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Stormich
Profile Joined August 2003
Croatia336 Posts
November 01 2010 15:00 GMT
#3261
I've been out of the gym for some time now, still maintaing at same weight, got 10 more kg to drop. My XR rings came the other day and I'm wondering if a routine like

XR pushups
XR rows
Dips
Inverted curls
HeSPU
Pull up

3 times a week looks good? I plan to progress with exercises as per "Gymnastic bodies". I'm not sure if I should 3x5 or 5x5 yet. Also I'm not really interested in the static strength positions. Leg work isn't that important to me but I'm gonna be riding a bike/doing some HIIT here and there, should I incorporate BW squats -> pistons too?
hi
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
November 01 2010 15:11 GMT
#3262
On November 01 2010 20:14 mofoo wrote:
This is the first post in this thread. I have not read the entire thread. So this question may already be answered elsewhere. In that case I'm sorry for the repeat.

+ Show Spoiler [Who am I and what do I know about Heal…] +
I've been working out like all my life. I've read and know a lot on the subject. I'm the go to guy when my friends want to know something or to be inspired to work out.

I knew that I'd exercise less after SC2 launch. But I've kept going strong. Before SC2 launch I was at the gym or tracks 4-5 days a week. Now it is more like 3. But I consider that well above average.

This is me before SC2 launch.
http://gogo-martin.blogspot.com/2010/07/pre-starcraft-2-shape.html

I'm currently low diamond (1100-1200) at EU server. 200+ bonus points.


I wonder if any of you have this "problem"..

After a session at the gym. Do you feel like your mouse movements are sloppy, you feel tired and can't get that gaming focus?

I've experienced that a couple of times now, and it is rather annoying. It would be a shame if I can't play after working out.

Anyone else experienced this?

Woho a swede!! And a good looking one as well, holy shit! O__O

I just drink some nice protein drink and stretch my forearms and then I'm good to go after a workout. But I only do this after I've been deadlifting, otherwise I don't need it.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
November 01 2010 16:19 GMT
#3263
On November 01 2010 13:54 Drowsy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2010 12:52 funkie wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:47 Drowsy wrote:
Yeah you're doing something wrong in the press if you can press more than you pc and weigh only 65kg. There's like no way to press near bw after that little time training. Even push pressing that after how little you've been training and how little you weigh would be extremely impressive.


Well, I usually do my PC after my press, so I'm pretty sore after it and well, I haven't added much weight to PC, but it should be around the same.

Yes, I do it from chest height, and up. Maybe I should take a video?


That won't have much to do with it, everyone does pc last and the way your traps/shoulders are used in the press won't have a dramatic impact on powerclean performance. It's like 99% impossible to press that much correctly after a few months of training and weighing only 65kg, take a video, I'd like to see it. Even push pressing or push jerking that after only 2-3 months would be amazing.

On an unrelated note, I'm sick too Dimsum. I was just sick literally a month ago and it took me a full 3 weeks to get my squat back up. I also dug up this article on vitamin C and colds: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/colds.html

There are some clinical studies showing that zinc can reduce length/severity of symptoms. But things like airborne and vitamin c are likely totally useless.


Yep, vitamin C is useless for colds.

But vitamin D isn't.

On November 02 2010 00:00 Stormer wrote:
I've been out of the gym for some time now, still maintaing at same weight, got 10 more kg to drop. My XR rings came the other day and I'm wondering if a routine like

XR pushups
XR rows
Dips
Inverted curls
HeSPU
Pull up

3 times a week looks good? I plan to progress with exercises as per "Gymnastic bodies". I'm not sure if I should 3x5 or 5x5 yet. Also I'm not really interested in the static strength positions. Leg work isn't that important to me but I'm gonna be riding a bike/doing some HIIT here and there, should I incorporate BW squats -> pistons too?


Um, do you have any goals?

This may help structuring stuff after you get some goals....
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2010/03/the-fundamentals-of-bodyweight-strength-training
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20023 Posts
November 01 2010 17:17 GMT
#3264
On November 01 2010 22:59 AoN.DimSum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 15:24 decafchicken wrote:
On November 01 2010 11:18 AoN.DimSum wrote:
bah im sick, i might not lift tomorrow


Bullshit dimsum. You're a fucking beast and you're going to let NOTHING get between you and hitting that lift. NOTHING. you will win.

