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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5112 Posts
September 23 2020 19:28 GMT
#14341
I'm not good with hardware either and I managed to assemble a pretty decent computer for ~1000 bucks.
If I can do it, trust me, you can do it. I didn't even know I had to put in an hdmi cable into the GPU to get a working screen.. This thread is great for advice and general knowledge though. Lmui and others are really helpful!
Taxes are for Terrans
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10710 Posts
September 25 2020 03:55 GMT
#14342
On September 24 2020 04:28 Uldridge wrote:
I'm not good with hardware either and I managed to assemble a pretty decent computer for ~1000 bucks.
If I can do it, trust me, you can do it. I didn't even know I had to put in an hdmi cable into the GPU to get a working screen.. This thread is great for advice and general knowledge though. Lmui and others are really helpful!

Awesome, thanks for the motivation! =)
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
September 25 2020 06:27 GMT
#14343
Does anyone have experience with the LG 38" 38*N95 display series? 144ms curved, wide gaming panels? I am looking to buy something with increased immersion, mostly for Cyberpunk.

This or related models, there seem to be a few versions out
https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-38GL950G-B-gaming-monitor
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-27 09:04:14
September 27 2020 09:03 GMT
#14344
On September 25 2020 15:27 zatic wrote:
Does anyone have experience with the LG 38" 38*N95 display series? 144ms curved, wide gaming panels? I am looking to buy something with increased immersion, mostly for Cyberpunk.

This or related models, there seem to be a few versions out
https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-38GL950G-B-gaming-monitor


Look at the reviews, they're not good - and dear god, that's way too expensive. Price made me say W.T.F.

It's an old-style IPS panel (slow transitions) and it doesn't support variable overdrive in the scalar (all gsync module monitors do, plus a few more). It doesn't support any kind of actually usable HDR (hdr400 just means that it's a regular monitor pretending to do HDR)

all in all i can't imagine why anybody would want to pay $1800 for that. That's three times the price of the flagship fast-IPS 360hz gsync-module monitors, for example. Even if you want something bigger, wider, higher res you can get something better at like half the price
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-27 12:24:23
September 27 2020 10:49 GMT
#14345
On September 27 2020 18:03 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2020 15:27 zatic wrote:
Does anyone have experience with the LG 38" 38*N95 display series? 144ms curved, wide gaming panels? I am looking to buy something with increased immersion, mostly for Cyberpunk.

This or related models, there seem to be a few versions out
https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-38GL950G-B-gaming-monitor

Look at the reviews, they're not good - and dear god, that's way too expensive. Price made me say W.T.F.

It's an old-style IPS panel (slow transitions) and it doesn't support variable overdrive in the scalar (all gsync module monitors do, plus a few more). It doesn't support any kind of actually usable HDR (hdr400 just means that it's a regular monitor pretending to do HDR)

all in all i can't imagine why anybody would want to pay $1800 for that. That's three times the price of the flagship fast-IPS 360hz gsync-module monitors, for example. Even if you want something bigger, wider, higher res you can get something better at like half the price

Any recommendations? For a wide screen 38"+ gaming monitor? I am really clueless about anything but Hz and input delay.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
September 28 2020 12:52 GMT
#14346
On September 27 2020 19:49 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2020 18:03 Cyro wrote:
On September 25 2020 15:27 zatic wrote:
Does anyone have experience with the LG 38" 38*N95 display series? 144ms curved, wide gaming panels? I am looking to buy something with increased immersion, mostly for Cyberpunk.

This or related models, there seem to be a few versions out
https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-38GL950G-B-gaming-monitor

Look at the reviews, they're not good - and dear god, that's way too expensive. Price made me say W.T.F.

It's an old-style IPS panel (slow transitions) and it doesn't support variable overdrive in the scalar (all gsync module monitors do, plus a few more). It doesn't support any kind of actually usable HDR (hdr400 just means that it's a regular monitor pretending to do HDR)

all in all i can't imagine why anybody would want to pay $1800 for that. That's three times the price of the flagship fast-IPS 360hz gsync-module monitors, for example. Even if you want something bigger, wider, higher res you can get something better at like half the price

Any recommendations? For a wide screen 38"+ gaming monitor? I am really clueless about anything but Hz and input delay.


I don't pay much attention to particular models cause they're not in my interests but check out some of the monitors covered by hardware unboxed and linus tech tips on youtube. There should be other channels covering monitors too
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
September 28 2020 16:44 GMT
#14347
The king of ultrawides at the moment is the Samsung G9 for most measurable metrics. The biggest problem is that there's a fair number of firmware issues as well as a flicker bug iirc, that they aren't accepting as a warranty issue, and you see the user reviews for the complaints: https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/monitors/gaming/49--odyssey-g9-gaming-monitor-lc49g95tssnxza/

240hz, great colors, response time, etc is amazing.

