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Zurich15366 Posts
On March 18 2019 05:00 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2019 01:39 zatic wrote:I have not looked at hardware in 10 9 years, which is how old my rig is. I have next to no clue what the state of the art is. I am currently considering an upgrade: Primary use: Deep Learning Secondary use: Cyberpunk 2077 I followed this guide for GPU selection and want to go for the RTX 2070 recommended there http://timdettmers.com/2018/11/05/which-gpu-for-deep-learning/Some questions: 1. I find cards with the RTX 2070 between EUR 500 and 700. What to look out for? Tech specs of the GPU itself all look the same 2. I would probably go for a middle of the road CPU like an i7 8700. CPU isn't terribly important for ML, would an i5 also do for gaming? 3. I am assuming I have to toss almost all my existing hardware. Is it likely that I can reuse my 500W PSU and my SSD (SATA) though, or have standards here changed a lot? 4. What's the difference anyway between RTX and GTX when it comes to gaming? 5. Anything in particular to look out for in terms of RAM and motherboard? 1. Generally speaking, clock speeds and outputs, and in some cases, a better cooler (quieter for same temps). 2. higher end modern processors(i5 or i7) are all going to be fast enough for gaming. GPU is going to be a much bigger limiter in most titles. 3. SSD is reusable, PSU probably is as well. Nothing has really changed. 4. Practically speaking, as far as feature sets go, RTX has ray tracing support, but aren't fast enough to run most games with it. In practice get whichever one meets your price/performance point. 5. Mobo - Get one with features that you'd want (in general, 4 RAM slots, NVME slot, enough fan headers/USB headers to run your stuff. For RAM just pick a capacity(I'd recommend 16GB at minimum), and then pick a speed(higher is better).
Thanks! I found this. Would you mind explaining a few things to me? https://medium.com/the-mission/how-to-build-the-perfect-deep-learning-computer-and-save-thousands-of-dollars-9ec3b2eb4ce2
What does running the SSD on "M.2" do? I assume it can shove data right into the GPU without squeezing it through a cable? And I assume that means getting a new SSD right?
How does AMD vs Intel CPU compare when it comes to gaming?
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United Kingdom20341 Posts
M.2 is just a faster interface to the CPU
Highest end Intel is the fastest for games right now (9900k) while AMD's budget options are most appealing (r5 2600)
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On March 15 2019 09:52 Cyro wrote:
They do yeah, but Intel uses similar pins as well - just on the CPU side. Either way it's the most fragile part of system building.
Thanks Cyro!
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What is your budget?
I dunno, $1500?
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1080x1920 x2 or 3
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Starcraft 2, (a fair amount of team games)
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Video and photo editing
Do you intend to overclock?
Probably
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
Yes
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
It's a soft budget, I'd ideally like to get a couple new monitors and then give my old rig to my kids
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
Intel, Asus, and EVGA are a strong preference though I understand the landscape has changed a lot in the last 7 years and those may not be warranted anymore
What country will you be buying your parts in?
'Murica
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Amazon
List: https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/3LFUFFQ8ANUVH?ref_=wl_share
Here is what I'm considering:
$140 Asus Prime Z370 a-2
$265 Intel 9600k
$130 EVGA Supernova 750w G2
$110 Corsair 16gb DDR4 3000
$70 Crucial MX 500GB SSD
$290 EVGA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti XC
$30 Cooler
$77 NZXT H500 case
I'll also probably get another mechanical hard drive at some point
So total without monitors and other accessories is around $1200? What should I swap out? What is overkill and what are the bottlenecks?
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A couple of other questions: my graphics card died yesterday, it was a 560 TI, paired with 2500k. If I want to get a replacement, should I go ebay used or something new and cheap? Its a 7 year old computer so I don't want to spend much to keep it going
With Windows 10 and the monitors I am looking at, it will put my build above a bit over 1500
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Hey Ugly,
I wouldn't think of the 2500k as a 7 year old machine. Depending how much use your kids will get from it, spending on a graphics card could be well worth it. A used GTX970 is around 100, so IMO getting maybe 8gb rx570 for ~150 new is worth the peace of mind. If the sandybridge system craps out you can always swap the GPU into the next machine.
