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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12080 Posts
March 13 2019 01:08 GMT
#13741
You should consider some sort of larger storage device. An SSD is really nice for running stuff, but with only 250 GB of total storage there is a big chance that you will get pretty annoyed by the lack of storage space. You might want to take a look at either a larger SSD or some sort of additional HDD.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-13 13:53:04
March 13 2019 13:48 GMT
#13742
250 GB should be enough as long as it isn't used for amassing a large video or picture or ISO collection. Lets say windows take up 30 GB, leaving 220 GB and modern games take up 30 GB (!) then you got space for 7 of those 30 GB games. And a lot of modern games can actually make do with 10 GB anyways.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
March 13 2019 13:53 GMT
#13743
250GB isn't enough. It's actually 232GB you really can use. Diablo3 takes 20GB, sc2 rather 30GB. GTA V uses 70GB.
Go for ~500GB.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12080 Posts
March 13 2019 14:43 GMT
#13744
Especially considering that games are not going to get smaller in the future, and you probably wanna use your system for a while. There is a bunch of games in the 50Gb range already, and i find it pretty annoying to have to constantly uninstall and reinstall stuff.

I know that i currently have a 250Gb SSD in my PC, in addition to a 1Tb HDD, and i still have to think about what to install and what to remove regularly. And i don't really have a lot of videos or any ISOs.

I mean, sure, i could probably do with just the SSD, but that would require me to very ruthlessly remove stuff as soon as i don't use it anymore. Which takes a lot of effort.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
March 13 2019 15:44 GMT
#13745
Well, I do have an additional 1TB HDD, so I tend to find it a bit easy to decided what to remove and install, but I suppose you are right that 250 GB SSD may not be enough. Especially since the rest of the build is not really budget now that I look at it.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 13 2019 19:48 GMT
#13746
Interesting discussion, guys, thanks! I can upgrade to 500gb, just to future-safe.
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10107 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-13 20:25:21
March 13 2019 20:24 GMT
#13747
No reason not to go 1TB on your SSD tbh. Price-point is decent and it saves you a lot of hassle in the future.

https://www.tweaktown.com/articles/8661/best-ssd-gaming-over-120-ssds-tested/index2.html

You can get lucky and find a good SSD on discount but in most cases the MX500 offers the best bang for your buck.
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byte-Curious
Profile Joined October 2018
Mexico107 Posts
March 14 2019 08:15 GMT
#13748
On March 13 2019 00:08 byte-Curious wrote:
Do Ryzen CPUs (or APUs in my case) still use these awful, flimsy long pins that are inserted into the mainboard socket?

I'm terrified of breaking them off.


Sorry, but does anyone know? I'm about to pull the trigger on my APU build and that's giving me pause.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
March 15 2019 00:52 GMT
#13749
They do yeah, but Intel uses similar pins as well - just on the CPU side. Either way it's the most fragile part of system building.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
SC-Shield
Profile Joined December 2018
Bulgaria904 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-16 10:45:46
March 16 2019 08:17 GMT
#13750
Well, no chance for Ice Lake this year. Intel is going to release Comet Lake (based on Skylake) with 10 cores. Very weak response to Ryzen 3000 series. :D

Edit: Is there a new flaw for Intel processors now? It's something called Spoiler: https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3072107/spoiler-flaw-affects-all-intel-cpus

Or research paper: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1903.00446.pdf
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20345 Posts
March 17 2019 03:41 GMT
#13751
Intel is going to release Comet Lake (based on Skylake) with 10 cores.