Anything else is a bit of a step down - at 34" I think the LG 34GK950F-B is a pretty good monitor.
Unfortunately between there and the samsung is a bit of a dip in quality of monitors.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-28 17:44:25
September 28 2020 17:28 GMT
#14348
when you say old school IPS with slow transitions what does that mean? It apparently isn't the refresh rate since it says its a 1ms.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-28 18:25:55
September 28 2020 17:33 GMT
#14349
based off of amazon theres some good HP and samsung options for like 700 bucks at that price (non gaming monitors).

If you're willing to go down to 34 inches in general there's a ton of options for under a grand. and there appears to be some good options at 49 inches for around a grand.


for example here's a 34 inch aoc for 530 bucks that looks potentially good too. https://amzn.to/33a0oUr


If you want 38+" look at some of the 49 inch ones. seem to be good value price wise. The reviews for the above samsung are bad on that site and the amazon site so probably avoid (stuff rarely gets 3.5 stars on amazon for tech things I've found).

If you can handle 4ms response time maybe look up some reviews of the updated samsgun one which gets better reviews HDR is 1000 as opposed to the 400 of the lg for 1200 bucks although samsung site reviews are just as mediocre. It looks like it depends on if you get a working one or not so may be a bit of a roulette wheel there no idea how their customer support is. there's a 3840*1080 version with 1ms response time. that gets better reviews but you prob want true 1440. also There's also an AOC for 1 grand that I'd look into but it only has hd4 400 so it might just be a cheaper version of the LG if the price is mostly the issue. If price is no concern there's a 1600 dollar dell that may be worth looking into but it has 1 review on amazon and the specs listed are very inadequate

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Double-49-Inch-Monitor-LC49RG90SSNXZA/dp/B07L9HCJ2V/ref=psdc_1292115011_t1_B072C7TNC5

I would recommend finding like 3 or 4 that you like then looking up review videos. probably easier than endlessly surfing youtube review channels for a 38+ size montiers and hoping that its in stock/a reasonable price. I find it easier that way for me at least. If you primarily care about quality might be worth taking a roll on a samsung if your willing to risk the potential hassle. Apparently you need 7 dead pixels before you can return it. Maybe if you buy through Amazon return/exchange will be easier but not sure.

as a side question is there a specific site to look at for the best quality/average of reviews? Cause I notice on amazon a lot of things seem to get 4/4.5 stars but not as good reviews on other sites

"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
September 28 2020 18:43 GMT
#14350
For monitors, I usually reference:

https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/
https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/
https://www.rtings.com/
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-28 20:06:23
September 28 2020 20:02 GMT
#14351
On September 29 2020 02:28 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
when you say old school IPS with slow transitions what does that mean? It apparently isn't the refresh rate since it says its a 1ms.

Most new age IPS with 1ms do so with ridiculous overdrive modes. It will transition in 1ms, but overshoot massively. Not very usable in daily use.

Modern gaming IPS generally don't have slow transitions(budget IPS aside). It's not as fast as TN, but much less than a frame at 144Hz is not bad.

On September 27 2020 19:49 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2020 18:03 Cyro wrote:
On September 25 2020 15:27 zatic wrote:
Does anyone have experience with the LG 38" 38*N95 display series? 144ms curved, wide gaming panels? I am looking to buy something with increased immersion, mostly for Cyberpunk.

This or related models, there seem to be a few versions out
https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-38GL950G-B-gaming-monitor

Look at the reviews, they're not good - and dear god, that's way too expensive. Price made me say W.T.F.

It's an old-style IPS panel (slow transitions) and it doesn't support variable overdrive in the scalar (all gsync module monitors do, plus a few more). It doesn't support any kind of actually usable HDR (hdr400 just means that it's a regular monitor pretending to do HDR)

all in all i can't imagine why anybody would want to pay $1800 for that. That's three times the price of the flagship fast-IPS 360hz gsync-module monitors, for example. Even if you want something bigger, wider, higher res you can get something better at like half the price

Any recommendations? For a wide screen 38"+ gaming monitor? I am really clueless about anything but Hz and input delay.


38" is really just LG's 38gl850 IIRC.

I have the 34GK950F. New model is 34GN850. These are about half the cost of the 38", which is more palatable IMO.

Issues to note - IPS glow (not backlight bleed) on the 950F is very hit or miss. My first one, which I returned was awful. Bottom left corner was distinctly brownish in darker scenes. My replacement doesn't have the same issue. Not sure if the issue is on the 38GN, but it might be.

From what I've read they fixed it on the later ones/newer model, but at the cost of reducing the average contrast even more (from ~1000:1 to ~900ish:1).

Gaming wise it's pretty amazing when games support it properly(not all games like ultrawide), and as with all ultrawides for productivity it beats 4k IMO. Not much to say about the response times. One frame @144Hz is not enough for me to notice.

I would honestly either go for a 34" or a 49" though. Not many options at 38". The people who have working G9's say it's amazing, but it's been very hit or miss.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
September 29 2020 07:09 GMT
#14352
Siiiigh why is this so difficult. I am super hesitant about the G9 because it is just ... too much. I don't know.

