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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Even though Dice has scaled back the fidelity since the Nvidia demo, a rtx 2080ti cannot lock 60fps on 1080p ultra bf5. With raytracing stuff set to medium it has ~35% of the framerate that is has with raytracing off - enabling the tech at all seems to knock performance off a cliff. This is on the only game that supports RTX, two months after the product launch! The card also costs about 1.8x more than 1080ti's did on launch for comparable quality cards. | ||
digmouse
China6331 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Gamersnexus posted their amazon affiliate stats recently and in the last few months, their userbase bought ~15x more 1080ti's than they did Vega's. | ||
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mantequilla
Turkey781 Posts
 weird because I overheat and shut down with prime95 ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/niyQKWF.png) ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/MBRhVhj.png) | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
Brutal for the mid-range users trying to get a decent deal. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
The last time we had a real supply excess at a time with good competition between the two vendors there were some of the most popular cards selling at literally half of MSRP. -- With raytracing stuff set to medium it has ~35% of the framerate that is has with raytracing off - enabling the tech at all seems to knock performance off a cliff. Actually turns out this was a bug - the medium setting doesn't work, and it was using the values from High or whatever. There was also another value that i didn't notice, the low setting: 2080ti getting 1.8x lower perf on 1080p with the low raytracing setting enabled, 88fps down from 159. 2080ti getting 1.88x lower perf on 4k with low raytracing enabled, 44 down from 83fps. For Ultra, it's down to about 3x lower perf; the settings that Nvidia showed off on their announcement demos were higher than Ultra AFAIK. I'm glad to see some focus on graphical fidelity, this just isn't something that i'd use personally because of the extreme performance cost relative to the return; at least in the current implementation, the only one available. I also think that a lot of people that have that kind of $$$$$$ money would be using 1080p240 / 1440p144 / 1080p144 / 1440p60 or 4k60. Enabling a crippled version of the new feature only to be stuck at half of your screen's refresh rate in FPS on a game which released before them is not a great look for these new cards which cost literally twice as much as the last generation flagship (1080ti's). Why are they costing twice as much? They've advanced the performance and effective feature set by comparatively little so they're getting annihilated on performance per dollar. 1080ti's are outselling them so hard* that nvidia would be cutting their own heart out by end-of-lifing them as planned without a large cost reduction on the 2070/2080/2080ti. * ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/3wNSFh7.png) | ||
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Nilrem
United States3684 Posts
What is your budget? 2k range, wiggle room above What is your monitor's native resolution? Will be looking at monitors post build What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Star Citizen, Cyber Punk, Monster Hunter World, and future games down the road too. I play a lot of different and varying games so it is difficult to specify. Oh and the next Doom game too. Ultra settings What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Potential streaming but I also will have my current pc and can use that as the streaming system while gaming on this one Do you intend to overclock? Yes if necessary Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? Possibly down the road, if it ends up necessary Do you need an operating system? Not including it in this budget Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I will need monitor but that is separate from this If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Sticking to nvidia and intel What country will you be buying your parts in? US If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. N/A I am going with a white theme for this build. Currently sticking to 16GB of ram (2x8) and if need be, I can add two additional sticks down the line. For now I am ignoring the monitors since that I will seek advice on another time. The case I chose because, well I wont lie, I just think it is gorgeous. I am thinking of adding some lights inside but not going all out. The parts I am most uncertain about are the motherboard and powersupply. I never know if one day might go for dual GPU along with adding additional hardware so I wanted to get a good amount of power but without needing something crazy like 1k watt or whatever. I was looking for a solid motherboard and I probably picked something way more expensive than I should go for, so advice on that is needed. This will be my first build ever using some form of liquid cooling, for that I am quite new to. So I went with one that I believe is of sufficient size for my case and does not require tubing or anything too complex. I am going with a white theme here so originally looking for white-based hardware, hence the RAM. I am looking for longevity with my system, and although there is a lot of debate with regards to the GPU, I will be sticking with the RTX 2080 (not the highest model, I placed this model down as a place holder since do not know which specifically RTX 2080 I should go for, even though I know many would also recommend simply 