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Craton
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sc-darkness
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 Edit: Some people say it's a problem, but hopefully my heat sink is fine. Here it is: http://www.dvtests.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/IMG_8986.jpg | ||
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semantics
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Another country means it's going though multiple systems, maybe even opened and repacked a bit by customs so the risk increases. That being said what done is done. | ||
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R1CH
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
Tower- I just kind of like the way this thing looks and seems to have a bunch of space/fans + Show Spoiler + Power supply-If I can get away with a smaller one let me know. + Show Spoiler + CPU/Motherboard combo- I don't know if I should skimp on on these components. So I was thinking of getting this combo. + Show Spoiler + Memory- Would I be better off buying like 4x8 sicks, or do i even need 32GB ? I have no idea. Feels like this maybe overkill? + Show Spoiler + SSD- Seems good/cheapish? Never had a SSD before, should I even bother getting a HDD if i have this? + Show Spoiler + Graphics Card-Should i just pay another 200$ to get a 1080? Is it worth it in the long run? + Show Spoiler + Monitor-Seemed good/cheap? + Show Spoiler + CPU Fan-Seemed good/cheap? + Show Spoiler + Is there anything else I'm forgetting fellas that I need/should be buying? Thanks a bunch guys for any advice/tips. EDIT: sorry i'm a idiot and did not answer all the stuff in the OP. What is your budget? I guess I don't really have one but as cheap as possible to last until the components become so outdated stuff starts running like crap again. What is your monitor's native resolution? Buying a new one What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Pretty much everything What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? porn? Do you intend to overclock? no Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? no Do you need an operating system? yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? monitor If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. no, but i am a big fan of reliability. What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Not really but i have always used newegg in the past. | ||
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z0rz
United States350 Posts
On February 14 2018 13:06 InToTheWannaB wrote: Tower- Hard to advise since it's pretty much 100% personal preference. I don't think the 750D is the best option out there, especially for the money, but I'm sure you could do worse. If you want to keep looking: decide which size case you want, then how much you value noise vs airflow (the best airflow cases are going to be louder), then pick what looks nice and gets good reviews from there.Hello guys, My computer's about 6 years old and it's starting to have major problems running stuff and blue screens a lot now. So i'm going to build a new one and as always i'd like to rely on you fine folks to tell me what i need to buy. I don't overclock, and while I don't really care about having top of the line everything. I'd like the PC to last another 5+ years without worrying about having to upgrade again. Tower is on its 3rd build and monitor is beat up so i'll be getting a whole new setup this time. I also have never done liquid cooling, so I'd like to avoid that craziness if at all possible. This what I have so far in my basket on newegg. Let me know what you guys think is overkill or what I should spend more on. PSU- A lot of people will tell you you can go lower on the wattage (and they're 100% right; even with a GTX 1080, a quality 500W PSU is plenty), but the one you linked is solid and you would only save like $20 tops by scaling it down. Personally, I'd rather have that extra headroom for $20. Totally up to you. CPU- This is the big one. There's really no reason to get a 7700K over an 8700K right now. 8700K has 50% more cores/threads (4/8 vs 6/12) for the same price as the combo you listed - $350 for an 8700K and $150 for a solid Z370 mobo. It's a no-brainer and much better for the future. Memory- 16GB is plenty for porn and games. Get 2x8GB now and get another 2x8GB later if you feel like you need it. RAM prices are out of control right now anyway. SSD- If you don't download much music/porn/movies/porn/etc, don't play a ton of different games at the same time, and don't mind managing which games are installed/uninstalled on a regular basis, 500GB is fine. If not, get an extra HDD if you download lots of media, or get a bigger SSD if you want to be lazier with managing game installations. It's mostly up to you and your habits. GPU- Prices are nuts right now because of the resurgence of crypto mining. Your link currently shows a GTX 1060 for $629 which is over double its cost at launch ($249). Don't buy that. You can find GTX 1080s for $650ish these days, but they sell out quick. There are some forums/subreddits out there that post deals when they find them, so I'd suggest finding an active community, maybe a browser extension to alert you, etc, so you can attack when something actually sells at MSRP, heh. Monitor- Honestly, I'd shoot for a 144Hz 1080p monitor, especially if you end up getting a GTX 1080. If you've never experienced 144Hz, it's a game changer to say the least. But, again, this is 100% up to you. Just know that a GTX 1080 would be a huge waste of money (and time, since you gotta find one) if you're only running 1080p 60Hz; either crank up the resolution, refresh rate, or both with that GPU. CPU Fan- Solid choice since you aren't interested in overclocking. But I do have to say, overclocking is pretty easy these days and, aside from having to buy a beefier heatsink, is pretty much free performance. And you get an extra sense of pride once you get everything dialed in :D | ||
