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Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
October 25 2010 15:00 GMT
#3141
And put some vids up!

I've been working in the woods today, lifting and draging 40-80kg logs for hours! My whole body is burning lol. Won't work out today, will have to see if I've recovered tomorrow.
sJarl
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1699 Posts
October 25 2010 15:09 GMT
#3142
On October 25 2010 22:36 Energies wrote:
Robb Wolf is saying no dairy and no legumes... arrrrrghhhh!!! I'm already no gluten and no starch. What am I going to do with 2 gallons of milk in the fridge.

Giving up dairy is going to destroy me, I drink at least 2 cappuccino a day, and it's not like I can use soy milk, the fucker said no legumes.

I won't mind the legumes so much, I almost never eat beans and I try to stay away from peanuts.

Damn you Robb! This better get easier. My options are certainly not overwhelming me..


But whyyyyy would you want to give up dairy?

FWIW I live on milk and other dairy products...
"Witness!" - Karsa Orlong
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
October 25 2010 15:54 GMT
#3143
My take on dairy is generally if it doesn't bother you then it's ok. Eggs are generally fine for most people.

Gluten generally avoid especially cause its in so many processed foods.

Yeah, I don't exactly eat Paleo, but as long as you're digesting fine and not bloating or passing gas and such you're fine. Passing gas, bloating, etc tends to mean that the foot is not exactly agreeing with your GI tract
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
October 25 2010 17:26 GMT
#3144
Eshlow,

Does vitamin D help with the recovery from pneumonia? I'm still waiting for my order to come in, but I don't know if it'll help me all that much.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17726 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-25 18:44:11
October 25 2010 18:39 GMT
#3145
On October 25 2010 22:36 Energies wrote:
Robb Wolf is saying no dairy and no legumes... arrrrrghhhh!!! I'm already no gluten and no starch. What am I going to do with 2 gallons of milk in the fridge.

Giving up dairy is going to destroy me, I drink at least 2 cappuccino a day, and it's not like I can use soy milk, the fucker said no legumes.

I won't mind the legumes so much, I almost never eat beans and I try to stay away from peanuts.

Damn you Robb! This better get easier. My options are certainly not overwhelming me..

I don't really think you have to give dairy up. I think everyone who is doing a paleo diet have different ideas of what fits and what doesn't but I think what they all agree on is at least that the biggest things you should avoid are processed foods, refined flour, and excess sugar. In the website eshlow has in op http://www.paleonu.com/panu-weblog/2009/6/13/using-dairy-to-substitute-fats-for-carbohydrates.html he mentions that "Remember, the paradigm is about paleolithic metabolism, not paleolithic food re-enactment!"

Also when Weston Price went around researching cultures isolated from modern civilization, a lot of the people he found had really high diets in carbs and dairy. If you ever want a read about it his book is online. http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library/price/pricetoc.html

"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
October 25 2010 19:46 GMT
#3146
On October 26 2010 02:26 RosaParksStoleMySeat wrote:
Eshlow,

Does vitamin D help with the recovery from pneumonia? I'm still waiting for my order to come in, but I don't know if it'll help me all that much.


It should considering pneumonia is a respiratory tract infection.

for example;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20020581
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20859185

Also more studies in the vitamin D article....

Vitamin D upregulates a much of anti-microbial peptides and other immune functions so yeah
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Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
October 25 2010 23:14 GMT
#3147
I might give up dairy for a month just to see the effects on my body. I just had 4 eggs and 5 strips of bacon, so.. no way I'm giving up eggs.

I honestly feel this is an anti cappuccino / latte conspiracy. *shifty eyes*.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
October 25 2010 23:14 GMT
#3148
i came back from vacation and did some fairly modest SS...

however, i'm kinda tired of SS and i want to move on to NROL. plus i wanna lose some weight. i started SS at around 185 and i'm around 190 now, although i don't think i gained too much fat, if any. it's about time i drop down to 170.

i don't like weighing more than football players at my height...
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
October 26 2010 00:18 GMT
#3149
Random progress update!

