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On November 05 2010 05:49 Catch wrote:
Hey thanks for all the advice guys, don't worry about hurting my pride or something. It's why I asked :D
Anyways, to be honest I really wouldn't mind switching yet I don't think I could handle 3 full body work outs a week which is why I never did starting strength to begin with, ya know? Then again, I don't know much about how the program is set up. So is it set up to allow appropriate recovery time in between the work outs or what?
Fullbody 3x is way superior for beginners and intermediates.
You should only be doing splits if you are extremely strong/big already or are an athlete who would otherwise have recovery problems doing full body work.
On November 05 2010 05:30 decafchicken wrote:
So is it possible for me to get significantly stronger without putting on weight? I mean i know i put on a lot of strength and lost ~10+ pounds over the summer but that was pretty much all fat. I'm thinking in sports terms that if i can exert more force with less body weight i will be more explosive and therefore better?
Yes.
How do you think anyone who competes in a weight class sport gets strong without gaining weight and moving up to the next ewight class?
The fact that people in my Oly weight lifting division (if I competed) can clean and jerk nearly 3x their bodyweight is INSANE. Snatching around 2.25x or so too... sick nasty.
I'm nowhere near as strong as these freaks of nature. 
In gneeral, optimal weight will depend on your combo of genetics and height..... the tendency for people wanting to work bdoyweight skills is to be lighter and that of couse is true to some extent. For sprinting which is bodyweight you tend to want to land somewhere in the 160-200 range if you want to be fast.
For bodyweight skills from what I've seen you tend to want to be 120-160 for to maximize strength to bodyweight ratios for this stuff.
Other sports have their combos of different bodyweights. For example, american football has their runnign backs usually 200-220ish, linebackers are like 240-280, corners/WR are variable all over the place. High jumpers are REALLY skinny for their height. Basketball players are obviously really tall.....
Depends on your goals really. Remember, the weight depends on your combo of height too.
I'm 5'8' 135 right now which is pretty light... eventualyl I would be much stronger if I could put on about 10-15 lbs of mass on or so. That's my goal over the next couple years while bringing my strength up more.
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Today's workout, shoulders still fried from monday's benching.
Push Press: 60kg x 5 and 70kg x 4 (+3 kg -1 rep)
DB Shoulder Press: 25kg x 6 (sliiiiiiiight improvement)
SHIPS: 50kg x 8 (+2 reps)
BB Curl: 50kg x 10 (+2 reps)
Felt like shit but still making progress...guess I can't complain. Bodyweight up to 89.0kg.
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I.
Got.
Weak.
Ugh. Today was the first day of a 20%~ reset, and I barely got through my 90kg squats. I guess a week and a half in bed will do that to a person, but that was depressing. It was especially bad after my dream of squatting 150 x 10.
I dream about stupid things.
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eshlow.
I'm like 165cm
and I weight rougly 70kg.
What is my combo ;O?
I play soccer (seldomly and swim). :D?
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I'm 6 foot, ~198lbs, this is about average isn't it?
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I'm 235 a still counting up. nom nom nom nom. Finally, I can devote myself to the gym and bodybuilding. I' can do pullups, 25kg dumbells for shoulders and been repping bench weights I could before only count as 1RM
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while we're on the subject id also like to know what the best weight compared to height would be for a soccer player. Im 6'2 and 155lb atm, ive already made massive improvements to my speed thnx to barbell workouts, and id like to get even faster/more agile while also being strong in general, and wouldnt mind bulking up a bit either. Should i eat lots and try to bulk up or will this hinder my soccer abilities?
After getting back into serious lifting for almost a month now, I found that my problem w/ squats wasnt because of soccer or overtraining, but because of my form. Im feeling much better about squats (and lifting in general) now that Im improving form and can actually increase steadily instead of deloading all the time 
current lifts: (all 3x5 in pounds, except for deadlift 2x5)
squat 140
deadlift 200
bench 105
press 80
Press has been giving me a bit of trouble though, I believe this is also due to bad form. Ive watched vids/read tutorials on it, and im pretty sure Im not locking out the weight far enough back behind my head. Im actually physically unable to do so, specially not with a heavy weight in my hands. I guess im just really inflexible or weak in the shoulders/back or whatever it is that needs to be flexed there. Can anyone recommend me good stretches or techniques to overcome this problem? Thanks in advance
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On November 05 2010 14:34 FyRe_DragOn wrote:while we're on the subject id also like to know what the best weight compared to height would be for a soccer player. Im 6'2 and 155lb atm, ive already made massive improvements to my speed thnx to barbell workouts, and id like to get even faster/more agile while also being strong in general, and wouldnt mind bulking up a bit either. Should i eat lots and try to bulk up or will this hinder my soccer abilities? After getting back into serious lifting for almost a month now, I found that my problem w/ squats wasnt because of soccer or overtraining, but because of my form. Im feeling much better about squats (and lifting in general) now that Im improving form and can actually increase steadily instead of deloading all the time current lifts: (all 3x5 in pounds, except for deadlift 2x5) squat 140 deadlift 200 bench 105 press 80 Press has been giving me a bit of trouble though, I believe this is also due to bad form. Ive watched vids/read tutorials on it, and im pretty sure Im not locking out the weight far enough back behind my head. Im actually physically unable to do so, specially not with a heavy weight in my hands. I guess im just really inflexible or weak in the shoulders/back or whatever it is that needs to be flexed there. Can anyone recommend me good stretches or techniques to overcome this problem? Thanks in advance
I believe it won't hurt you one bit if you pack on 10-20 pounds of good weight. Just keep lifting heavy and explosively and your speed on the pitch will go up aswell.