I'm not convinced of that part yet but it's not looking great for them ya
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
March 17 2019 06:51 GMT
#13752
I dunno, I notice little to no difference running most games on SSD vs HDD. Anything multiplayer is pointless since you're gated by the loading speeds of other players anyway. If you're going to spend extra for a bigger SSD you're probably better off just getting an HDD for storage space instead.
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
March 17 2019 09:48 GMT
#13753
Little to no difference at games on SSD vs HDD. The biggest difference is the loading screen and launching the game. From all Blizzard games, WoW and Diablo3 should be on SSD. If your opponent in sc2 is playing on HDD, your SSD power is wasted (you will see that at loading screen when you are 100% and your opponent isn't even 20% loaded) .WoW and Diablo3 are fully independent in multiplayer, so you can enjoy your SSD speed with it.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
kornetka
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Poland129 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-17 17:11:48
March 17 2019 13:17 GMT
#13754
Hi all,
I'm trying to put together a Pc for my girlfriend. She's not a hardcore gamer, but plays some titles like Diablo 3 and wants to play them comfortably.

What is your budget?
1000$, and I would rather keep the total cost as low as possible. I.e., I prefer to buy cheaper parts if the increase in the performance isn't essential/significant.

What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080

What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Diablo 3, the sims 4. Settings rather high, but not necessarily ultra ultra.

What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Internet, Netflix

Do you intend to overclock?
No

Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No

Do you need an operating system?
No

Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
No

If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
I prefer brands that are rather solid, I don't want to experiment here.

What country will you be buying your parts in?
Poland

If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
No


So far I've put together someting like this:
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: be quiet! - PURE ROCK 51.7 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: MSI - B450 Gaming Plus ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Video Card: MSI - GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6 GB ARMOR
Power Supply: SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Platinum 550 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
Case: SilentiumPC Gladius M35 (SPC128)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link - TL-WN881ND PCI-Express x1 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-17 08:43 EDT-0400
The total price of this setup is around the targeted 1000$.

I plan to give her my used GTX 1060 for 180$ (I'm not rich enough to just gift it to her unfortuantely) and buy myself a new card. Do you think getting rtx 2060 is reasonable (I'm using 1440p monitor for games like Witcher 3 and GTA 5)? Or should I consider other cards?

I'm far from being an expert, so I would be very grateful if you could tell me if this build seems all right or if I should change something.
Cheers
broodwar for ever
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12080 Posts
March 17 2019 13:58 GMT
#13755
Does she have all the peripherals? Keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers?

If not, and if those need to be in the budget, you probably need to reduce the total of that PC in some way. My rough guess is that that is a bit more power than you need for D3, but i might be wrong here. And a bit of futureproofness cannot hurt either.

Other stuff not directly related to the build:

I would be terrified to build a PC for another person. If i build it for myself, i know that the stuff is my stuff, and if i break something it is my fault. If i broke something that another person had paid for that would suck, especially if it is something that i probably can't afford to rebuy for them.

Similar thoughts with regards to the sale of that GPU: You will be selling to her at about ebay price, you might want to think about giving your girlfried a better deal. Also, if that thing ever breaks that might lead to some relationship problems.
kornetka
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Poland129 Posts
March 17 2019 15:14 GMT
#13756
On March 17 2019 22:58 Simberto wrote:
Does she have all the peripherals? Keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers?

If not, and if those need to be in the budget, you probably need to reduce the total of that PC in some way. My rough guess is that that is a bit more power than you need for D3, but i might be wrong here. And a bit of futureproofness cannot hurt either.

Other stuff not directly related to the build:

I would be terrified to build a PC for another person. If i build it for myself, i know that the stuff is my stuff, and if i break something it is my fault. If i broke something that another person had paid for that would suck, especially if it is something that i probably can't afford to rebuy for them.

Similar thoughts with regards to the sale of that GPU: You will be selling to her at about ebay price, you might want to think about giving your girlfried a better deal. Also, if that thing ever breaks that might lead to some relationship problems.