Bench: ~240x1
Squat: 315x3 (max probably around 330?)
Deadlift: 405x1

Yeah, my bench sucks, I'm trying + Show Spoiler +


[image loading]
[image loading]


Both pictures are relaxed.

Still working on the chest, some progress since the last update but it still seems to be lagging

I'm 6'0, 194lbs, trying to bulk up to 200 before cutting down. I was ~178lbs last May.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
phyre112
Profile Joined August 2009
United States3090 Posts
October 26 2010 01:09 GMT
#3150
Ugh.

Had to take two weeks off from the gym; the first to give my knee some time to calm down, and the second because I have no self control. I punched a wall, resulting in a swollen tendon and the loss of my ability to make a tight enough fist to hold a barbell =p.

Finally got back for a workout last night and feel AMAZING now, hit the same number as the last workout performed on squats and did an extra set (4x5 instead of 3x5) and did an extra ten pounds on my bench press. Still need some work on my deadlift form; figure I'll have a friend come with me this coming weekend and get that all figured out... But adrenaline and testosterone really are the best cure out there for whatever's got you down!

Wish I could be talking about being 200 pounds here like the rest of ya'll. I'm 6'4 161 - and 12 pounds of that are new! I'm hoping to be that big by this summer, but while I eat well, I need to start eating MORE. Calorie intake lately has me very much stagnant, and it's not cool.
AoN.DimSum
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2983 Posts
October 26 2010 04:52 GMT
#3151
Changing back to split jerk...squat jerk too hard...
Going to see if I can go to American Open.
by my idol krokkis : "U better hope Finland wont have WCG next year and that I wont gain shitloads of skill, cause then I will wash ur mouth with soap, little man."
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-26 08:46:47
October 26 2010 08:46 GMT
#3152
On October 26 2010 09:18 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Random progress update!

Bench: ~240x1
Squat: 315x3 (max probably around 330?)
Deadlift: 405x1

Yeah, my bench sucks, I'm trying + Show Spoiler +


[image loading]
[image loading]


Both pictures are relaxed.

Still working on the chest, some progress since the last update but it still seems to be lagging

I'm 6'0, 194lbs, trying to bulk up to 200 before cutting down. I was ~178lbs last May.

Nice thickness and development in the back, but yea your chest is lagging a little. I assume you're doing other exercises for it apart from barbell bench? :p
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doerit
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany234 Posts
October 26 2010 10:53 GMT
#3153
Awesome thread...

...just finished a digusting intervall training and did some stretches, tonight I'll have 3hrs of muay thai coming up.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
October 26 2010 11:16 GMT
#3154
On October 26 2010 17:46 KizZBG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2010 09:18 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Random progress update!

Bench: ~240x1
Squat: 315x3 (max probably around 330?)
Deadlift: 405x1

Yeah, my bench sucks, I'm trying + Show Spoiler +


[image loading]
[image loading]


Both pictures are relaxed.

Still working on the chest, some progress since the last update but it still seems to be lagging

I'm 6'0, 194lbs, trying to bulk up to 200 before cutting down. I was ~178lbs last May.

Nice thickness and development in the back, but yea your chest is lagging a little. I assume you're doing other exercises for it apart from barbell bench? :p


I am! It just seems like I never feel the jump as much as when I work other parts. I've tried lots of the little form tweaks but, even if some of them have worked, I still never get that OMFGASPLOSION pump in my chest
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
October 26 2010 12:05 GMT
#3155
On October 26 2010 20:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2010 17:46 KizZBG wrote:
On October 26 2010 09:18 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Random progress update!

Bench: ~240x1
Squat: 315x3 (max probably around 330?)
Deadlift: 405x1

Yeah, my bench sucks, I'm trying + Show Spoiler +


[image loading]
[image loading]


Both pictures are relaxed.