I was sick for a month and the only i felt like a normal person was when i had 2x my body weight on my back or in my hands.

edit: if we win in two weeks i'm about to have the most INSANE off season ever because nationals are in the spring. I'm talking 20 pounds of raw muscle by may (hopefully by everyone on the team) I want to be rocking 6'1 at 220 lbs 8% body fat squatting 550, dl 585, bench 350 and faster than i already am (roughly 4.9-5.0 electric forty). alright i should stop now i'm shitfaced. i'm so happy we won regionals.



congrats decaf! any videos of regionals?:D


I think there might be...i know we video taped our opponents game the day before idk if we got film though. Here's an article on us/the midwest
http://www.rugbymag.com/news/colleges/men-dii-college/midwest-dii-down-to-four.aspx
Thats my roomate on the cover picture, mother fucker scored 5 times.

Btw i love my fucking absurd goals my drunk persona set for myself. 125 pounds on squat and deads in 6 months? HERE I COME
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
November 01 2010 20:42 GMT
#3265
On November 02 2010 02:17 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 22:59 AoN.DimSum wrote:
On November 01 2010 15:24 decafchicken wrote:
On November 01 2010 11:18 AoN.DimSum wrote:
bah im sick, i might not lift tomorrow


Bullshit dimsum. You're a fucking beast and you're going to let NOTHING get between you and hitting that lift. NOTHING. you will win.

I was sick for a month and the only i felt like a normal person was when i had 2x my body weight on my back or in my hands.

edit: if we win in two weeks i'm about to have the most INSANE off season ever because nationals are in the spring. I'm talking 20 pounds of raw muscle by may (hopefully by everyone on the team) I want to be rocking 6'1 at 220 lbs 8% body fat squatting 550, dl 585, bench 350 and faster than i already am (roughly 4.9-5.0 electric forty). alright i should stop now i'm shitfaced. i'm so happy we won regionals.



congrats decaf! any videos of regionals?:D


I think there might be...i know we video taped our opponents game the day before idk if we got film though. Here's an article on us/the midwest
http://www.rugbymag.com/news/colleges/men-dii-college/midwest-dii-down-to-four.aspx
Thats my roomate on the cover picture, mother fucker scored 5 times.

Btw i love my fucking absurd goals my drunk persona set for myself. 125 pounds on squat and deads in 6 months? HERE I COME


No excuses. I'm holding you accountable. Hit dat dem dere weights, son.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
November 01 2010 20:53 GMT
#3266
On November 01 2010 21:42 funkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2010 13:54 Drowsy wrote:
On October 31 2010 12:52 funkie wrote:
On October 31 2010 06:47 Drowsy wrote:
Yeah you're doing something wrong in the press if you can press more than you pc and weigh only 65kg. There's like no way to press near bw after that little time training. Even push pressing that after how little you've been training and how little you weigh would be extremely impressive.


Well, I usually do my PC after my press, so I'm pretty sore after it and well, I haven't added much weight to PC, but it should be around the same.

Yes, I do it from chest height, and up. Maybe I should take a video?


That won't have much to do with it, everyone does pc last and the way your traps/shoulders are used in the press won't have a dramatic impact on powerclean performance. It's like 99% impossible to press that much correctly after a few months of training and weighing only 65kg, take a video, I'd like to see it. Even push pressing or push jerking that after only 2-3 months would be amazing.


Well, yes, after my 4 warmup sets my workset (60kg), is mainly me push pressing it. ;P


I'll take a video.



Yeah that would explain it. Push press is probably a better lift overall, the main reason Rip has strict presses written in is because push pressing will eventually potentially interfere with your squats since driving the bar up uses the same muscles as the ones you squat with.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
November 01 2010 23:26 GMT
#3267
Today's workout:

BB Bench Press: 77,5kg 5x5 (+2,5kg! Up from 60kg 5x5 on September 13th)
Close Grip: 70kg x 8 and 75kg x 8 (+7,5!!! Was happy with the first set but engaged insanity mode and crushed my old all time PR!)
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-02 01:09:32
November 02 2010 01:06 GMT
#3268
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RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-02 04:37:00
November 02 2010 04:34 GMT
#3269
edit: shit after checking BMI calculator im soon going to be in the overweight range if im not careful.


BMI is worthless.


im doing as much pushups as i can and that+ the above stated are basically my whole exercise schedule lol.
what can i do to optimize this and make it more 'legit'.
want to get rid of overall excess fat, especially at stomach. also want to get pecs going (whats good for these?)... man boobs are going to show soon which is bad.


