I disagree. I think it's partially cultural and mostly hormonal. There's always the fear of getting big/bulky/manly from lifting weights, but this cannot be the sole reason why it's so rare to see women training with barbells. Certainly there are individual women who can do it, but a majority of them just don't have the drive/instinct necessary to have any desire to lift weights properly. A majority of men don't either, but a smaller majority. It takes a certain mentality to get under the bar and perform a true 3rm/5rm/whatever rm set of properly done squats and most people just don't have the toughness to do it on a consistent basis. Having, on average, less testosterone makes it even less likely an individual can do this.
We give athletes testosterone so they can train harder, have more drive and desire to train, prevent injury, and fuel recovery. It should reasonably follow then that since men have more testosterone, on average they have more desire to train and to train harder.
Just to be clear here, are you giving some kind of biological basis for women to be lazy in the weight room?
On November 03 2010 23:52 sJarl wrote: On a side note: Is anyone here into powerlifting?
As a sport not really. Most people here are on some compound lift routine, but everyone has their reasons. Decaf is into rugby, Dimsum is an olympic lifter, Funkie is just working on his strength, and Eshlow is doing all of that crazy shit that we saw him do on Youtube. I personally just want to get as big and strong as possible, and if I decided to go any specific lifting route, it would be olympic.
I don't know how much people around these parts really like what powerlifting has become in modern times.
Edit:
Ready to start the advanced novice program this Friday. Thanks to pneumonia I've had to take two weeks off, and I'm probably as weak as a little girl right now. I'm going to deload 20% on all lifts just to be safe. All I know right now is that I gotta bulk up again; I lost a good five kilograms when I was sick in bed. At least I'm confident that my muscle mass will come back quickly again.
Once this finishes I guess I'm going to start the Texas Method, or maybe Madcow's 5x5. I'm still torn here, but the Texas Method includes a reaaaaaaaaaaally busy workout one day a week, and I'm not so sure I have the time for it. Seriously, five sets of 90% 5RM squats with 6 minutes of rest between each, then the same with bench press or press, plus a set of deadlifts. That would take like an hour and a half.
Once this finishes I guess I'm going to start the Texas Method, or maybe Madcow's 5x5. I'm still torn here, but the Texas Method includes a reaaaaaaaaaaally busy workout one day a week, and I'm not so sure I have the time for it. Seriously, five sets of 90% 5RM squats with 6 minutes of rest between each, then the same with bench press or press, plus a set of deadlifts. That would take like an hour and a half.
I take an hour and a half for just flat bench and close grip...
But pneumonia sucks big time, you get so weak after it. Just take it easy for the first sessions and get in the routine again and your stats will fly up again. Where are your lifts at now (or before you got sick)?
Once this finishes I guess I'm going to start the Texas Method, or maybe Madcow's 5x5. I'm still torn here, but the Texas Method includes a reaaaaaaaaaaally busy workout one day a week, and I'm not so sure I have the time for it. Seriously, five sets of 90% 5RM squats with 6 minutes of rest between each, then the same with bench press or press, plus a set of deadlifts. That would take like an hour and a half.
I take an hour and a half for just flat bench and close grip...
But pneumonia sucks big time, you get so weak after it. Just take it easy for the first sessions and get in the routine again and your stats will fly up again. Where are your lifts at now (or before you got sick)?
The timing was good I guess; if I had to get sick, it might as well have been right at the end of my Starting Strength linear progression.
On November 03 2010 23:52 sJarl wrote: On a side note: Is anyone here into powerlifting?
I enjoy the power lifts like dl/squat/bench but would never do it competitively because a) best rugby player i can be =/= best powerlifter i can be b) i hate all the suits and wraps and techniques used in it. when i do my lifts i do them to get the most gains i can get out of them not to put up the highest numbers i can. this lift:+ Show Spoiler +
I disagree. I think it's partially cultural and mostly hormonal. There's always the fear of getting big/bulky/manly from lifting weights, but this cannot be the sole reason why it's so rare to see women training with barbells. Certainly there are individual women who can do it, but a majority of them just don't have the drive/instinct necessary to have any desire to lift weights properly. A majority of men don't either, but a smaller majority. It takes a certain mentality to get under the bar and perform a true 3rm/5rm/whatever rm set of properly done squats and most people just don't have the toughness to do it on a consistent basis. Having, on average, less testosterone makes it even less likely an individual can do this.
We give athletes testosterone so they can train harder, have more drive and desire to train, prevent injury, and fuel recovery. It should reasonably follow then that since men have more testosterone, on average they have more desire to train and to train harder.
Just to be clear here, are you giving some kind of biological basis for women to be lazy in the weight room?
Not lazy, just less inclined to pick twice their bodyweight off the ground.
My DL was up to 285x3 in early '07 after about 4-5 sessions of lifting, but have since had some knee problems and other issues... hope to get going again soon. Pretty much could do 2x bodyweight right off the bat from the strength I've had from bodyweight strength exercises. Would like to get it up to 400 lbs for the 3x bodyweight.
Also, Broz has 800 lbs ATG squat of Pat on his youtube now too
@RosaParks: Those are pretty nice stats. Also, I'd not be to stuck up with precentages and rather go with whatever feels right.
@Decaf: Of course being a good rugby player is top priority for you (and from what I've read you are doing pretty good at it too!). And those 90 minutes didn't feel long, just took my time between the sets. But it could've been done alot faster.
Squat cleans 3x 135 155 175 185 195 205 215 225 Incline bench 5x 185 205 205 205 195 Pull ups + 25lbs 8,5,5,5 So then i go to our conditioning practice 22 hill sprints (~15-20m) 6 partner carries up hill and 40 minutes of sprints/sit ups/push ups
Still standing somehow (after heavy squats monday and heavy deads yesterday as well) Overtraining? Probably. Am i going to cry tomorrow? Likely. Do i feel awesome? Definitely I'm seriously going to run over, through, and around everyone next weekend no matter what.
Lots of recovery tomorrow. Except for practice (lol. hopefully its ezpz)
edit: eshlow you make me feel like a little girl and i'm like twice your size
Squat: 100kg (who's your daddy) Benchpress: 65kg. Deadlift: 90kg.
It's so shitty that I can't get over 90-95kg on deadlift without my hands killing me . I bought some chalk, but it will arrive sometime december rofl
I feel awesome cause I hit 100kg again, and felt no pain, no nothing, I was so fucking energetic today, despite having a shitty "feel-like-shit" day :o!
It's like I'M AWESOME all of the sudden :D
I also did, L-Pullups and knees-to-elbows ;P. that worked wonders.