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How much is 6'2?
We weight almost the same.
Are your lifts in lbs or kg?
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haha guys. Like I said.... optimal weight depends a bit on your genetics. Don';t know what your guys is but if you're not looking like the elite guys in your sport you could probably use some more mass.
If you're in a running/jumping sport (bball, soccer/football, rugby, american football, etc) and don't have legs that look like 100m or 200m sprinters you could probably use some more mass there.
Generally, aesthetics follow function so there ya go.
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fawk..
yesterday was me missing 5/5/5 for the 2nd time in a row on my overhead press
first attempt was 5/3/4 (increased rest time for 3rd set by 60sec)
yesterday was 5/4+1/4+1 (the +1's are me push-pressing for last rep, i wanted 5 lol).
hopefully next time i'll hit 5/5/5 otherwise i guess this qualifies as a stalled lift (my first one T_T)
i've been really skimping on sleep for the past week or so though, getting about 6hr/night. i'm sure that hasn't helped. i'll make sure to rest up seriously for my 3rd try, heh.
iirc, i should stay on SS until my squat/DL stall/reset 1-2 times, but im pretty sure my press will stall before that (if it didn't already) so what the hell am i supposed to do with it in the meantime? keep trying @ same weight? keep resetting?
p.s. reading this thread is quite a bit of fun, especially decaf's enthusiasm =D
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a lot of responses here about this...
yeah, I guess you can just eat maintenance levels, but man do the strength gains come slowly then...
also, I feel I should introduce myself since I post here every now and then
I'm 21 years old, weigh about 80kg atm, and am 184cm tall.
I've been training for about 2 years now, I started out weighing 60kg and pretty much a stick. In this time, I've learnt and researched a lot about training and nutrition and feel very confidant in my ability to manipulate my diet and trainings to accomplish different things. It has taken me a long time to get a routine going in which I started making gains again... I just wish I had known about SS when I started out, could have been at this level so much earlier.... Ain't hindsight a bitch. I found this thread a while ago, and it inspired me to do a 10 week bulk session where I drank 3L of milk a day and added squats to my workouts.
Anyway, these are my core lifts as of today:
Benchpress: 75kg 5x5 (improved from 67.5kg 10 weeks ago)
Squats: (started at 40kg 10 weeks ago) 72.5 kg 5x5
Deadlift: 100kg (although I feel my technique is shitty, gonna try a reset to better it)
My body weight went from about 72kg to 80kg in the 10 weeks of gaining.
For now my plan is to do a 5 week diet session before christmas to lean off some of the fat gains and hopefully expose my abs (I estimate I'm about 14% bodyfat atm). Hoping to try taking a picture everyday and see the progress.
anyway, longer post than I intended, but hi guys!
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I heart squats
10x225 8x260 6x285,310,335,360
OHP
3x5 @ 140 (determined to raise my ohp a lot in the next few weeks, feel like its lagging back)
BB Rows
6x 135 155 175 185 185 185
And finished with weighted chins and some dips(i have like 8 months of dips to catch up on) and core
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For Height comparison Funkie:
Each foot (first number) has twelve inches (second number) and each inch is worth 2.54 centimeters. So at 165 centimeters, you would be roughly 5'5. By comparison, I've got almost a foot on you (I'm 6'4) an that works out to 193 centimeters. 6'2 would be ~188 cm. I just broke 165 pounds... but I'm not beast mode like you just yet =(. Some day, I want to be able to say I weigh 200 pounds. But that's years from now.
Also - there's a gym right next door to where we go to do laundry here, so I took an unexpected trip in while my room mate was washing his costume for the party tonight. Feeling AWESOME now!
Deadlift 3x5x205 (+20 pounds from last workout)
Bench 3x5x135 (+10 pounds from last workout, also passed the point I've been stuck at)
Also did incline press, standing rows, and some other stuff with dumbbells, but that was average. Those lifts up there make me feel like a CHAMP. Just gotta be careful with that deadlift form. So unfortunate that I can't squat in that gym (no rack T_T) because I'm sure I could have gotten back to my 185, regardless of my knee. I don't get to squat enough =(.
Going grocery shopping tomorrow too. I've opened up a lot of my schedule, so I finally have time to eat things that are not takeout, or on-campus fast food. EXCITING!!!
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Squat, 1x340
Bench, 1x255
Deadlift, 1x405
Reaching 1000, priceless.
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On November 06 2010 10:01 phyre112 wrote:I've got almost a foot on you (I'm 6'4) an that works out to 193 centimeters. 6'2 would be ~188 cm. I just broke 165 pounds... but I'm not beast mode like you just yet =(. Some day, I want to be able to say I weigh 200 pounds. But that's years from now.
I'm 6 foot, and went from 178ish in May to 198 now. Years? Na bro, lift hard, eat hard, you'll be huge before you know it.
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On November 06 2010 14:34 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Squat, 1x340
Bench, 1x255
Deadlift, 1x405
Reaching 1000, priceless.
Sick life. Mad props dude...getting HUGE
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On November 06 2010 14:34 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Squat, 1x340
Bench, 1x255
Deadlift, 1x405
Reaching 1000, priceless.
Mad props is the word! Great work!!
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I'm like.
Squat 3x5 220lbs
Deadlift 3x5 220lbs
Bench 3x5 154lbs.
Reaching..(almost) 600.
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On November 06 2010 22:54 funkie wrote:I'm like. Squat 3x5 220lbs Deadlift 3x5 220lbs Bench 3x5 154lbs. Reaching..(almost) 600.
Squat 3x5 205
DL 3x5 255
Bench (close to) 3x5 195
655...
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