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damn some strong people here (lol i just found this thread)
i've actually been on ss for the past ~5 weeks or so, gained quite a bit of weight (more than i expected actually <,<) alongside some strength which was exactly what i'm looking for.. so, so far so good. still newbie gain stage = woot
a question: yesterday during squats, i got a weird feeling during the first set. kind of like a tightness in lower back? it felt really odd.. no pain or anything, it just felt like there was something there. and if i were to bend backwards, it just felt more odd. i have no idea how to explain it
it disappeared quite fast after the workout, and no sign of any pain or soreness since. is this the result of anything other than bad squat form? i think mine is good but since i never lifted before, all i really have to go by are youtube videos =/ then again i never had anything like this during my last workout and the weight difference is only 5lb..
i guess another possible cause is me changing the program slightly on the workout before and adding in some ab work.. maybe tired abs = more strain on lower back? i was planning to strengthen my abs to help lower back instead lol. i guess i'll go easy on them for a bit, just in case.
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you do ab work after your weight training not before.
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yeah i know, i meant i had the ab work from the workout before i.e. previous workout (like 3 days ago instead of yesterday). i'm just thinking of anything i changed, because aside from those ab exercises 2 days earlier and an extra 5lb on the bar i can't think of anything
oh, just to add
i don't think i felt it during the sets, only between&after. and it never actually hurt, just felt tight/weird. usually i'd follow "if it hurts stop it, otherwise gogo" philosophy, but with the back i really don't wanna screw things up
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funkie if you're having trouble with the grip while you wait for your chalk (wtf december??) just wrap a thin piece of cloth like a torn up t-shirt around where you put your hands.
And JeeJee as long as theres no pain and it doesnt feel off anymore you're probably okay. Just make sure you keep your back flat and your shoulderblades together. And yeah your squat depends a lot on your core so if your abs/back are sore it will probably affect your squat.
p.s. dimsum i envy you so much now that i'm squat cleaning. It feels so inexplicably awesome but i'm doing weights you can probably throw around and you're so much lighter than me. Still working on my form. it probably doesn't help that i'm doing weights i can powerclean relatively easier.
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Figured I'd post in here since its been awhile. and I cant sleep :D
So just got done with my first five weeks in my cycle. I had to reset my squat because I didn't go low enough (I was like, an inch away but still lol). Actually reset it down to 150, next week I'm bringing it back up to 165. But so far I think I should progress in pretty much everything.
A quick question. I was in the gym the other day and a guy decided to "help" me out. He actually seemed like he knew what he was talking about so I listened to him. Currently my days are split up as Monday - Bicep & Back, Wednesday - Legs and Abs (only about three to four sets on my abs after) and Friday - Chest/Shoulder/Triceps.
Basically what he was saying is that your shoulders/triceps can't be trained to the fullest because of the bench and all that jazz. What he suggested was changing the routine into something like back & chest, biceps & triceps, and then leg and put the shoulder workout with say legs or biceps and triceps. Thoughts? Was he right?
Also, when doing bent-over rows, is it okay to... hop I guess? A little. I think its more like pulling the back backwards a little or something, or hoping as you bring the weight up. I cannot really explain this, but hey if somebody could answer that would be great! :D
And finally, about 8-10 pounds in 5 weeks. Hell yeah.
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On November 04 2010 Catch wrote:
Figured I'd post in here since its been awhile. and I cant sleep :D
So just got done with my first five weeks in my cycle. I had to reset my squat because I didn't go low enough (I was like, an inch away but still lol). Actually reset it down to 150, next week I'm bringing it back up to 165. But so far I think I should progress in pretty much everything.
A quick question. I was in the gym the other day and a guy decided to "help" me out. He actually seemed like he knew what he was talking about so I listened to him. Currently my days are split up as Monday - Bicep & Back, Wednesday - Legs and Abs (only about three to four sets on my abs after) and Friday - Chest/Shoulder/Triceps.
Basically what he was saying is that your shoulders/triceps can't be trained to the fullest because of the bench and all that jazz. What he suggested was changing the routine into something like back & chest, biceps & triceps, and then leg and put the shoulder workout with say legs or biceps and triceps. Thoughts? Was he right?