1080ti instead to save cost).The 8700k CPU seems the most solid and in all honesty, I am not sold over the newer versions but that is just me. The i7 9700k is approximately $42.00 more which is doable, but I do not have much experience with to the etent of difference between 8 and 9 (I thought it was not that large of a difference). For my gaming purposes, this CPU seems sufficient. I have helped build PC for friends several times and always was jealous since mine is reaching the end of its life. So looking for this to last, let me know what you think and what suggestions. Thanks in advance! PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel - Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($409.99 @ Newegg Business) CPU Cooler: Corsair - H110i 113 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($115.89 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ELITE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($172.04 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill - Trident Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($119.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($127.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Black 4 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($188.99 @ Newegg Business) Video Card: EVGA - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB XC ULTRA GAMING Video Card ($829.99 @ Amazon) Case: Phanteks - ENTHOO EVOLV X GLASS (Silver) ATX Mid Tower Case Power Supply: Corsair - TXM Gold 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($86.80 @ OutletPC) Total: $2051.68 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-11-18 22:48 EST-0500[/spoiler] | ||
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digmouse
China6331 Posts
I moved my entire build to another case (NZXT H440) and now my launch Zotac GTX 1080 is starting to coil whine heavily under full load which was never a thing in the old one. Still looking at solutions since I don't really want to take it apart and add thermal pad to the DWM. | ||
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Yurie
12163 Posts
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mantequilla
Turkey781 Posts
Headphone DAC's are expensive, even the cheapest ones. They convert digital signal to analog to be fed to headphones. My monitor has a headphone jack. When I connect it to pc via hdmi, does the monitor do DAC's work? Even the cheapest motherboard has a DAC on it. Why those things are expensive if they are everywhere? | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
Targeting 500 gb ssd, 16 gb of ram, dedicated gpu for gaming, 15” screen. Primary targets would be similar to an dell xps15, not super interested in getting a razer type bc of how much more expensive they are for being “gaming” laptops. Any suggestions? Also generally as I never buy laptops not sure if Black Friday, cyber Monday, or literally any time is the best time for laptops *edit*maybe looking into the gigabyte aero 15x, seems to have everything i want in terms of spec, but there naturally seem to be competitors from MSI and asus around the same build quality and price range, would appreciate any thoughts from people | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
The endurance of the 850 evo gave me pause although it should have been more than fine; it's been increased a lot on the 860 evo. By 2x on the 256GB and 512GB versions, 4x on the 1-2TB and 8x on the 4TB. Writing 1,228,800 gigabytes (for the 2TB version) in a lot less than ~1,826 days to blow through your warranty early is a challenge, to say the least  | ||
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AdrianG001
3 Posts
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On November 23 2018 21:54 Cyro wrote: Amazon's got 860 evos and some other SSD's on sale for black friday, just picked up a bunch myself. The cost per gigabyte is under 1/10'th of what my first SSD was only 7-8 years ago and they're way faster and more reliable drives. The endurance of the 850 evo gave me pause although it should have been more than fine; it's been increased a lot on the 860 evo. By 2x on the 256GB and 512GB versions, 4x on the 1-2TB and 8x on the 4TB. Writing 1,228,800 gigabytes (for the 2TB version) in a lot less than ~1,826 days to blow through your warranty early is a challenge, to say the least Ive been looking to get a new ssd too, also got the 850 evo right now and want a 1tb one. Prices in Germany look a bit different though. The SATA 860 is 180€ while the m.2 version is 170€ right now. Then there are also the crucial mx500 1tb m.2 and the WD blue for about 150€. And then there is the evo 970 for 250€ which according to this site is much faster in every category. Is that correct and is it really worth the money, using it only for gaming and as the os drive? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