You don't have a barbell gym available to you? No heavier dumbbells to work with?

To lose weight, diet is the most important thing. Just don't eat any carbohydrates aside from the trace amounts found in your green vegetables, cut out ALL sugar including (especially including) high fructose corn syrup, and snack on nuts if you get hungry.

With a heavy lifting program and this diet, fat practically melts off of you.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20023 Posts
November 02 2010 04:37 GMT
#3270
Had the most ridiculously inspired workout today. At the top of every rep i just say to myself "NATIONALS". Despite a charlie horse and a minor pull in my ham string i had a great squat workout of
8x225,235,265,285,315,330
And then did some OHP (trying to do this at least twice a week till i put on some seriously shoulder strength) for 3x5 @ 135
And then some pull ups 4xfailure
and then a few sets of planks and weighted sit ups
and then i still had more energy so i benched 3x5 @ 225
And now i still have more energy

BEAST MODE for the next 10 days or so. I really hope we win (which we should) because i'm ready to ride this hype train all the way to may. Otherwise i'll just be really sad

On November 02 2010 05:42 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 02:17 decafchicken wrote:
On November 01 2010 22:59 AoN.DimSum wrote:
On November 01 2010 15:24 decafchicken wrote:
On November 01 2010 11:18 AoN.DimSum wrote:
bah im sick, i might not lift tomorrow


Bullshit dimsum. You're a fucking beast and you're going to let NOTHING get between you and hitting that lift. NOTHING. you will win.

I was sick for a month and the only i felt like a normal person was when i had 2x my body weight on my back or in my hands.

edit: if we win in two weeks i'm about to have the most INSANE off season ever because nationals are in the spring. I'm talking 20 pounds of raw muscle by may (hopefully by everyone on the team) I want to be rocking 6'1 at 220 lbs 8% body fat squatting 550, dl 585, bench 350 and faster than i already am (roughly 4.9-5.0 electric forty). alright i should stop now i'm shitfaced. i'm so happy we won regionals.



congrats decaf! any videos of regionals?:D


I think there might be...i know we video taped our opponents game the day before idk if we got film though. Here's an article on us/the midwest
http://www.rugbymag.com/news/colleges/men-dii-college/midwest-dii-down-to-four.aspx
Thats my roomate on the cover picture, mother fucker scored 5 times.

Btw i love my fucking absurd goals my drunk persona set for myself. 125 pounds on squat and deads in 6 months? HERE I COME


No excuses. I'm holding you accountable. Hit dat dem dere weights, son.


Yessir. I'll do it for you (not that i should need any extra motivation)

On November 02 2010 10:06 krndandaman wrote:
im at a boarding school with only 10/15/20 pound small dumbbells for curling and whatnot

me and the guys here trying to get a good exercise schedule going.
ive only been here a month, rest of the guys have only been working their arms with those dumbbells so alot of them have pretty big arms but nothing else.

we play soccer or basketball every other day or so for 1-2 hours. if not we run on our own for a mile or 2.

im doing as much pushups as i can and that+ the above stated are basically my whole exercise schedule lol.
what can i do to optimize this and make it more 'legit'.
want to get rid of overall excess fat, especially at stomach. also want to get pecs going (whats good for these?)... man boobs are going to show soon which is bad.

17 years old, 5'8,158 pounds if that matters

edit: shit after checking BMI calculator im soon going to be in the overweight range if im not careful.


If you have any access to a barbell that'd be awesome. a few light dumbells aren't gonna do a whole lot for you.
Big arms are fairly useless unless you just plan on standing around girls while wearing too small t-shirts.
If you want to lose fat, do hi intensity training like circuits or sprints. Combine this with a ~300-500 calorie deficit every day and you'll get pretty ripped.
If you want pecs you need to bench. Other wise i guess you just have to do increasingly difficult push ups?
Sounds like bodyweight exercises are a good option for you like these:
http://www.dragondoor.com/articler/mode3/229/
Some other good ones are manna and pistols. Ask eshlow and travis for more info on that branch, i'm more of a weights guy.
And BMI is retarded, according to that i'm borderline obese (lolz) when i'm in super good shape. Body fat % is a better indicator.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
November 02 2010 05:38 GMT
#3271
So I'm up 17 pounds in two months of training. As far as I can tell, it's at least majority lean mass, as I'm not seeing an increase in body fat. Room mate is a wrestler, has been lifting for four or five years, nutrition minor, concerned with diet, drinks protein shakes, works out on a six-day split, has to stay in a weight class, blah blah blah. Basically, dude's experienced and pretty jacked. Saw me with no shirt while I was walking to the shower the other day and promptly announces "F*** YOU MAN, you're double the size you were when we got here." Refuses to speak to me about gym ever since.