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
On February 14 2018 17:40 z0rz wrote: Thanks man. This just the kind of thing i was looking for.Tower- Hard to advise since it's pretty much 100% personal preference. I don't think the 750D is the best option out there, especially for the money, but I'm sure you could do worse. If you want to keep looking: decide which size case you want, then how much you value noise vs airflow (the best airflow cases are going to be louder), then pick what looks nice and gets good reviews from there. PSU- A lot of people will tell you you can go lower on the wattage (and they're 100% right; even with a GTX 1080, a quality 500W PSU is plenty), but the one you linked is solid and you would only save like $20 tops by scaling it down. Personally, I'd rather have that extra headroom for $20. Totally up to you. CPU- This is the big one. There's really no reason to get a 7700K over an 8700K right now. 8700K has 50% more cores/threads (4/8 vs 6/12) for the same price as the combo you listed - $350 for an 8700K and $150 for a solid Z370 mobo. It's a no-brainer and much better for the future. Memory- 16GB is plenty for porn and games. Get 2x8GB now and get another 2x8GB later if you feel like you need it. RAM prices are out of control right now anyway. SSD- If you don't download much music/porn/movies/porn/etc, don't play a ton of different games at the same time, and don't mind managing which games are installed/uninstalled on a regular basis, 500GB is fine. If not, get an extra HDD if you download lots of media, or get a bigger SSD if you want to be lazier with managing game installations. It's mostly up to you and your habits. GPU- Prices are nuts right now because of the resurgence of crypto mining. Your link currently shows a GTX 1060 for $629 which is over double its cost at launch ($249). Don't buy that. You can find GTX 1080s for $650ish these days, but they sell out quick. There are some forums/subreddits out there that post deals when they find them, so I'd suggest finding an active community, maybe a browser extension to alert you, etc, so you can attack when something actually sells at MSRP, heh. Monitor- Honestly, I'd shoot for a 144Hz 1080p monitor, especially if you end up getting a GTX 1080. If you've never experienced 144Hz, it's a game changer to say the least. But, again, this is 100% up to you. Just know that a GTX 1080 would be a huge waste of money (and time, since you gotta find one) if you're only running 1080p 60Hz; either crank up the resolution, refresh rate, or both with that GPU. CPU Fan- Solid choice since you aren't interested in overclocking. But I do have to say, overclocking is pretty easy these days and, aside from having to buy a beefier heatsink, is pretty much free performance. And you get an extra sense of pride once you get everything dialed in :D | ||
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karthikvarunan
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FFGenerations
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I am switching from my Desktop machine to a laptop, due to a change in circumstances. Therefore, I have very little experience with laptops, and would appreciate any comments or suggestions to get me on the right track. I need to buy within the next 2 weeks, and located in the UK. I don't know anything about refurbished deals/reliability, but I am open to it!!! I am moving to Japan soon, and therefore that may affect warranties, or I-don't-know-what. What I want to do with it: 1) Open 90 tabs in Chrome easily 2) Some video editing, with no issues, lag, crashing etc 3) Sometimes play lower-graphics games, such as Life Is Strange and Dota (on max setting) 4) I want a large (ish) screen (NOTE - actually this is not important, because i can bring my large desktop monitor with me in my suitcase and plug it into the laptop when i'm at home with it, right? 5) Watch Twitch/Youtube videos in 1080p (or even higher?) My budget is anywhere from £300-£600 (based off of your advice). Thank you so much for reading! ^-^ edit: i get the impression that 15 inch screen is standard if i want decent specs , rather than 17inch... edit2: actually theres no reason why i cant pack my current 27inch desktop monitor and bring it with me in the suitcase, and plug it into the laptop when im at home with it, right? nice... | ||
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Craton
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