Yes, she has all the peripherals and I also think that a little bit of futureproofness is ok.
After quick internet search it seems that in my region the price of DHL/UPS/etc outweighs the benefits of buying things separately for the lowest price. So I will probably buy everything from one shop, and since they can put everything together for like 5$, I probably won't touch (and break) anything myself. Although it is interesting question how we could/will deal with a problem like this and the future failures of her PC. The 200$ is not set in stone yet, I will (probably) give her some bonus
broodwar for ever
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
March 17 2019 16:39 GMT
#13757
I have not looked at hardware in 10 9 years, which is how old my rig is. I have next to no clue what the state of the art is. I am currently considering an upgrade:

Primary use:
Deep Learning

Secondary use:
Cyberpunk 2077

I followed this guide for GPU selection and want to go for the RTX 2070 recommended there
http://timdettmers.com/2018/11/05/which-gpu-for-deep-learning/

Some questions:

1. I find cards with the RTX 2070 between EUR 500 and 700. What to look out for? Tech specs of the GPU itself all look the same
2. I would probably go for a middle of the road CPU like an i7 8700. CPU isn't terribly important for ML, would an i5 also do for gaming?
3. I am assuming I have to toss almost all my existing hardware. Is it likely that I can reuse my 500W PSU and my SSD (SATA) though, or have standards here changed a lot?
4. What's the difference anyway between RTX and GTX when it comes to gaming?
5. Anything in particular to look out for in terms of RAM and motherboard?
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-03-17 20:01:08
March 17 2019 20:00 GMT
#13758
On March 18 2019 01:39 zatic wrote:
I have not looked at hardware in 10 9 years, which is how old my rig is. I have next to no clue what the state of the art is. I am currently considering an upgrade:

Primary use:
Deep Learning

Secondary use:
Cyberpunk 2077

I followed this guide for GPU selection and want to go for the RTX 2070 recommended there
http://timdettmers.com/2018/11/05/which-gpu-for-deep-learning/

Some questions:

1. I find cards with the RTX 2070 between EUR 500 and 700. What to look out for? Tech specs of the GPU itself all look the same
2. I would probably go for a middle of the road CPU like an i7 8700. CPU isn't terribly important for ML, would an i5 also do for gaming?
3. I am assuming I have to toss almost all my existing hardware. Is it likely that I can reuse my 500W PSU and my SSD (SATA) though, or have standards here changed a lot?
4. What's the difference anyway between RTX and GTX when it comes to gaming?
5. Anything in particular to look out for in terms of RAM and motherboard?


1. Generally speaking, clock speeds and outputs, and in some cases, a better cooler (quieter for same temps).
2. higher end modern processors(i5 or i7) are all going to be fast enough for gaming. GPU is going to be a much bigger limiter in most titles.
3. SSD is reusable, PSU probably is as well. Nothing has really changed.
4. Practically speaking, as far as feature sets go, RTX has ray tracing support, but aren't fast enough to run most games with it. In practice get whichever one meets your price/performance point.
5. Mobo - Get one with features that you'd want (in general, 4 RAM slots, NVME slot, enough fan headers/USB headers to run your stuff. For RAM just pick a capacity(I'd recommend 16GB at minimum), and then pick a speed(higher is better).
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graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
March 21 2019 12:41 GMT
#13759
I would like to upgrade from 1920x1080 to 2560x1440.
Current hardware:
Gigabyte GA-B150-HD3P
16GB (2x 8192MB) Crucial CT2K8G4DFD8213 DDR4-2133 DIMM
Intel Core i5 6400 4x 2.70GHz
4GB Sapphire Radeon R9 380 Nitro inkl. Backplate
Dell U2212HM

I thought about getting the Dell UltraSharp U2715H, is my graphics card good enough to handle it?
Would I need to upgrade the card or other stuff?
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10107 Posts
March 21 2019 19:20 GMT
#13760
On March 17 2019 18:48 Dingodile wrote:
Little to no difference at games on SSD vs HDD. The biggest difference is the loading screen and launching the game. From all Blizzard games, WoW and Diablo3 should be on SSD. If your opponent in sc2 is playing on HDD, your SSD power is wasted (you will see that at loading screen when you are 100% and your opponent isn't even 20% loaded) .WoW and Diablo3 are fully independent in multiplayer, so you can enjoy your SSD speed with it.


SSD makes a noticeable difference for Hearthstone as well, game is really sluggish on an HDD.
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