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On November 27 2018 04:31 Glacierz wrote:I just bought this laptop for my wife and have a couple of questions: I haven't kept up with the new NVME SSD tech, if I want to expand the SSD capacity, what should I get (the spec says it has an extra slot that is M.2. SATA hybrid, not sure what that means)? Is the laptop version of the GTX 10xx card the same as the desktop version? My understanding is that the only difference is it runs at a lower clock. I haven't used a laptop in many years and seem to remember the mobile version of the same card is architecturally different...
Seems to be the same but with a lower TDP.
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China6330 Posts
On November 27 2018 06:26 Rizare wrote:Bunch of sales later and now I have components on hand although still can't assemble PC yet because I'm missing some because out of stock. So the incoming questions I have, I'll assume those are the relevant specs: Most intensive tasks that will be done on new PC: Nier Automata and Starcraft 2 RAM: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 MemoryGPU: MSI GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB GAMING X Video CardMotherboard: MSI Z370-A PRO ATX LGA1151Case: Very likely Fractal Design Define R6 Black which comes with 3 pre-installed fans PSU: SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (Site sets it to 1000W by default) Questions CPUCurrently, the i5-8600 is out of stock so I have to hope the shop will restock them. One thing that's currently going on though is that the i5-8600K is on sale for 329CAD instead of 359 until 29th Nov. and I could go for it if you guys think it's worth it. I'm aware the actual cost will be higher since I'll need to buy a thermal paste and an aftermarket heatsink. I mainly want to ask the followings: can the actual build support it, specifically the PSU? If it's worth it, then I think I'll have to go for it as soon as possible incase they run out of stock or hope that 8600 comes back if 8600K is no longer available. If that's not the case, how much of a downgrade are the i5-8400 and 8500? Cost difference compared to 8600 is just 20CAD for the former and 10 for the latter. If I do go for 8600K, I'm planning to go for this thermal paste but no idea for cheap heatsink. I saw that some heatsink came with their own thermal paste but no idea if it's better to get a different one or use the included one. RAMHow safe is it to OC to 3000Mhz with current build? If I don't OC, is the actual speed going to be 2666Mhz or less? MonitorAt the time of post, the followings were available ASUS VG248QZ on sale for 230CAD ASUS VP239H-P for 180CAD LG 22MB35PU-I for 140CAD So after the sales, I saw a 144Hz monitor where the cost wasn't at 300CAD. If I do go for it, I plan to get a Displayport cable unless the provided Dual-link DVI cable mentionned on the site is fine. I checked at the shop the difference between IPS and TN monitors and while I could see how the colors were different on TN monitor, it was at a weird angle which is never going to happen since I'm always in front of the monitor. I'm not planning to do color-sensitive work like photography or video editing so IPS isn't quite necessary but don't know how much of a difference it makes compared to TN. For reference, my current monitor is a 60Hz BenQ G2222HDH which is TFT LCD when I looked around and no mention of TN or IPS. I can't compare and see if 144Hz vs 60Hz makes a visible difference to me I looked around and as it turns out, the GTX 1070 is needed only if I play at 144Hz on the newest games which isn't my plan at all, just the 2 games I mentionned earlier and older. 144Hz TN worth it or stick with IPS? Cyro, I assume it still is if it's not FPS games with GTX 1060?
Your build will support the 8600K just fine, no reason to worry. In terms of monitors I would strongly suggest either go all the way down for a good IPS 60Hz monitor, or go balls out and get a high refresh rate Gsync monitor. High framerate makes a world of difference in competitive games.
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I'm running into a bit of an issue after upgrading my RAM from 16GB to 32GB. I know that not buying sticks in a kit can cause some issues but I'm unsure if that's what I'm seeing.
Installing went fine, XMP profile worked fine (I bought the same model as I already had) did one memtest pass initially without errors. About 10h later I had one memory management BSOD, did another full memtest - zero errors after 7 passes.
Something I noticed in BIOS is that DRAM voltage is reported as 1.644V when 1.65V is what the setting is at. I could bump the setting up to 1.655 but I'm a bit worried that's pushing it too much.
Specs:
MB: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-D3H
Processor: Intel i7-4770k
RAM: G.Skill Sniper DIMM Kit 16GB, DDR3-2400, CL11-13-13-31 (F3-2400C11D-16GSR), 1.65V
Is this a case where I should straight up send the sticks back, order a full 32GB kit and sell my old RAM? If yes, any recommendation at all for Haswell at this point in the 200-250€ range max?
That one bluescreen is the only issue that happened so far over the last 48h but I'm a bit paranoid that it will happen again in the future.
edit: Had two more crashes with different errors. My google-fu might not be 100% on point but they all sound like it might be some kind of driver issue that popped up after installing the new RAM. Just before I simply kick the new sticks out tomorrow, is there anything obvious I should be checking/doing instead?
edit2: Nevermind, took the things out. Had another crash, gave prime95 a shot and that also instantly bluescreened - even when I reduced the memory frequency.