Also, when doing bent-over rows, is it okay to... hop I guess? A little. I think its more like pulling the back backwards a little or something, or hoping as you bring the weight up. I cannot really explain this, but hey if somebody could answer that would be great! :D
And finally, about 8-10 pounds in 5 weeks. Hell yeah.
With all due respect, completely scrapping what the guy in the gym said along with your current program would be a good idea.
Read the opening post. 8-10 pounds in 5 weeks isn't exactly bad by most standards, but there are ways you can put mass on yourself much faster. For a novice lifter, a full body training program three days a week (involving squats) is the fastest way to put mass on and gain strength.
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@Catch: Just from my own experience I've found out that benching is most taxing for my triceps and shoulders.
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On November 04 2010 17:32 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2010 Catch wrote:
Figured I'd post in here since its been awhile. and I cant sleep :D
So just got done with my first five weeks in my cycle. I had to reset my squat because I didn't go low enough (I was like, an inch away but still lol). Actually reset it down to 150, next week I'm bringing it back up to 165. But so far I think I should progress in pretty much everything.
A quick question. I was in the gym the other day and a guy decided to "help" me out. He actually seemed like he knew what he was talking about so I listened to him. Currently my days are split up as Monday - Bicep & Back, Wednesday - Legs and Abs (only about three to four sets on my abs after) and Friday - Chest/Shoulder/Triceps.
Basically what he was saying is that your shoulders/triceps can't be trained to the fullest because of the bench and all that jazz. What he suggested was changing the routine into something like back & chest, biceps & triceps, and then leg and put the shoulder workout with say legs or biceps and triceps. Thoughts? Was he right?
Also, when doing bent-over rows, is it okay to... hop I guess? A little. I think its more like pulling the back backwards a little or something, or hoping as you bring the weight up. I cannot really explain this, but hey if somebody could answer that would be great! :D
And finally, about 8-10 pounds in 5 weeks. Hell yeah. With all due respect, completely scrapping what the guy in the gym said along with your current program would be a good idea. Read the opening post. 8-10 pounds in 5 weeks isn't exactly bad by most standards, but there are ways you can put mass on yourself much faster. For a novice lifter, a full body training program three days a week (involving squats) is the fastest way to put mass on and gain strength.
If not ask me, I put 10kg in two months rofl :D
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Paid a ton of money to a professional sports massage therapist and I felt absolutely no results, plus he was a fucking idiot. Teaching me how to do a fundamental CHEST stretch to avoid injuries from PULL UPS, put your fucking helmet back on and continue licking your elbows you fraud.
Went to Chinese deep tissue massage place after my haircut today. I paid $15 for a 10 min shoulder and neck massage because I was in a rush.
The tension from my neck to my head is gone, headaches are are lot more mild, the pressure from my eyes and ears are gone. I must say, I was in absolute agony during the massage though, but I couldn't let on.. cause you know, I'm a man.
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On November 04 2010 22:52 Energies wrote:
Paid a ton of money to a professional sports massage therapist and I felt absolutely no results, plus he was a fucking idiot. Teaching me how to do a fundamental CHEST stretch to avoid injuries from PULL UPS, put your fucking helmet back on and continue licking your elbows you fraud.
Went to Chinese deep tissue massage place after my haircut today. I paid $15 for a 10 min shoulder and neck massage because I was in a rush.
The tension from my neck to my head is gone, headaches are are lot more mild, the pressure from my eyes and ears are one, I must say I was in absolute agony during the massage though, but I couldn't let on.. cause you know, I'm a man.
Pussy :D
Yesterday a guy (he works at the gym) and I were doing squats, when I reached my warmup sets (my last set was with 80kg) I waited for him to start his and shit.
He used the pussy pad, then said "add 20kg let's do this with a 100kg" I did my 3x5 with 100kg, he didn't do shit, and continued to use the pussy pad.
This story is in no way related to you Energies :$
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JeeJee:
do some stretching afterwards. Hit up the hip flexors, quads, adductors, hammies, glutes, IT band/TFL, maybe some low back stuff.
Good mobility stuff here:
http://mobilitywod.blogspot.com/
Catch:
do starting strength and scrap that piece of crap routine. Also, dont listen to that guy.
