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CPU cooler working correctly is definitely the first thing to check though
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
CPU cooler working correctly is definitely the first thing to check though | ||
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Johnnycashew
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What is your current build? My current build is HERE and was built back in 2013 with the help of the good people on this site. (I also have an extra 1TB HD, ~700GB HD that I use and an extra Windows 10 Key.) What is your monitor's native resolution? 1920x1080 Why do you want to upgrade? What do you want to achieve with the upgrade? I need to ensure that I have a machine capable of running things such as Unity, Unreal, 3DS Max, Source, CryEngine, etc. What is your budget? Being a college student with no job, my budget is currently low. Possibly $400 at max. If I'm better off with selling my current system to try and build a better one entirely, let me know. What country will you be buying your parts in? The United States If you have any brand or retailer preferences, please specify. I prefer to buy from Amazon or Newegg if I can. Thanks in advance! -Johnnycashew | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
a new build wouldn't be very good at that price point | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Looks like i7 8700 is best bet for gaming. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
Currently I'm looking for expand my dual monitor setup to a triple monitor setup. I already have a gaming monitor, the Dell S2716DG (27" 1440p 144Hz GSync TN), and honestly I really like it. I haven't had it side by side with an IPS or anything, but it looks very good all around. I like it so much I was even thinking about just getting a 2nd one (given that I've found a couple in my area, and could potentially negotiate down to $350~). On the other hand, I wont be gaming on this new monitor, so a more purpose built monitor seems wiser as it's money in the toilet for GSync and a 144Hz display. When this monitor is not being used for just having another million chrome tabs open fo, I'd be using it for (listed in order of importance): -Watching movies and TV shows (youtube and twitch as well, I also watch plenty of live sports, but I think the compression making the video look bad can't be overcome much with a better monitor) -CAD software (Solidworks + proprietary 3D design software for my job) -Viewing pictures on instagram and Pinterest -Minor use of Adobe CC (light light picture + video editing), or something like Powerpoint for one off projects. 1) I'm looking to spend under $800CAD ($600~ US), size wise I thought 27" worked pretty well for my uses, and I like having similarly sized monitors, anyway, I'd say I'm pretty set on between 27-32" 2) I'm undecided about 1440p vs 4k, I'm just not sure about the price difference between identical monitors minus the resolution. Probably IPS too, but not sure if there's some new innovations, whatever gets the best picture for my use case. 3) I really like the adjustment features on my S2716DG, particularly tilt (90 degree rotation) and elevation (adjust height, don't have to put books under the monitors to line them up), swivel and pivot I could do without, but I'm assuming usually it all comes in the package. 4) Small bezels are good (particularly the side and top bezel), and I place zero or negative value on any kind of gamer look. Aesthetic wise, the S2716DG is pretty much a perfect monitor to me, so something along those lines. 5) Both HDMI and DisplayPort i/o I run a 6700k + GTX 1070, but that shouldn't matter as I can upgrade the computer at any point when something nice comes along. Thank you for any help in advance  | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On January 30 2019 13:21 Doodsmack wrote: So in terms of an upgrade from an i5 4670, what would be a good motherboard/processor combo that would get me a substantial CPU upgrade? This is for RTS, RPG, FPS. I have a GTX 1060 6GB so of course I wouldn't want my CPU to get bottlenecked by that. Looks like i7 8700 is best bet for gaming. I think it's unnecessary, if you take a look at this hardware unboxed video: They compare the 4770k to a 8700k, and from a quick view and looking at the rough average performance in all the games tested, the 4770k was 80% the performance, the clock rate between the 4670 and 4770 is only 100Mhz slower for the i5, and the hyperthreading won't do much, I'd estimate 5% performance drop on average due to no hyperthreading (80% of games wont have any). So we're talking that you have 75% the performance versus switching to a 8700 + a new mobo, and that is IF you paired it with a GTX 1080ti, which has 11TFlops versus 4.4TFlops... Now, just a rough calculation of 2.5x less performance would mean 2.5x less drop (going on the safe side), so a drop of 8% instead of 25%. Pessimistically, you currently have 92% the performance of your mentioned upgrade, at 1440p the loss of performance would be even less (maybe 96% performance), and at 1080p, the GTX1060 should be able to handle games fine, totally not worth imo. If you really need a processor right now due to lacking processing power in productivity, I'd opt for a Ryzen 2600/2600X/2700/2700X, though right now is not a great time to buy. I'm optimistic that by the end of the year we're going to have a big breakthrough, with Ryzen 2 being printed on TSMC's 7nm which should have sent every other fab out of business lol. So at worst, we're going to see 12 core Ryzen, with clock rate improvements that will put it on par with intel when it comes to single core performance, all within $400 US dollars. And if you don't want to go with Ryzen, Intel will need to respond to that, and it's looking very likely that Intel will have their 10nm process on shelves by then too. We should see the biggest performance increases we've had in CPU performance / dollar in quite a few years, probably since 2011. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7055 Posts