Ive been looking to get a new ssd too, also got the 850 evo right now and want a 1tb one. Prices in Germany look a bit different though. Was actually looking at amazon.co.uk and amazon.de with my friend yesterday. Some of them on amazon UK sold out and reverted to non-amazon pricing, meanwhile on amazon.de they originally had even lower prices in euros than amazon UK had in pounds (130 euro for 1TB LOL) but i guess they realized their mistake because it was increased mid-way through the deal. The mx500 looked good and has been very well priced recently too! Those other drives are a bunch faster because they're based on NVME over PCI-E interface rather than sata connector but they do cost more, you won't find one near 130 euro 1TB and the extra performance might not affect some of your benchmarks by much or matter for your usage. It's good to have, the question is just how much extra it's worth paying for it depending on your usage plans for the drive and priorities. My main reason for buying a huge SSD is so that i can trash my hard drive. Windows is incredibly stupid and even though i have OS on one SSD, paging file and programs on another SSD it often halts the entire operating system and waits for 5-10 seconds so that my unused data storage hard drive can spin up for whatever stupid reasons. Even an old-style sata connector SSD will completely remove that problem because there's nothing to spin up. It'll prevent a lot of small stutter from pagefaults on the HDD as well as they take orders of magnitude longer to resolve than they do on even a half decent sata SSD. If i were getting a performance drive it'd be way faster than either option. Maybe a 480GB pci-e based 3d xpoint drive - they're not 1.5x faster than a 960 evo on sata for low-qd small file size reads (one of the most important metrics), they're on a different planet. These are too expensive for now to buy in 1.5TB format though :D ![[image loading]](https://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph12136/burst-rr.png) | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
I just bought myself a 4TB HDD(probably the last one I'll ever buy), as I don't need SSD storage for videos and movies, and I still can't quite justify the ~4x price difference just for faster data storage. We're probably only 3-4 years out from fully phasing out HDD's in favor of SSD's as $/GB, as manufacturers get better and better at 3D NAND processes though, and I'll be pretty happy once that day comes. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20344 Posts
I guess that there are often other limitations in the system and OS+software isn't set up well to handle drives that are so high performance yet. In theory they should be capable of far more but this scaling beyond the typical sata 3 2.5" SSD's (~550MB/s sequential, 50MB/s 4k qd1) is mostly shown in select workloads at the moment + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/CL5zh0p.png) SO CLEAN | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
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Glacierz
United States1245 Posts
I haven't kept up with the new NVME SSD tech, if I want to expand the SSD capacity, what should I get (the spec says it has an extra slot that is M.2. SATA hybrid, not sure what that means)? Is the laptop version of the GTX 10xx card the same as the desktop version? My understanding is that the only difference is it runs at a lower clock. I haven't used a laptop in many years and seem to remember the mobile version of the same card is architecturally different... | ||
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Rizare
Canada593 Posts
Most intensive tasks that will be done on new PC: Nier Automata and Starcraft 2 RAM: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory GPU: MSI GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB GAMING X Video Card Motherboard: MSI Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Case: Very likely Fractal Design Define R6 Black which comes with 3 pre-installed fans PSU: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (Site sets it to 1000W by default) Questions CPU Currently, the i5-8600 is out of stock so I have to hope the shop will restock them. One thing that's currently going on though is that the i5-8600K is on sale for 329CAD instead of 359 until 29th Nov. and I could go for it if you guys think it's worth it. I'm aware the actual cost will be higher since I'll need to buy a thermal paste and an aftermarket heatsink. I mainly want to ask the followings: can the actual build support it, specifically the PSU? If it's worth it, then I think I'll have to go for it as soon as possible incase they run out of stock or hope that 8600 comes back if 8600K is no longer available. If that's not the case, how much of a downgrade are the i5-8400 and 8500? Cost difference compared to 8600 is just 20CAD for the former and 10 for the latter. If I do go for 8600K, I'm planning to go for this thermal paste but no idea for cheap heatsink. I saw that some heatsink came with their own thermal paste but no idea if it's better to get a different one or use the included one. RAM How safe is it to OC to 3000Mhz with current build? If I don't OC, is the actual speed going to be 2666Mhz or less? Monitor At the time of post, the followings were available ASUS VG248QZ on sale for 230CAD ASUS VP239H-P for 180CAD LG 22MB35PU-I for 140CAD So after the sales, I saw a 144Hz monitor where the cost wasn't at 300CAD. If I do go for it, I plan to get a Displayport cable unless the provided Dual-link DVI cable mentionned on the site is fine. I checked at the shop the difference between IPS and TN monitors and while I could see how the colors were different on TN monitor, it was at a weird angle which is never going to happen since I'm always in front of the monitor. I'm not planning to do color-sensitive work like photography or video editing so IPS isn't quite necessary but don't know how much of a difference it makes compared to TN. For reference, my current monitor is a 60Hz BenQ G2222HDH which is TFT LCD when I looked around and no mention of TN or IPS. I can't compare and see if 144Hz vs 60Hz makes a visible difference to me I looked around and as it turns out, the GTX 1070 is needed only if I play at 144Hz on the newest games which isn't my plan at all, just the 2 games I mentionned earlier and older. 144Hz TN worth it or stick with IPS? Cyro, I assume it still is if it's not FPS games with GTX 1060? | ||
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