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ah ok thx decaf/eshlow. i'll see how tonight goes. probably keep same weight on the bar, just in case
well, as long as i'm here, i have a few questions about SS based on my little 5 week stint
firstly, i'm doing the practical novice programming thing (the one with pullups instead of power cleans because i'm too pussy to learn cleans) and the thing that sticks out at me is that i only deadlift once a week, meaning my DL weight goes up just once, whereas my squat weight goes up 3x/week. even though my squats are +5 and my DLs are +10 per workout, that still means my DLs are lagging behind. my DL should be stronger than my squat iirc, but i don't see how this is going to happen at this rate.....?
the other thing is that my pullup #s aren't going up (and i can only do a few to begin with =/). i realize i'm pulling up quite a bit more weight than i started but after 5 weeks i'd expect bigger changes (especially since this is supposed to be the gains=ez time). so i've just been increasing the number of slow negatives i do afterwards instead. should i just keep at it or replace with another exercise like rows?
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On November 04 2010 14:37 Catch wrote:
Figured I'd post in here since its been awhile. and I cant sleep :D
So just got done with my first five weeks in my cycle. I had to reset my squat because I didn't go low enough (I was like, an inch away but still lol). Actually reset it down to 150, next week I'm bringing it back up to 165. But so far I think I should progress in pretty much everything.
A quick question. I was in the gym the other day and a guy decided to "help" me out. He actually seemed like he knew what he was talking about so I listened to him. Currently my days are split up as Monday - Bicep & Back, Wednesday - Legs and Abs (only about three to four sets on my abs after) and Friday - Chest/Shoulder/Triceps.
Basically what he was saying is that your shoulders/triceps can't be trained to the fullest because of the bench and all that jazz. What he suggested was changing the routine into something like back & chest, biceps & triceps, and then leg and put the shoulder workout with say legs or biceps and triceps. Thoughts? Was he right?
Also, when doing bent-over rows, is it okay to... hop I guess? A little. I think its more like pulling the back backwards a little or something, or hoping as you bring the weight up. I cannot really explain this, but hey if somebody could answer that would be great! :D
And finally, about 8-10 pounds in 5 weeks. Hell yeah.
I third the scrapping of said plan motion. Get on a 3 day full body routine w/ squats/deads/bench/etc found in Starting Strength
And no, i know what you're referring to and it is not okay. Keep your back completely flat and still when doing your rows.
On November 05 2010 01:11 JeeJee wrote:
ah ok thx decaf/eshlow. i'll see how tonight goes. probably keep same weight on the bar, just in case
well, as long as i'm here, i have a few questions about SS based on my little 5 week stint
firstly, i'm doing the practical novice programming thing (the one with pullups instead of power cleans because i'm too pussy to learn cleans) and the thing that sticks out at me is that i only deadlift once a week, meaning my DL weight goes up just once, whereas my squat weight goes up 3x/week. even though my squats are +5 and my DLs are +10 per workout, that still means my DLs are lagging behind. my DL should be stronger than my squat iirc, but i don't see how this is going to happen at this rate.....?
the other thing is that my pullup #s aren't going up (and i can only do a few to begin with =/). i realize i'm pulling up quite a bit more weight than i started but after 5 weeks i'd expect bigger changes (especially since this is supposed to be the gains=ez time). so i've just been increasing the number of slow negatives i do afterwards instead. should i just keep at it or replace with another exercise like rows?
- learn powercleans they're awesome
- i dunno. I try to deadlift as often as my back will allow me and still get my squats in. My dl is probably ~40-50 pounds heavier than my squat
-What kind of #'s are you doing? Try adding weight to your pull ups. And i like to mix up my pull ups and barbell rows
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I always pictured eshlow as a really big guy. After seeing his youtube videos, I realize this is not the case, but holy christ you are strong. There are so many huge guys who cannot lift what you can... but this raises a question for me... obviously, you seem to be training for bodyweight exercises and relative strength, but how are you able to keep building strength without adding significant muscle mass? While my goal is to build some mass and strength, how would your trainings and diet differ if you wanted the max muscle mass you could have?