On January 31 2019 14:53 FiWiFaKi wrote: If you really need a processor right now due to lacking processing power in productivity, I'd opt for a Ryzen 2600/2600X/2700/2700X, though right now is not a great time to buy. I'm optimistic that by the end of the year we're going to have a big breakthrough, with Ryzen 2 being printed on TSMC's 7nm which should have sent every other fab out of business lol. So at worst, we're going to see 12 core Ryzen, with clock rate improvements that will put it on par with intel when it comes to single core performance, all within $400 US dollars. And if you don't want to go with Ryzen, Intel will need to respond to that, and it's looking very likely that Intel will have their 10nm process on shelves by then too. We should see the biggest performance increases we've had in CPU performance / dollar in quite a few years, probably since 2011. For real? I just bought a new PC... Should have looked in here a few days ago I guess  | ||
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Simberto
Germany11739 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7055 Posts
On February 05 2019 06:31 Simberto wrote: It doesn't matter when you buy a new PC. Cool new better hardware is always just around the corner. The only way to be safe is to stay clear of anything hardware related for at least 1-2 years after buying. Did that for almost 8 years now. It was time I did a few things right I guess, bought a Ryzen 5 2600 which got pretty good power level for € invested and opened up the option to go for a RTX 2060 which will hopefully be enough for the next 4 years. And with the new PSU and MoBo I will hopefully be able to upgrade some parts again which wasn't possible with my old stuff anymore. Quick question though: Will the Ryzen 5 2600 bottleneck me (soon)? PC is only used for gaming, no audio / video work and stuff | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
I've bought four CPU's since the release of sc2 and it has been severely CPU bottlenecked by every one of them. Every frame could be completed in 1 or 2 milliseconds if it were up to the graphics card but the CPU is much slower and sometimes takes 20 milliseconds to make a frame under high stresses like having multiple supply capped players to simulate. If i had a ryzen 2600 instead of an 8700k @4.9ghz with 4000mhz RAM the game would run slower, even with a gtx1050ti in both systems. A Ryzen 2600 has solid performance both on ST and MT, it won't be considered terrible for a long time; it may even be considered to be like the i5 2500k v2 based on its performance and place in the market. Next-gen Ryzen dropping into the same socket with substantial improvements in core performance and more cores is also a great upgrade path. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
I think it wasn't a bad time to buy, as lots of the other tech is fairly matured and at good prices. You caught the new GPU's being released, and at a time where they aren't inflated with all the mining (though I probably would have bought a 1070ti for $400 CAD or 1080ti for $650 CAD 2nd hand). RAM is at $80 for 16GB, which is the lowest price we've had in over two years, and is lower than it's been in 6 of the last 7 years. https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/7ml1v6/if_ram_prices_continue_this_sinusoidal_trend_it/ SSD prices dropped very nicely in the last couple months, I can get a 500GB 860 Evo for $110CAD?! In 2017 and 2018 the prices remained fairly stagnant at around 40 cents per GB (in our north of the border currency), just around July 2018 we saw the drop start. Anyway, it was only the CPU space where it's not perfectly optimal. I mean eventually lower prices of NAND and DRAM will put pressure on the GPU's to lower prices, but Nvidia and AMD will resist as much as they can, and so the lowering of pricing will be very gradual, and probably not worth waiting to build a new system. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On January 31 2019 14:53 FiWiFaKi wrote: I think it's unnecessary, if you take a look at this hardware unboxed video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc08ZPc30Zs They compare the 4770k to a 8700k, and from a quick view and looking at the rough average performance in all the games tested, the 4770k was 80% the performance, the clock rate between the 4670 and 4770 is only 100Mhz slower for the i5, and the hyperthreading won't do much, I'd estimate 5% performance drop on average due to no hyperthreading (80% of games wont have any). So we're talking that you have 75% the performance versus switching to a 8700 + a new mobo, and that is IF you paired it with a GTX 1080ti, which has 11TFlops versus 4.4TFlops... Now, just a rough calculation of 2.5x less performance would mean 2.5x less drop (going on the safe side), so a drop of 8% instead of 25%. Pessimistically, you currently have 92% the performance of your mentioned upgrade, at 1440p the loss of performance would be even less (maybe 96% performance), and at 1080p, the GTX1060 should be able to handle games fine, totally not worth imo. If you really need a processor right now due to lacking processing power in productivity, I'd opt for a Ryzen 2600/2600X/2700/2700X, though right now is not a great time to buy. I'm optimistic that by the end of the year we're going to have a big breakthrough, with Ryzen 2 being printed on TSMC's 7nm which should have sent every other fab out of business lol. So at worst, we're going to see 12 core