Still working on the chest, some progress since the last update but it still seems to be lagging

I'm 6'0, 194lbs, trying to bulk up to 200 before cutting down. I was ~178lbs last May.

Nice thickness and development in the back, but yea your chest is lagging a little. I assume you're doing other exercises for it apart from barbell bench? :p


I am! It just seems like I never feel the jump as much as when I work other parts. I've tried lots of the little form tweaks but, even if some of them have worked, I still never get that OMFGASPLOSION pump in my chest

I think the chest is the hardest muscle to develop because of it's size and one of the hardest to exercise so form is crucial. I've seen most of my progress from dumbells. I rarely bench but do it from time to time since it's a good pushing exercise and helps upper body strenght.

To get that blood flowing pump to your chest before your routine try this:

* Close hand push ups – 1 set/10 reps
* Regular push ups – 1 set/10 reps
* Wide hand Push ups – 1 set/10 reps

Then I'd do

5 sets of dumbell presses
5 sets of dumbell flyes

and then finish off with a few sets of dips/cable crossover/pec dec

mix it up sometimes with barbell bench sometimes but do most of your work on incline.

When using dumbells, keep your back arched and always squeeze your shoulder blades together at the bottom. When at the top, pause for a second and squeeze your pecs. Keep negatives slower. Try to expand your ribcage when you're going down on dumbell flyes and always utilize full ROM!

I'm seeing great progress from this and my chest is always sore after. :p But that's what works for me but keep trying new things and see what works best for you.
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doerit
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany234 Posts
October 26 2010 12:31 GMT
#3156
I think the most important thing is:

stick to the basics!

I have seen people in the gym training their chest for 1 1/2 hrs while I was doing a full body workout with bench press, squats, rows, pull ups, deadlifts and shoulder press.

I had the chance to talk to a professional bodybuilder and a powerlifter as well. In the end either one is using the regular bench as their basic excercise for chest and everything else is an addition to that.

What is your rep scheme? Maybe play around with your reps...I tried a lot of different systems like 8x8, 5x5 or 3x3 and I had a pretty good progress with all of them, with each system I used the bench press/incline bench/dips as my exercises. I did just one per workout, bc I was doing a full body plan three times a week.

My favourite system was pitt force though, where you just use single repititions. I have never had such a pump in any bodypart before and also strengthwise I had a very good progress with it.
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-26 12:45:47
October 26 2010 12:44 GMT
#3157
Yeah it's very good to occasionally switch up rep schemes. I'd keep the sets to 4-6 and as for reps, I like to do pyramiding or just use the same reps and same weight for the whole exercise. But then again that's what works for me. It's all about trial and error.
eSTRO for life | #2 Sea.Really fan! | #1 GosI[Flying] fan! | Clide - best SC2 terran!
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20010 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-26 13:44:06
October 26 2010 13:43 GMT
#3158
I just do bench (sometimes incline) and sometimes supplement with dips or skull crushers at the end and i've never had problems with my chest? I'm not sure why yours wouldn't progress normally. On the bright side, your back is pretty tore up lol.

Oh and my solid foundation really helped me keep my ground at a concert last night
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
RosaParksStoleMySeat
Profile Joined December 2009
Japan926 Posts
October 26 2010 14:06 GMT
#3159
Shallow,

You may want to try reverse grip bench press if your chest is being stubborn. It is an excellent upper chest workout apparently. Other alternatives are weighted dips and dumbbell bench press, which I'm sure you're already doing.

The flat bench press doesn't do all that much for size and strength compared to its variants, to be honest. Rippetoe himself admits that the DB bench press is better for pretty much everything other than powerlifting competitions. If you want size, something of the hypertrophic training variety may be up your alley, although I may get my head bitten off for suggesting it here .
KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
October 26 2010 14:28 GMT
#3160
lol I don't think you will. I think a few other people other than me are into bodybuilding as well.
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