Knee allows me to squat maybe once a week - and with reduced weight from what I could be doing. I'm making absolutely no progress on this lift compared to how I was/should be, and it's making me ANGRY. RAWR. Oh well. I'll get it looked at when I go home - in the mean time, I can at least work on improving my form. Maybe I'll take a video next time I'm up to squatting and get some feedback from all of you.

BMI is lolzy. It's telling me that (touch under 6'4, 165 pounds) I'm on the upper end of "normal" body weight, and that, should I hit my goal (185, BUT THAT'S JUST A NUMBER) I'll be considered borderline overweight. BS. I've seen 200 pound men at my height that don't appear overweight, let alone obese.

Also, I've been put in charge of the exercise of a close friend of mine - a girl I know here at Syracuse. Being a girl, she's not too terribly interested in what SS has to offer (lol) but she IS interested in losing weight, appearing fit, blah blah blah look good naked. I'm positive I can convince her to lift SOME weights in addition to the cardio that she'll want to do... but I need some resources as far as what we should be doing. Anyone have any helpful links?
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20023 Posts
November 02 2010 05:54 GMT
#3272
Thats my dad's alma mater!

If you can convince a girl to squat and deadlift that is such a huge win. Perfect legs and ass. Not to mention she'll burn fat and have a sexxxxxy core. God damn i wish they would all squat
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Drowsy
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States4876 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-02 06:17:55
November 02 2010 06:17 GMT
#3273
On November 02 2010 14:54 decafchicken wrote:
Thats my dad's alma mater!

If you can convince a girl to squat and deadlift that is such a huge win. Perfect legs and ass. Not to mention she'll burn fat and have a sexxxxxy core. God damn i wish they would all squat



An overwhelming majority of girls don't like doing physically hard things. Even if they knew that squatting/dling would help them reach their ass/legs goals, they'd still rather cardiobunny around.
Our Protoss, Who art in Aiur HongUn be Thy name; Thy stalker come, Thy will be blunk, on ladder as it is in Micro Tourny. Give us this win in our daily ladder, and forgive us our cheeses, As we forgive those who play zerg against us.
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-02 07:18:41
November 02 2010 07:14 GMT
#3274
On November 02 2010 15:17 Drowsy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 14:54 decafchicken wrote:
Thats my dad's alma mater!

If you can convince a girl to squat and deadlift that is such a huge win. Perfect legs and ass. Not to mention she'll burn fat and have a sexxxxxy core. God damn i wish they would all squat



An overwhelming majority of girls don't like doing physically hard things. Even if they knew that squatting/dling would help them reach their ass/legs goals, they'd still rather cardiobunny around.


This comes across as nothing more than sexism to be honest.

I think the problem lay more in society's expectation of women and definition of beauty: that smaller is better. The thinnest woman is considered the most beautiful woman, which is why women everywhere have such a distorted sense of health and ideal anatomy. Our society has warped their perceptions of beauty and told them that their primary focus should be burning fat off; they aren't lazy to only do cardio. They're just deathly afraid of putting on any weight through resistance training.

And anyway, who in their right mind would actually prefer cardio over weight lifting? I've never met a single person--man or woman--who liked to jump on the treadmill for an hour. It's boring, exhausting, and far more of a challenge than doing a set of five every few minutes.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
November 02 2010 11:33 GMT
#3275
On November 02 2010 16:14 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 15:17 Drowsy wrote:
On November 02 2010 14:54 decafchicken wrote:
Thats my dad's alma mater!

If you can convince a girl to squat and deadlift that is such a huge win. Perfect legs and ass. Not to mention she'll burn fat and have a sexxxxxy core. God damn i wish they would all squat



An overwhelming majority of girls don't like doing physically hard things. Even if they knew that squatting/dling would help them reach their ass/legs goals, they'd still rather cardiobunny around.


This comes across as nothing more than sexism to be honest.

I think the problem lay more in society's expectation of women and definition of beauty: that smaller is better. The thinnest woman is considered the most beautiful woman, which is why women everywhere have such a distorted sense of health and ideal anatomy. Our society has warped their perceptions of beauty and told them that their primary focus should be burning fat off; they aren't lazy to only do cardio. They're just deathly afraid of putting on any weight through resistance training.