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On November 05 2010 01:11 JeeJee wrote:
ah ok thx decaf/eshlow. i'll see how tonight goes. probably keep same weight on the bar, just in case
well, as long as i'm here, i have a few questions about SS based on my little 5 week stint
firstly, i'm doing the practical novice programming thing (the one with pullups instead of power cleans because i'm too pussy to learn cleans) and the thing that sticks out at me is that i only deadlift once a week, meaning my DL weight goes up just once, whereas my squat weight goes up 3x/week. even though my squats are +5 and my DLs are +10 per workout, that still means my DLs are lagging behind. my DL should be stronger than my squat iirc, but i don't see how this is going to happen at this rate.....?
the other thing is that my pullup #s aren't going up (and i can only do a few to begin with =/). i realize i'm pulling up quite a bit more weight than i started but after 5 weeks i'd expect bigger changes (especially since this is supposed to be the gains=ez time). so i've just been increasing the number of slow negatives i do afterwards instead. should i just keep at it or replace with another exercise like rows?
If you feel you can DL more often, by all means do it! Maybe to one workout where you go for more reps (possibly 8) and one with fewer reps (maybe 5) and more weight.
Pullups have always been slow for me to go up in numbers but that is probably because when I do them I'm eating loads of food and gaining weight => getting the same reps is still a progress!
Also, gains =/= ez time.
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On November 05 2010 01:11 JeeJee wrote:
ah ok thx decaf/eshlow. i'll see how tonight goes. probably keep same weight on the bar, just in case
well, as long as i'm here, i have a few questions about SS based on my little 5 week stint
firstly, i'm doing the practical novice programming thing (the one with pullups instead of power cleans because i'm too pussy to learn cleans) and the thing that sticks out at me is that i only deadlift once a week, meaning my DL weight goes up just once, whereas my squat weight goes up 3x/week. even though my squats are +5 and my DLs are +10 per workout, that still means my DLs are lagging behind. my DL should be stronger than my squat iirc, but i don't see how this is going to happen at this rate.....?
the other thing is that my pullup #s aren't going up (and i can only do a few to begin with =/). i realize i'm pulling up quite a bit more weight than i started but after 5 weeks i'd expect bigger changes (especially since this is supposed to be the gains=ez time). so i've just been increasing the number of slow negatives i do afterwards instead. should i just keep at it or replace with another exercise like rows?
If you can add more pounds or kgs to your DL than +10 per session AND maintain good for then do it.
There's no reason you should limit yourself if you can maintain good form. Not everyone is the same so people can progress faster than others based on their genetics, adherence to big eating, ability to sleep a lot and quality, etc.
Rigth now if you're not doing power cleans it may be a decent idea to do add in a set on the days you're not doing the poewr cleans..... but really you should learn the power cleans.
... Secondly the pullups if you're not doing at leas 7-8 per set then I would go use the gravitron machine so you can hit at least that number. Pullups are one of thoes skills that you need to do a lot more often to get better at.
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On November 05 2010 02:19 Sinep wrote:
I always pictured eshlow as a really big guy. After seeing his youtube videos, I realize this is not the case, but holy christ you are strong. There are so many huge guys who cannot lift what you can... but this raises a question for me... obviously, you seem to be training for bodyweight exercises and relative strength, but how are you able to keep building strength without adding significant muscle mass? While my goal is to build some mass and strength, how would your trainings and diet differ if you wanted the max muscle mass you could have?
If you dont want the mass then dont eat for it. It's that simple.
I eventually want to put on some more mass, but some extraneous factors at the moment aren't conducive to doing it.
If I wanted to max muscle I would start to add some barbell work and eat like there's no tomorrow.
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remember, weight changes are modulated by nutrition. Eat more, eat the same, eat less (hopefully eat quality regardless).
Training tends to modulate body composition more than weight. Whether you put on muscle mass or fat mass with proper nutrition.
http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/08/the-relationship-between-diet-and-exercise/
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So is it possible for me to get significantly stronger without putting on weight? I mean i know i put on a lot of strength and lost ~10+ pounds over the summer but that was pretty much all fat. I'm thinking in sports terms that if i can exert more force with less body weight i will be more explosive and therefore better?
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Hey thanks for all the advice guys, don't worry about hurting my pride or something. It's why I asked :D
Anyways, to be honest I really wouldn't mind switching yet I don't think I could handle 3 full body work outs a week which is why I never did starting strength to begin with, ya know? Then again, I don't know much about how the program is set up. So is it set up to allow appropriate recovery time in between the work outs or what?
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^ any novice can handle 3x/week training and make good progress as long as they aren't on consecutive days.
dammit just about to go to the beach and my back is breaking out. i guess having peanuts for snacks everyday for like the past month wasn't the smartest idea
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