I also found out that DDR3-2400 kits are apparently in really short supply, I can either wait 30d or wait 7d and grab a 2133 one for the exact same price. Not sure if the difference would be relevant at all, open to suggestions.
On another note I find myself randomly asking "Would Cyro approve of the amount of heatpaste I'm adding to my CPU?" whenever I take my cooler off and back on. Thanks, thread. <3
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Try running with just the new sticks and not the old ones.
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
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You need to check your CPU settings as well. Any manual or automatic overclocks
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Man, I waited 3 years to buy a new PC hoping a 1 TB SSD would drop in price, only to see it hover around $300 during the entire time. I finally bought a new PC last year and the damn things went down in price 50-60% this year.
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Germany11787 Posts
First lesson of buying computers or computer parts: Never look at the prices after having bought something.
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
Unless it's a Pascal card
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this reading by HWInfo seem like the sensor on the motherboard is just gone but things are normal right? iirc the reading was fine before I transferred my parts to a different case
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It's not especially uncommon for readings reported in software to be wrong, though I generally use my 800,000°F parts to power my apartment building.
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
2019 is looking really good for CPU's. AMD's releasing zen2 on TSMC's 7nm process soon and have design changes that could bring substantial performance-per-core improvements and quite possibly a move to using 8 core dies from the ground up; maybe a few cores disabled for a 6c part at entry level, but 16 core on consumer - 32 for enthusiast - 64 for server.
Meanwhile Intel is bumping core counts more (up even more to 10-12+ after their recent jumps from 4 to 6 to 8 in response to ryzen) and making design changes to improve their core performance as well with wider cores and bigger caches. Since there'll be fierce competition (or even a chance for AMD to take over a wider segment of the market following Ryzen's success and the Meltdown/Specter fiasco for Intel) there should be pretty good pricing for consumers as well.
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Any recs for a semi-affordable workhorse laptop that would be mostly used for graphic design purposes? I need a new laptop for architectural work, but everything I see around the 800$ is either old CPUs, not enough RAM, or touchscreen. I don't want touchscreen and I don't want a 5th gen i5 for 800$.
I saw a Dell and HP I think that was relatively decent, but as we all know, if you skimp on price, you'll pay later. Alternatively, I may just build a new PC instead and keep the price to $1200 which would include a decent monitor. AMD everything of course.
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Germany11787 Posts
Why do you explicitly not want a touchscreen? I can understand not putting much value on it (though it might surprise you, i didn't think i'd care for a touchscreen on my laptop, but i am using it a lot more than the touchpad nowadays), but i can't see a good reason for actively wanting to avoid it. If you don't care about it, you can just plug in a mouse and not use the touchscreen.
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I always plug in the mouse. I hate using the touchpad unless I absolutely necessary. I just don't see the value of it and I don't need it for what I do or intend to do. But it seems that it may be the only way unless I just build a rig that'll last 5 years (I don't game on PC like I used to, so keeping specs boosted isn't a priority).
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You can generally disable the touchscreen, so I wouldn't go out of your way to avoid it.
You also seem to be conflating the touchscreen and touchpad so I'm not entirely sure which one you're talking about.
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I meant touching the screen and moving/selecting items. I know the difference between the two. I've had a few moments to play with them but never in depth. If you can indeed disable it, then I'll look into one. But the added price for a feature I have no intention of using is what is keeping me from getting one.
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Yeah, you can disable it.
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On December 19 2018 02:11 Cyro wrote:
2019 is looking really good for CPU's. AMD's releasing zen2 on TSMC's 7nm process soon and have design changes that could bring substantial performance-per-core improvements and quite possibly a move to using 8 core dies from the ground up; maybe a few cores disabled for a 6c part at entry level, but 16 core on consumer - 32 for enthusiast - 64 for server.
Meanwhile Intel is bumping core counts more (up even more to 10-12+ after their recent jumps from 4 to 6 to 8 in response to ryzen) and making design changes to improve their core performance as well with wider cores and bigger caches. Since there'll be fierce competition (or even a chance for AMD to take over a wider segment of the market following Ryzen's success and the Meltdown/Specter fiasco for Intel) there should be pretty good pricing for consumers as well.
If Intel fixes Meltdown/Spectre completely at hardware level, I might consider buying a new computer. I can't complain about my i7-5820k though. It's still super fast after 4 years.
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Got PC to assemble 2 weeks ago and it took a few hours with help but done. Now all pieces are in place with a new 144Hz monitor today. I thought I wouldn't really notice the difference because I don't play FPS game but just moving the mouse on desktop feels really weird and even Starcraft 2, the smoothness was noticeable.
I'll wait for Nier Automata to be on sale before playing it and hopefully the GTX 1060 6GB will be enough for 144Hz. The 1070 would be safer but the price difference was really big and I don't keep up with the latest AAA game.
Thanks everyone for the help. This PC feels like a massive upgrade to old one with just boot time.
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