Ryzen, with clock rate improvements that will put it on par with intel when it comes to single core performance, all within $400 US dollars. And if you don't want to go with Ryzen, Intel will need to respond to that, and it's looking very likely that Intel will have their 10nm process on shelves by then too. We should see the biggest performance increases we've had in CPU performance / dollar in quite a few years, probably since 2011. So if I understand correctly, it's not worth it to get a i7 8700 without also upgrading the graphics card, because my gtx 1060 will bottleneck it? Depends on the game type and settings etc, but as a general matter there will be a lot of bottlenecking caused by the gtx 1060? | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On February 07 2019 00:25 Doodsmack wrote: So if I understand correctly, it's not worth it to get a i7 8700 without also upgrading the graphics card, because my gtx 1060 will bottleneck it? Depends on the game type and settings etc, but as a general matter there will be a lot of bottlenecking caused by the gtx 1060? It's not as clear as either CPU or GPU is bottleneck you. A better CPU will improve your graphics card performance, but not much, correct. You'd improve your gaming performance more by buying a better GPU like a GTX 1080 rather than a 8700 and new mobo (for a majority of games). | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
Currently running: Phenom II x6 1055T 3.5GHz gigabyte ga-890gpa-ud3h RX 480 16GB DDR3 ripjaws 60Hz monitor | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
On February 07 2019 11:11 DCLXVI wrote: I'm pretty bummed that I can't try that new battle royale game with my old Phenom II so I guess thats a reason to upgrade. I've been looking at some AMD FXs that will just get me there for $75-100 so I can play - but there might be some bios hassle to get one to work with my motherboard (gigabyte ga-890gpa-ud3h). I would rather not spend 300+ on upgrades right now but I feel like just getting the cheap patch cpu is a bigger waste of money. Do I have to junk the old mb with the cpu? If I go that far then do I replace the psu and finally get an SSD? Once I start buying parts I fear I might not be able to stop... Currently running: Phenom II x6 1055T 3.5GHz gigabyte ga-890gpa-ud3h RX 480 16GB DDR3 ripjaws 60Hz monitor The FX cpu's are not great upgrades. Many games include them in the minimum/recommended specs because they were the only recent AMD CPU's at the time but they performed far below their intel counterparts and at times below the phenom II's that you're currently running. Second gen FX (piledriver) was a bit of an upgrade in general but not much for lower threaded tasks. If you're looking to upgrade the CPU then the go-to would probably be a new mobo and RAM to support a ryzen 2600 or similar. At a low price you may be able to find some modern-ish second hand intel mobo+CPU that runs on your ddr3. | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
Given I am still running my 10ish year old seasonic 520W bronze psu am I risking too much by not replacing that as well? Corsair seems to have some decent 550-650W models for ~$80 with that same dimensions. One of those should be fine for 1 gpu and potential overclocking in years to come (though it doesn't look like the ryzen 2600 gains much from OC). There is a microcenter a short drive away that I'll take a walk through this weekend but where do you look for good deals on mb/psu combos now? I used Newegg when I built this but I've only heard bad things about that site since its ownership changed. Just buy everything off amazon prime for those reward points? Ryzen 5 2600 $165 some B450 mb - $80 (ASRock B405M ?) 2x8 GB DDR4 - $115 (Corsair Vengeance LPX) 650W Bronze psu - $70 (Corsair CX Series 650 Watt 80 Plus Bronze) = $430 amazon prices which is a little more than I want to spend. Do I shave on the mb more or the ram, or just wait for great sales? Thanks for your help | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
Not sure on the choice of mobo - if you get ddr4, try to buy at least one of the lpx kits at 3000c15 / 3200c16. Amazon is arguably the best place in the world to buy tech with their customer support and warranty/refund policies, highly recommend. Definitely don't touch newegg for any reason. | ||
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DCLXVI
United States729 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
DLSS, as it turns out, operates on a frame-by-frame basis. A Turing microarchitecture-based GPU has shader cores for gaming, tensor cores for large-scale compute/AI load, and RT cores for real-time ray tracing. As load on the GPU is applied, relevant to DLSS, this is predominantly on the tensor cores. Effectively thus, a higher FPS in a game means a higher load on the tensor cores. The different GPUs in the NVIDIA GeForce RTX family have a different number of tensor cores, and thus limit how many frames/pixels can be processed in a unit time (say, one second). This variability in the number of tensor cores is likely the major reason for said implementation of DLSS. It appears that the tensor cores are only fast enough to power DLSS at low framerates, so even a 2080ti cannot enable DLSS when the resolution is set below 4k in Battlefield - it has to either limit itself to a low FPS or disable DLSS. The feature would thus be absolutely useless for anybody trying to game at triple digit FPS, or even close to it if you weren't using a 2080ti. I'm amazed that it took so long for this to come out but it's clear that it's because there was so little support for the key technologies of Turing that even such a glaring failure wasn't obvious until half a year after announcement. | ||
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