Your build looks good to me. Hopefully serves another 7 years.
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Zurich15366 Posts
On March 22 2019 22:11 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2019 05:00 Amui wrote:On March 18 2019 01:39 zatic wrote:I have not looked at hardware in 10 9 years, which is how old my rig is. I have next to no clue what the state of the art is. I am currently considering an upgrade: Primary use: Deep Learning Secondary use: Cyberpunk 2077 I followed this guide for GPU selection and want to go for the RTX 2070 recommended there http://timdettmers.com/2018/11/05/which-gpu-for-deep-learning/Some questions: 1. I find cards with the RTX 2070 between EUR 500 and 700. What to look out for? Tech specs of the GPU itself all look the same 2. I would probably go for a middle of the road CPU like an i7 8700. CPU isn't terribly important for ML, would an i5 also do for gaming? 3. I am assuming I have to toss almost all my existing hardware. Is it likely that I can reuse my 500W PSU and my SSD (SATA) though, or have standards here changed a lot? 4. What's the difference anyway between RTX and GTX when it comes to gaming? 5. Anything in particular to look out for in terms of RAM and motherboard? 1. Generally speaking, clock speeds and outputs, and in some cases, a better cooler (quieter for same temps). 2. higher end modern processors(i5 or i7) are all going to be fast enough for gaming. GPU is going to be a much bigger limiter in most titles. 3. SSD is reusable, PSU probably is as well. Nothing has really changed. 4. Practically speaking, as far as feature sets go, RTX has ray tracing support, but aren't fast enough to run most games with it. In practice get whichever one meets your price/performance point. 5. Mobo - Get one with features that you'd want (in general, 4 RAM slots, NVME slot, enough fan headers/USB headers to run your stuff. For RAM just pick a capacity(I'd recommend 16GB at minimum), and then pick a speed(higher is better). Thanks! I found this. Would you mind explaining a few things to me? https://medium.com/the-mission/how-to-build-the-perfect-deep-learning-computer-and-save-thousands-of-dollars-9ec3b2eb4ce2What does running the SSD on "M.2" do? I assume it can shove data right into the GPU without squeezing it through a cable? And I assume that means getting a new SSD right? How does AMD vs Intel CPU compare when it comes to gaming?
So I have all my parts together.
Question: How can I move my existing windows license to the new PC? I have Win7 on there but I honestly don't know where I got it from originally and I don't have a license key or anything like that. It's a legit Win7 installation though.
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If you do not mind installing some software, I know that MyKeyFinder does work (although I cannot say if it is safe to use).
Another way would be to run cmd as admin, then type:
wmic path softwarelicensingservice get OA3xOriginalProductKey
However, this seems to not work on all systems and I have no idea why.
On the other hand, you could look at the registry (run regedit) and there go to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Installer\UserData
and search for ProductID ... there you should find they key somewhere
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Man, what a feeling to have half the parts at home, while the other half is yet to be shipped.
Got the APU, cooler, M.2, SATA HDDs and case. Mainboard is the last thing to be shipped, as always.
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Zurich15366 Posts
On April 02 2019 18:02 byte-Curious wrote:
Man, what a feeling to have half the parts at home, while the other half is yet to be shipped.
Got the APU, cooler, M.2, SATA HDDs and case. Mainboard is the last thing to be shipped, as always.
I know the feeling man, I ordered from 5 different shops and the pile of hardware is only slowly nearing completion :D
Xophy thanks man I'll try.
Update: So none of those methods worked for me. This tool here then finally gave me a key. Now I am somewhat nervous. Not sure if this is the right key that this tool is giving me... https://www.belarc.com/products_belarc_advisor
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On April 02 2019 18:15 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2019 18:02 byte-Curious wrote:
Man, what a feeling to have half the parts at home, while the other half is yet to be shipped.
