EPTComputer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread - Page 673
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12642/amd-ryzen-2nd-gen-details-4-skus-reviews-19th | ||
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mantequilla
Turkey781 Posts
it takes too long and is boring for me. I mess with the cables too much. Especially sata and sata power connectors never align perfectly everything is bent and forced. Maybe the cases I work in are badly designed is there a general guide or sth or is it just common sense? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
For a comfortable and gentle build with completely new stuff (having to install case fans etc) it could take 2 or 3 hours. Some people go far faster, some far slower - probably most tightly correlated with how often you build and if you're holding a £50 or £1000 part  | ||
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Craton
United States17282 Posts
In my case I rarely ever build an entire PC from scratch, so there's usually a lot of time spent pulling parts out of the old PC and cleaning everything. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
I recently updated from a fairly ancient nvidia GPU driver and have been going crazy over the last week because of their drivers crashing seemingly at random, both idle and under load and then breaking everything until i restart the PC fully. Sometimes crashing every few minutes, sometimes being fine for 5 hours etc. I tried the 391, 390 and 388 family of drivers (including clean uninstalls and then reinstalls from safe mode) and all of them had problems, i underclocked my GPU core and memory and it didn't change anything. Turns out that the double rollback wasn't nearly far enough 'cause the nvidia drivers can't handle having firefox open since august last year and the last stable version is 385.41 which is old enough to not be on the nvidia drivers page any more but you can find it through their site search function or via google. A fix supposed to be coming in an upcoming driver. That's the kind of shit that made me fall out of the habit of updating to the newest ones in the first place | ||
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sc-darkness
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
Some leaks about ryzen+; some matching info with regards to significant cache/memory latency improvements (~10% on RAM, ~28% on L2 and ~10% on L3) this guy was reporting numbers at matching clockspeeds in some programs and games: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/sKMqU4Y.png) +9-14% perf clock for clock excluding ashes CPU test which is funnily probably not CPU limited If that's true then it'd mean a huge core performance jump 'cause there are frequency gains too. Frequency and IPC gains multiply so it could be 1.2x core performance gain for some games which is just massive for year-to-year gains and especially when that considering another architectural revision of Ryzen is due next year. | ||
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sc-darkness
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
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sc-darkness
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
Coffee Lake and Ryzen 2000 series are still beasts at the moment though, especially with some nice RAM. Samsung b-dies at e.g. 3466c14 look really nice for ryzen2 and coffee lake can hit higher frequencies with good latency, i'm testing 4000c17 atm. + Show Spoiler + A while ago lots of people got excited about the L4 cache on broadwell, 128MB capacity and performance specs here: ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/P2Ixyz8.jpg) It had a big impact on a lot of game benchmarks, giving broadwell performance leads over skylake w/ 2133c15 ddr4 in many games despite skylake's substantially more powerful and higher clocked cores. ----- ~1600c9 ddr3 or 2133c15 ddr4 is nowhere near as fast as that Broadwell L4 cache but high end DDR4 performance has caught up and overtaken it since ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/n5pdGJH.png) This has 117% of the read bandwidth, 98% of the latency and 128x the capacity.. the performance gains of having this compared to slow RAM is huge for a lot of games. I didn't realize that RAM was so strong nowadays! This kit cost ~55% more than the cheapest stuff (2400c16) that probably nobody should be using on a gaming system. | ||
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Archangelsc2l
Bulgaria24 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On April 21 2018 23:54 Archangelsc2l wrote: guys will ryzen 2600X be good enough for 1v1 low/medium settings during a stream. What I want is to not drop below 80-90fps in ling bane vs bio clash close to max supply scenerio. Currently I am with i5-4460 and I am suffering heavy frame drops during big fights. I am most of the time unable to micro properly in that period of time... If I don't stream the CPU handles those fights a little better but I still feel heavy frame drops sometimes. I use 144hz monitor 1080p sc2 will be mostly limited by singlethreaded and some memory performance but high stream resolution/FPS with CPU encoding also needs leftover cpu cores to maintain an 8600k will probably do it better than a 2600x but it's hard to say how much better for lack of ryzen benchmarks in SC2 | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
On April 17 2018 11:12 Cyro wrote: Quick note for anyone having the same issue I recently updated from a fairly ancient nvidia GPU driver and have been going crazy over the last week because of their drivers crashing seemingly at random, both idle and under load and then breaking everything until i restart the PC fully. Sometimes crashing every few minutes, sometimes being fine for 5 hours etc. I tried the 391, 390 and 388 family of drivers (including clean uninstalls and then reinstalls from safe mode) and all of them had problems, i underclocked my GPU core and memory and it didn't change anything. Turns out that the double rollback wasn't nearly far enough 'cause the nvidia drivers can't handle having firefox open since august last year and the last stable version is 385.41 which is old enough to not be on the nvidia drivers page any more but you can find it through their site search function or via google. A fix supposed to be coming in an upcoming driver. That's the kind of shit that made me fall out of the habit of updating to the newest ones in the first place If it's useful to you (I'm also slow with updating due to all the Shadowplay bullshit Nvidia is pulling) I'm on 836.47 and using waterfox instead of firefox. No issues with driver crashes there. | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On April 20 2018 08:47 Cyro wrote: If you're coming from an older platform and not particularly fussed for the time of the buy then 2h 2019 will probably bring good things for both Intel and AMD. Coffee Lake and Ryzen 2000 series are still beasts at the moment though, especially with some nice RAM. Samsung b-dies at e.g. 3466c14 look really nice for ryzen2 and coffee lake can hit higher frequencies with good latency, i'm testing 4000c17 atm. + Show Spoiler + A while ago lots of people got excited about the L4 cache on broadwell, 128MB capacity and performance specs here: It had a big impact on a lot of game benchmarks, giving broadwell performance leads over skylake w/ 2133c15 ddr4 in many games despite skylake's substantially more powerful and higher clocked cores. ----- ~1600c9 ddr3 or 2133c15 ddr4 is nowhere near as fast as that Broadwell L4 cache but high end DDR4 performance has caught up and overtaken it since This has 117% of the read bandwidth, 98% of the latency and 128x the capacity.. the performance gains of having this compared to slow RAM is huge for a lot of games. I didn't realize that RAM was so strong nowadays! This kit cost ~55% more than the cheapest stuff (2400c16) that probably nobody should be using on a gaming system. Tiger Lake? Well, Intel brings good stuff with each generation but do you refer to anything in particular? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On April 22 2018 23:00 sc-darkness wrote: Tiger Lake? Well, Intel brings good stuff with each generation but do you refer to anything in particular? Icelake and Ryzen 3000 | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
On April 22 2018 06:20 Cyro wrote: sc2 will be mostly limited by singlethreaded and some memory performance but high stream resolution/FPS with CPU encoding also needs leftover cpu cores to maintain an 8600k will probably do it better than a 2600x but it's hard to say how much better for lack of ryzen benchmarks in SC2 Not for streaming, Ryzen is actually miles ahead when it comes to it. Someone did benchmarks on how it does in games and during streaming : Its not even close, in dota 2 the frame delivery with ryzen is up 30% , 26% in pubg... If you are looking to stream ryzen is the go-to CPU. | ||
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