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United Kingdom20326 Posts
On December 22 2018 21:51 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2018 02:11 Cyro wrote:
2019 is looking really good for CPU's. AMD's releasing zen2 on TSMC's 7nm process soon and have design changes that could bring substantial performance-per-core improvements and quite possibly a move to using 8 core dies from the ground up; maybe a few cores disabled for a 6c part at entry level, but 16 core on consumer - 32 for enthusiast - 64 for server.
Meanwhile Intel is bumping core counts more (up even more to 10-12+ after their recent jumps from 4 to 6 to 8 in response to ryzen) and making design changes to improve their core performance as well with wider cores and bigger caches. Since there'll be fierce competition (or even a chance for AMD to take over a wider segment of the market following Ryzen's success and the Meltdown/Specter fiasco for Intel) there should be pretty good pricing for consumers as well. If Intel fixes Meltdown/Spectre completely at hardware level, I might consider buying a new computer. I can't complain about my i7-5820k though. It's still super fast after 4 years.
Fixes so far have been pretty meh, not even getting any performance back. It's looking more likely that most of the performance loss from meltdown & spectre for skylake CPU's is going to stay gone.
You will get a good upgrade 2019-2020 time for sure 
On December 24 2018 09:08 Rizare wrote:
Got PC to assemble 2 weeks ago and it took a few hours with help but done. Now all pieces are in place with a new 144Hz monitor today. I thought I wouldn't really notice the difference because I don't play FPS game but just moving the mouse on desktop feels really weird and even Starcraft 2, the smoothness was noticeable.
I'll wait for Nier Automata to be on sale before playing it and hopefully the GTX 1060 6GB will be enough for 144Hz. The 1070 would be safer but the price difference was really big and I don't keep up with the latest AAA game.
Thanks everyone for the help. This PC feels like a massive upgrade to old one with just boot time.
Good to hear :D
I did a PC assembly this week, ended up with a dead mobo (or CPU, but unlikely) somehow and had to partially rebuild. Got a 1060 6GB too in there
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On December 27 2018 01:27 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2018 21:51 SC-Shield wrote:On December 19 2018 02:11 Cyro wrote:
2019 is looking really good for CPU's. AMD's releasing zen2 on TSMC's 7nm process soon and have design changes that could bring substantial performance-per-core improvements and quite possibly a move to using 8 core dies from the ground up; maybe a few cores disabled for a 6c part at entry level, but 16 core on consumer - 32 for enthusiast - 64 for server.
Meanwhile Intel is bumping core counts more (up even more to 10-12+ after their recent jumps from 4 to 6 to 8 in response to ryzen) and making design changes to improve their core performance as well with wider cores and bigger caches. Since there'll be fierce competition (or even a chance for AMD to take over a wider segment of the market following Ryzen's success and the Meltdown/Specter fiasco for Intel) there should be pretty good pricing for consumers as well. If Intel fixes Meltdown/Spectre completely at hardware level, I might consider buying a new computer. I can't complain about my i7-5820k though. It's still super fast after 4 years. Fixes so far have been pretty meh, not even getting any performance back. It's looking more likely that most of the performance loss from meltdown & spectre for skylake CPU's is going to stay gone. You will get a good upgrade 2019-2020 time for sure
Yep, if priorities haven't changed by then. :D Hopefully Intel doesn't force me to choose AMD. Ryzen seems like it gives quite a lot of cores, but I don't know how competitive it is for games, even with DirectX 12. Either way, this is still good because Intel will have to give more now.
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
On December 28 2018 04:55 SC-Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On December 27 2018 01:27 Cyro wrote:On December 22 2018 21:51 SC-Shield wrote:On December 19 2018 02:11 Cyro wrote:
2019 is looking really good for CPU's. AMD's releasing zen2 on TSMC's 7nm process soon and have design changes that could bring substantial performance-per-core improvements and quite possibly a move to using 8 core dies from the ground up; maybe a few cores disabled for a 6c part at entry level, but 16 core on consumer - 32 for enthusiast - 64 for server.
Meanwhile Intel is bumping core counts more (up even more to 10-12+ after their recent jumps from 4 to 6 to 8 in response to ryzen) and making design changes to improve their core performance as well with wider cores and bigger caches. Since there'll be fierce competition (or even a chance for AMD to take over a wider segment of the market following Ryzen's success and the Meltdown/Specter fiasco for Intel) there should be pretty good pricing for consumers as well. If Intel fixes Meltdown/Spectre completely at hardware level, I might consider buying a new computer. I can't complain about my i7-5820k though. It's still super fast after 4 years. Fixes so far have been pretty meh, not even getting any performance back. It's looking more likely that most of the performance loss from meltdown & spectre for skylake CPU's is going to stay gone. You will get a good upgrade 2019-2020 time for sure Yep, if priorities haven't changed by then. :D Hopefully Intel doesn't force me to choose AMD. Ryzen seems like it gives quite a lot of cores, but I don't know how competitive it is for games, even with DirectX 12. Either way, this is still good because Intel will have to give more now.
I'm expecting Intel to have the best ST performance after they release that arch but not as many cores. Still, having way more perf/core than a 5820k (the ryzen 2600 is already a bit better tech and zen2 should bring large improvements) with 12 or 16 cores on mainstream is enormous
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By the way, for anyone curious, this is what I eventually discovered had burned up in my other PC back when I was having problems. This is the circuit board for a GTX 760.