And anyway, who in their right mind would actually prefer cardio over weight lifting? I've never met a single person--man or woman--who liked to jump on the treadmill for an hour. It's boring, exhausting, and far more of a challenge than doing a set of five every few minutes.


I hate running more than almost anything, but I still enjoy certain aspects of it (sprint intervals). Also, the rowing machine can turn you into jelly if you go hard at it, or at least, it does so to me :p
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20023 Posts
November 02 2010 11:40 GMT
#3276
On November 02 2010 16:14 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 15:17 Drowsy wrote:
On November 02 2010 14:54 decafchicken wrote:
Thats my dad's alma mater!

If you can convince a girl to squat and deadlift that is such a huge win. Perfect legs and ass. Not to mention she'll burn fat and have a sexxxxxy core. God damn i wish they would all squat



An overwhelming majority of girls don't like doing physically hard things. Even if they knew that squatting/dling would help them reach their ass/legs goals, they'd still rather cardiobunny around.


This comes across as nothing more than sexism to be honest.

I think the problem lay more in society's expectation of women and definition of beauty: that smaller is better. The thinnest woman is considered the most beautiful woman, which is why women everywhere have such a distorted sense of health and ideal anatomy. Our society has warped their perceptions of beauty and told them that their primary focus should be burning fat off; they aren't lazy to only do cardio. They're just deathly afraid of putting on any weight through resistance training.

And anyway, who in their right mind would actually prefer cardio over weight lifting? I've never met a single person--man or woman--who liked to jump on the treadmill for an hour. It's boring, exhausting, and far more of a challenge than doing a set of five every few minutes.


I actually have to agree with drowsy from my experience. Like 99% of girls i know just go treadmill/crunches and pretty much avoid weights like the plague.
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
ShAsTa
Profile Joined November 2002
Belgium2841 Posts
November 02 2010 12:34 GMT
#3277
On November 02 2010 20:40 decafchicken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2010 16:14 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
On November 02 2010 15:17 Drowsy wrote:
On November 02 2010 14:54 decafchicken wrote:
Thats my dad's alma mater!

If you can convince a girl to squat and deadlift that is such a huge win. Perfect legs and ass. Not to mention she'll burn fat and have a sexxxxxy core. God damn i wish they would all squat



An overwhelming majority of girls don't like doing physically hard things. Even if they knew that squatting/dling would help them reach their ass/legs goals, they'd still rather cardiobunny around.


This comes across as nothing more than sexism to be honest.

I think the problem lay more in society's expectation of women and definition of beauty: that smaller is better. The thinnest woman is considered the most beautiful woman, which is why women everywhere have such a distorted sense of health and ideal anatomy. Our society has warped their perceptions of beauty and told them that their primary focus should be burning fat off; they aren't lazy to only do cardio. They're just deathly afraid of putting on any weight through resistance training.

And anyway, who in their right mind would actually prefer cardio over weight lifting? I've never met a single person--man or woman--who liked to jump on the treadmill for an hour. It's boring, exhausting, and far more of a challenge than doing a set of five every few minutes.


I actually have to agree with drowsy from my experience. Like 99% of girls i know just go treadmill/crunches and pretty much avoid weights like the plague.

That's been my experience as well. It's a shame really 'cause I find slightly muscular girls very sexy.
If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
November 02 2010 12:43 GMT
#3278
I'm 70,4kg.

wtf?
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RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
November 02 2010 12:58 GMT
#3279
I'm talking about the reason why they don't hit the weights. I honestly think it has far less to do with it being "hard" than it does with what they feel it will do to their bodies.

Weightlifting is considered a masculine sport used for muscle growth. Women are told constantly that any amount of size on them is unacceptable. What do you think this is going to result in?
funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
November 02 2010 13:01 GMT
#3280
On November 02 2010 21:58 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
I'm talking about the reason why they don't hit the weights. I honestly think it has far less to do with it being "hard" than it does with what they feel it will do to their bodies.

Weightlifting is considered a masculine sport used for muscle growth. Women are told constantly that any amount of size on them is unacceptable. What do you think this is going to result in?


The admiration of the few who choose to do weights, not for their muscle strength but for the toning of their ass and legs.

FUCK YES.
CJ Entusman #6! · Strength is the basis of athletic ability. -Rippetoe /* http://j.mp/TL-App <- TL iPhone App 2.0! */
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