Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread - Page 687

On February 16 2019 10:09 Incognoto wrote:
what's wrong with newegg these days?

On March 04 2019 02:22 Cyro wrote:
Mobo's that work with the 2600k are compatible with only 2'nd or 3'rd gen core and use DDR3. We're on 9'th gen now, 10'th later this year.

9'th gen boards will almost certainly not be compatible with 10'th gen CPU's either.



This part is also problematic for you as there isn't anything really worth replacing a 2600k with on your motherboard and RAM, yet beyond that you're dealing with the costs of a new motherboard and ddr4 anyway. We've seen a lot of performance advancement in the last year or two with 6 and 8 core CPU's becoming standard after it was stuck on 4 for a long time, so CPU's from the era in between then and now aren't very appealing.

If you do buy a set of DDR4 for a ryzen or 9'th / 10'th gen intel setup you should get at least 3000c15 since memory performance impacts a lot of CPU-bound tasks now - the difference between 2400-2666mhz vs 4000mhz is literally +24% FPS in sc2 on my system for example. Having fast memory nowadays is often even more important than doing CPU overclocking or buying a higher priced CPU, although for some workloads it does basically nothing while for others it's enormous.

There are some corsair LPX kits of samsung b-die at 3000c15 and 3200c16 which are usually cheap and don't unneccesarily block compatibility of other parts, i wouldn't buy anything below that for a ryzen2600+ or i5+ system.

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You may want to go Ryzen, dump the 2600k and grab a ryzen 2600 for now (cheapish, a good bit faster than your 2600k per-core and with 50% more cores..) with the plan of swapping it out to one of the 8c16t+ ryzen 3 CPU's which are due as a drop-in upgrade at summer time. They're supposed to be a lot faster, Intel 9900k level (8c16t with solid core performance).

You would have to do some research about the motherboard that you bought to ensure that it will be able to get a bios upgrade and be updated quickly and properly to be able to take one of those new CPU's. In theory that option sounds very good but in practice it can be a pain to deal with that kind of upgrade plan.

If you did go Intel the choices are 6c6t, 8c8t or 8c16t (i5, i7, i9) on consumer - they have more core performance than the current gen of ryzen (..until summer ) but they cost more and only the top option with a huge pricetag has HT/SMT for multi core scaling, unlike the ryzens which have it enabled even on midrange parts. Possibly a good bet if you're focusing heavily on singlethreaded performance but otherwise the performance per dollar starts to get really questionable.




Since you're using a 120w graphics card, any amount of power on a quality unit would probably be more than enough. 550w w/ 2x 6+2 pin PCI-E connectors is good for future expandability and upgrades.

Double check your cooler compatibility with whatever motherboard you want to get as well, the different sockets require different mounting hardware which you may have to ask noctua to ship to you.

On March 05 2019 07:25 Cyro wrote:


Should get solid FPS as long as you're fine sticking to lower graphics for that iGPU, fast memory will help both cpu and graphics performance

and yes the next gen (and probably the gen after that) will share a socket with current gen but there isn't a guarantee of support from every motherboard.

On March 07 2019 16:35 Cyro wrote:
Your CPU is 5 years old so it's not all that unusual in the tech world although things have slowed down recently.

They're in a position to kick intel out of a big portion of the market on launch day if they wanted to, there's a follow up coming this year with 10nm+ Icelake though which will have considerably higher core performance and up to 10c20t on mainstream.

A lot of stuff that people do either doesn't scale with that many cores anyway - many games and tasks hit a scaling wall at 2-6 cores, let alone 8, 10, 16 or 20+ threads - or they do scale well, but they run so fast on a brand new 6-10 core CPU that it's not a major concern for people.

Look at game live encoding / streaming for example; this used to be the driver of MT CPU performance for gaming+media users, now it's of little relevance because all CPU's are that much faster and NVENC has advanced so much to take over their role. Turing NVENC can encode notably more efficiently than an i7 920 or 2600k could with ten times the speed and 1/10'th of the framerate loss for running it on the gaming PC, the old days have ended.

That being said, many people would also run games so well on a CPU with 9900k-like performance that they also don't care about them being 15% faster at all. I won't be one of those people, but i'm a minority in being an RTS+MMO focusing 240hz zealot.

Zen2 and Icelake will both be very effective CPU's for sure, the main questions are pricing and release timing.