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/sd2UyhI.jpg)
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
That's ddr3 memory, you need two sticks of DDR4. At least 2133mhz but preferably 2933+. There's a Corsair Vengeance LPX kit which is a solid speed, quite affordable, low profile (no useless plastic bits sticking up and blocking compatibility) and the type of memory that works best with Ryzen. It should be this one - currently $123.49 for 2x8GB.
The CPU also has a cooler in its box which is possibly preferable to a bad aftermarket cooler.
Sorry for the super late reply
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
AMD's CES talk just happened, they announced the first consumer 7nm GPU and ryzen 3000 parts
The GPU disappoints bigtime IMO. It has rtx2080ish performance in games without raytracing but it has substantially worse efficiency, no rtx/dlss etc capability, some other tech missing (like an NVENC equivalent with NVENC being amazingly powerful now) and yet is priced the same as the rtx2080. At $500 i think it would have been great but not at $700 for reference with the good cards marking that up +$100-200.
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CPU is looking great, double chiplet (>8c) on consumer didn't materialize but they've made gen to gen core performance gains of more than +15% to roughly match the 9900k while using 47w less power. It's also a drop-in upgrade to the am4 boards from first and second gen ryzen with a bios update, due mid 2019.
Shortly after launch Intel should be showing up with 2 additional cores and substantial core performance improvements so i wonder what the planned response is to that. They may be happy undercutting Intel and selling an excellent 8c16t CPU for easily affordable prices instead of trying to leapfrog them again. The efficiency of zen2 looks amazing and should hold up well even as Intel moves to their refined 10nm processes.
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I'm super excited for Ryzen 2, my first major upgrade since 2015 can't come fast enough.
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I'm running this hardware and am having problems with overheating on max settings World of Tanks or SC2 medium/high graphics and a stream in background. My GPU is actually getting so hot that the HDMI cable starts sending blips to my screen. Any recommendations on hardware upgrades or even fan upgrades?
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3470 CPU @ 3.20GHz, 3201 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970
ASRock Mobo
16gb ram
Thanks!
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If your system is overheating, the problem is not what stuff your system is build out, but your cooling setup.
Clean your PC of dust, especially the inside and the fans/dust filters.
Monitor which parts of your PC get too hot. Is it only the GPU, or all of the inside? Use HWInfo for this. You might need to run a burn test like FurMark to monitor your temps under load. Check if the temps are actually too hot for your GPU. (Google what is expected)
If temps are not actually the problem: Figure out what the problem is (probably something GPU related)
If only GPU too hot: Check if it is in a position where it has good airflow. Clean GPU fans. Maybe remove GPU coolers, clean well, reapply new thermal paste, and reattach. Maybe underclock your GPU if nothing else helps. If your GPU cooler sucks, it might be possible to buy better fans for this. Google the specific manufacturer of your graphics card to see if this might be a problem.
If whole case too hot: Clean again. Check if you actually cleaned all the fans, there might be an intake fan hidden somewhere that you didn't find follow the fan power lines. Check what settings the case fans are running at. Possibly increase fan speed. If nothing of the above helped, buy better/additional case fans. Think about airflow.
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GPU overheating tends to be a result of bad airflow in the case in my experience. I'd try simply running it with the side off and seeing if that helps. Usually a good indication.
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Would it be a significant improvement in performance if I were to upgrade from an i5 4670k to an i7 8700?
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Depends on what you play, and also on the rest of your system.
Upgrading to a 8700 gives you additional cores in addition to higher clocks and IPC, but if you solely play AAA games at 60fps, then it might not make a real difference to you, or maybe upgrading other things would be more noticable.
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
Yeah, that could be a pretty enormous upgrade or basically irrelevant to you depending on what your game performance is currently limited by - and IF they're limited by the CPU, how much they scale with CPU core count rather than just core performance.
For tasks like video encoding that are well multithreaded you have an IPC gain + frequency gain + hyperthreading + 50% more cores - the performance could be 2.25x or so.
For CPU limited games gains of around 1.3 - 1.6x should be common, lower end for those that use very few threads and higher end for the ones that scale better.
Again that's improvements to the CPU performance, you'd only see that much of a gain (or any gain at all) if the CPU processing was slower than graphics processing in your particular config (game, resolution, settings, what you're doing ingame etc). For some types of games (RTS & MMO) that's basically guaranteed, while for others you may be severely limited by the graphics performance and be fine with even a poor CPU.
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Thanks for the advice, I mainly just noticed that BF V's minimum reqs are above an i5 4670, and I recently got BF V and noticed performance problems, although I'm now thinking that that particular problem is due to my wifi adapter. But still it might be nice to upgrade if it would actually be an upgrade. My cores are also topping out at 90-95 celcius which didnt seem good.
Have a GTX 1060 6GB and mainly play SC2, total war, action RPG type games. I play FPS but less often.
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
If they're hitting 90-95c in normal loads then you have a CPU cooling problem and your CPU might be throttling to a fraction of normal performance
those games do benefit a lot from CPU
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Yeah, 90-95°C usually means that your CPU cooler isn't attached correctly, or that you didn't apply thermal paste, or that your CPU fan is clogged/otherwise not working correctly.
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Or simply that it's overclocked beyond where it should be. Voltage increases in particular generate a ton of heat.
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