Got the APU, cooler, M.2, SATA HDDs and case. Mainboard is the last thing to be shipped, as always. I know the feeling man, I ordered from 5 different shops and the pile of hardware is only slowly nearing completion :D Xophy thanks man I'll try. Update: So none of those methods worked for me. This tool here then finally gave me a key. Now I am somewhat nervous. Not sure if this is the right key that this tool is giving me... https://www.belarc.com/products_belarc_advisor
Why don't you just upgrade to Win10 , register your account and then load into that account with the new hardware?
Win7 support is pretty much over anyway
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United Kingdom20341 Posts
IDD. They've made it a nightmare to install windows 7 even if you wanted to use it through extended support (2020).
For a new build i'd definitely recommend sorting out an upgrade to 10 - i think you can technically even use a free upgrade from win7 to win10 keys, even.
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Zurich15366 Posts
On April 04 2019 15:10 Cyro wrote:
IDD. They've made it a nightmare to install windows 7 even if you wanted to use it through extended support (2020).
For a new build i'd definitely recommend sorting out an upgrade to 10 - i think you can technically even use a free upgrade from win7 to win10 keys, even.
Can I do that without a running system? Upgrade the license somewhere online and then download the Win 10 ISO?
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United Kingdom20341 Posts
Not sure sorry. I'm still on win7 myself for the moment
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Finally got around to building my Ryzen 5 - 2400g build in an InWin Chopin.
Gotta say, putting that together was a ride. I always thought the next step was going to super frustrating and confusing but it always turned out to be easy and self explanatory. The only exception being the front-panel pins, where I had to consult the mainboard manual to figure out which connector went where.
What I loved most was the Noctua fan, which came in boutique packaging, the mainboard, which even has a sleek looking heatsink for the m.2 SSD, and the clever internal management of the case.
The biggest nuisance is the retarded cancer-fest of Windows 10, getting rid of all the telemetry, ads and bloatware will be a pain. Even tiny details, like when you're making Firefox your main browser and Windows nags you to stay on Edge are so annoying.
Alas...
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@Zatic
You can just use a Win 10 installer (https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/software-download/windows10) and stick it on a USB.
When you install it, you can just use the legitimate Windows 7 product key and everything will work fine, no need to create a Microsoft account or anything.
Source: I did this like 2 months ago when I got a new system.
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Zurich15366 Posts
On April 04 2019 20:01 ChaoSbringer wrote:
@Zatic
You can just use a Win 10 installer (https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/software-download/windows10) and stick it on a USB.
When you install it, you can just use the legitimate Windows 7 product key and everything will work fine, no need to create a Microsoft account or anything.
Source: I did this like 2 months ago when I got a new system.
Yeah I read that, will certainly try it even if I have my doubts it's going to be that easy 
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and don't lose your product key. My PC (I use Win7 since 2010) ask me all 4 years about it. Looks like Win7 has an "expiration date" of 4 years.
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Zurich15366 Posts
On April 04 2019 20:17 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2019 20:01 ChaoSbringer wrote:
@Zatic
You can just use a Win 10 installer (https://www.microsoft.com/en-au/software-download/windows10) and stick it on a USB.
When you install it, you can just use the legitimate Windows 7 product key and everything will work fine, no need to create a Microsoft account or anything.
Source: I did this like 2 months ago when I got a new system. Yeah I read that, will certainly try it even if I have my doubts it's going to be that easy
Yeah so that didn't work at all. Got a new key off Ebay. Which worked suspiciously well.
Anyway, build was successful. Running a Threadripper 1920 with an RTX 2080 in a custom waterloop. Completely silent with GPU at around 40C under full load. Still waiting for the last part to ship to build it all into a case but so far it really exceeded my expectations.
Now where is Cyberpunk 2077 ...
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/LSzuVQJ.jpg)
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