaction, thinking "what an asshole cruncher is". So Idra posts something with a meaning not far from what most people in his situation's posts would have had. Not worth a ban. Perhaps Idra is a jerk, perhaps it's just one manifestation of his personality. He should've been allowed to express his personality on the forum, and for his fans. So Idra tells his army to PM chill. So what, noone can prove what his intentions were. Idra can't send PMs himself, so he asks for someone else to complain for him. Now, we're speaking of 15k viewers backing up his belief cruncher was a cheat, and that Idra's post showed an accurate position on Cruncher's actions. Not hard to see why people are unhappy Idra is the one being punished, being silenced, and being unable to express his personality and emotions. This 90 day ban is made out of spite, and because of the staff's pride. | ||
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Tranqje
Belgium89 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:32 SwordfishConspiracy wrote: What do you mean? He literally said that on his Twitter "wont be streaming for 2 days as i have been banned from tl for insulting cruncher, everyone pm Chill if this upsets you" http://twitter.com/#!/idrajit/status/66276394849673216 It sais to PM Chill if you're upset because of his ban. it doesn't say to spam and harras him. for all we know he could have encouraged a friendly debate. is that a load of crap? most likely, yes. but you can't really prove it ^^ | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:26 Dandel Ion wrote: Oh, well if he SAID so. I guess it's okay then, keep encouraging obviously-not-cheating people. oh but he was cheating because idra SAID so? | ||
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pStar
996 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:33 Morfildur wrote: Believing and proving are two different things. No judge would put someone in prison because he "was probably doing something bad". Either there is a proof or not, and it's up to the claimant to deliver the definitive proof. I agree with the decision of the TL Mods, IdrA needs to stop his BM. I bet if he apologized and gave a reason like "I had just lost 10 games in a row", "I just got rejected by a girl" or whatever, the mods would definatly reduce the ban duration. If he doesn't, well, personally i won't miss his posts on this forum. Banning his stream would punish him more (and imho too much), as because of his "commercial after every game" i sometimes have the feeling he does it just for the money... and at least one time that i tuned in he said "ok, and now a commercial because i like money"... which i consider ironic as he - quite a while ago - flamed a well known caster for "doing it just for the money". I still think the current solution is the best, maybe he will learn his lesson. But if there was enough evidence then he would put him in prison yes? | ||
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Finrod1
Germany3997 Posts
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switch-
Canada15 Posts
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:33 Morfildur wrote: Believing and proving are two different things. No judge would put someone in prison because he "was probably doing something bad". Either there is a proof or not, and it's up to the claimant to deliver the definitive proof. If I had the power to, I'd put this post in one of those highlighted boxes at the top of the thread. | ||
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Lunchador
United States776 Posts
Streaming is kind of like throwing out some of your personal information on the whole world wide web, or it's kind of like signing a license to use any product really. And the one thing they always stress about those things is you are responsible for whatever !@#$ you get yourself into using said product. So, you become a big name player, and your stream is really popular. But you also carry with you an antagonist personality that so many people love to hate. People out there are gonna do nasty !@#$ to you out of spite. No other reason needed, really. It is the internet, after all. What's stopping anyone from openly "streamhacking" on you if you're the one willingly showing everyone what you're doing? It's obviously bad for other known players to get caught streamhacking, but that never ever 100% eliminates the possibility of pulling it off on you. Ultimately, it's up to you to protect yourself from getting streamhacked either by throwing up a stream delay (although that could mess with openly chatting with your fans, now that I think about it...) or not streaming at all. If you did get streamhacked, it's your own fault really, or... you don't care if you lost a ladder match (*looks around himself for that sneaky Tasteless!*). | ||
KwarK
United States43774 Posts
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Primal666
Slovenia418 Posts
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:21 kasumimi wrote: IdrA has contributed absolutely nothing to the community, besides encouraging whine and bad manner, imbalance discussions and calling day9 (who is contributing his life to the community) stupid in his face. I am in awe that there are so many people supporting and look up to him, as he has nothing to show besides being a player who blames his losses on imbalance and dozens of idiotic defeats in major tournaments. Banning him for 90 days changes nothing unfortunately. I think idra have brought in more fans to the community than any other proplayer, so that a pretty stupied statement. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On May 08 2011 07:34 Omoplata wrote: The second sentence there is enough to make even the most skeptical person suspicious. its super common for players to have streams open - even in tournaments - and mute them when they play a match which is streamed / vs the guy streaming. | ||
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Carnagath
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