We have 34" widescreens at work but they seem a bit underwhelming if I imagine playing immersive games on them. That's what got me to the 38" LG models.

Amui do you play SC2 on your widescreen? How does that work?
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-29 09:43:51
September 29 2020 09:43 GMT
#14353
Fired it up to check. I play coop once in a while, but I don't play seriously any more.

SC2 doesn't support 21: 9. Letterboxes (background apps still visible), most likely for competitive integrity reasons. I know 21: 9 breaks a lot of games (D3 a lot of UI elements end at 16: 9 for example), but SC2 simply doesn't support it.

Other thing to note for games is that for anything competitive with a fixed minimap location, (shooters aside), it WILL be a liability. This means lol dota etc. The minimap is simply so far that you need to force yourself to look, rather than relying on peripheral vision. But I'm retired from hardcore gaming now.

Shooters it depends on if the game allows 21: 9 or if they letterbox for competitive reasons.

Immersive games I think both 34 and 38 would be fine. Just depends on seating distance.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-29 13:47:24
September 29 2020 11:55 GMT
#14354
Most new age IPS with 1ms do so with ridiculous overdrive modes. It will transition in 1ms, but overshoot massively. Not very usable in daily use.

Modern gaming IPS generally don't have slow transitions(budget IPS aside). It's not as fast as TN


The pg259qn IPS does 0.66ms g2g in the best overdrive mode, minimal if any visible overshoot. It's way faster than the 240hz TN's.

Recommend watching this from timestamp

"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-29 16:35:59
September 29 2020 16:15 GMT
#14355
On September 29 2020 16:09 zatic wrote:
Siiiigh why is this so difficult. I am super hesitant about the G9 because it is just ... too much. I don't know.

We have 34" widescreens at work but they seem a bit underwhelming if I imagine playing immersive games on them. That's what got me to the 38" LG models.

Amui do you play SC2 on your widescreen? How does that work?


If it makes you feel better I have a 1080p 27 inch monitor/tv hybrid thingy in a space that it barely fits in that I literally can't replace because they don't even make 1080 tvs that small anymore let alont 4k which is what I wanted. I could go to a plain monitor but I really really wish I could could get a tv cause that's mainly what I use it for and I like the tv options and stuff.

then I was looking at 1440p 144hz options and those were too expensive other than the curved options for some reason.

"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-30 00:29:32
September 30 2020 00:20 GMT
#14356
On September 29 2020 20:55 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
Most new age IPS with 1ms do so with ridiculous overdrive modes. It will transition in 1ms, but overshoot massively. Not very usable in daily use.

Show nested quote +
Modern gaming IPS generally don't have slow transitions(budget IPS aside). It's not as fast as TN


The pg259qn IPS does 0.66ms g2g in the best overdrive mode, minimal if any visible overshoot. It's way faster than the 240hz TN's.

Recommend watching this from timestamp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsB9G4eRokU&t=344s

Admittedly, that one is fast. Most of the ones I'm thinking of don't quite meet that same standard of ~2ms for basically zero overshoot(mostly in the 5-7ms range).

I don't think it'll matter for most people though, as it's under a frame in most cases.

As for SC2 ultrawide support - non-existent. Runs in forced 16: 9 letterbox or 4:3. Keep in mind many games don't have proper support. A lot of games with fixed minimaps in a corner you WILL have difficulties (LoL, Dota etc) because the minimap is too far into peripheral vision.

League in particular, you get the full 21: 9 advantage(extra 5 units of width of screen real estate), at the cost of minimap awareness and higher difficulty in scrolling left and right because it is actually really far away.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9045 Posts
September 30 2020 01:30 GMT
#14357
Ordered a bluetooth dongle for my PC. Forgot this thing didn't have that capability. I might upgrade the mobo next year to something a bit more friendly though I don't see myself upgrading anything else.

I'm thinking of adding at least one more 27" before or around holiday shopping time. I'd prefer to upgrade the 24" gaming monitor if possible and then go from there. Maybe 2 24" monitors (gaming/IPS for graphical work)? I don't want to waste the 24" once I replace it.
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2574 Posts
October 04 2020 23:22 GMT
#14358
Does anyone have any recommendations for what to consider when buying a new desktop? I've never shopped for one myself. I just need something that can run games like Starcraft 2 and DOTA 2 and handle audio latency when recording in a digital audio workstation.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9045 Posts
October 05 2020 05:14 GMT
#14359
You'll want to focus on getting an audio card and med range GPU. Though most GPUs these days can run everything besides raytracing. Pretty much anything you buy will be on par to run those games. Your audio hookup is going to be the most important part of that equation.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11814 Posts
October 05 2020 08:09 GMT
#14360
Also take a look at the parts people usually don't care about too much. A good PSU will save you money in the long term, and also save you a lot of hassle and frustration.
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