I looked around various replacement options and this Linus video sums up my frustration with monitors so far. Ideally I'd be happy to purchase an IPS, 30", 16 : 9 with ~120hz and G-Sync at ~700€. After ten years on a great piece of electronic that was (almost) just missing the refresh rate from that list I would have assumed this to be easy, but apparently this monitor doesn't exist, and the few that come close seem to be so close to better options that they don't really seem viable. I'm fine spending around 1000€ if I do get something proper out of it, G-Sync is highly preferred. I would technically be open to going for a FreeSync option but not having any idea on when AMD (or Nvidia for that matter) graphics cards are available again without being massively overpriced I don't think that's reasonable. I'm set on IPS (or something very close) because of both the colors and the viewing angle. I believe I'm okay going down to 100hz but I honestly don't know. I've dabbled around on 144hz and it was a revelation, most people so far told me that 100hz will still be great. Various large 1080p options are something I'm not really considering so far, especially after comparing my old display to the modern UW ones on displaywars. Considering I would gain an additional screen space of 14 square inches (lol) I don't think going down in the amount of pixels is a smart choice, but some input would be cool here as well. It becoming annoying for generic desktop usage is what I'm most afraid of, for games I don't think there would be an issue. Some options I looked at (amazon.com links but I'll mention my prices):
The AOC (my preferred pick) makes me a bit worried about the panel, I trust an IPS to stay fine for 5+ years but I'm not entirely sure on this one. It also has a 27ms input lag but I'd be willing to buy and send back if I can't handle that at all. What I noticed when comparing my old setup to both ultrawide and to a 32" 16 : 9 is that the latter actually gives me more screen estate when it's vs 34" UW and a bit less when it's vs a 35" UW. That's where I think I'd appreciate some input the most. 120€ (LC vs ASUS) isn't enough of a difference to matter one way or another, but it's basically between: A) 16 : 9, 2560x1440, 144hz. B) 21 : 9, 3440x1440, 100hz, curved. These seem like more of sidegrades when compared with each other so a few thoughts either way would be welcome. I'm using one 2nd monitor as of now and I'm fine sticking with that as well. Turning it into a 3 monitor setup down the line is an option but would be more a "because I can" than because I actually feel a need for it. If there would be something like that LG on the market for ~750€ then I would bite instantly, but I don't think it exists until you go down to 27". e: Just realized the LG is a VA panel as well. Colors sound fine but the viewing angle doesn't. Ugh. ;_; | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20323 Posts
I've dabbled around on 144hz and it was a revelation, most people so far told me that 100hz will still be great. 100 is closer to 144 than to 60 but it's still a pretty big drop. High max refresh rates, low minimum and a large gap between max and min also benefit gsync but 30 to 100 should be a fine range, that's around the start of what i would recommend for adaptive refresh It also has a 27ms input lag but I'd be willing to buy and send back if I can't handle that at all. By what measurement? Tftcentral measures the display as adding around 5ms of latency for fastest response, not more than 1-2ms off the best options. The main thing that would worry me there are the average and max response times - http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/aoc_agon_ag352ucg/response_10.jpg comparing to the pg258q which is one of the best out there + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/MeO8TjR.png) i'm not sure how much of that difference is due to response time and how much due to refresh rate loss but it's quite a dramatic change in motion performance. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14080 Posts
By what measurement? I got that value from the German equivalent to tftcentral over at prad.de (google translate link, you should be able to get what they mean). Their gist is that response time becomes good at higher overdrive settings (even though they said 'medium' is the highest you can push without issues) but that latency is at 27.9 ms on average. I have to admit that none of this really makes me happy. I almost but decided to say fuck it and just go for the Asus ROG Swift, but then found out about the Alienware AW3418DW (120hz!), which sounds perfect (not even the branding is terrible!). Only retention issues mentioned in this review are a cause for concern but since tftcentral doesn't mention that at all it might just be a specific issue with his unit. Kinda funny that I'm arriving at Dell again. Of course the Alienware has availability issues, I can get it right now for 1200€ or wait 10 weeks for a price of 1000€. I think I'll bite the bullet and pre-order it there and get myself a cheap 60hz 27" that I'll use a primary display now, but as a secondary monitor when the thing arrives. I think that's probably my best option with the least compromises. Man, I'm really hoping I don't regret ultrawide compared to what I had going. It looks cool in stores but in the end all I'm trading is a bit of height vs a bit of width. :3 | ||
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FFGenerations
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I'm about to buy this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Acer-Predator-Helios-GeForce-Keyboard/dp/B06Y4GZS9C Note it uses the 6mb gtx60, has 16gb ram, 256 ssd, 15 inch screen, includes VAT Please do your best to criticise the purchase my original post on reddit from today https://www.reddit.com/r/laptops/comments/80yb9v/want_to_buy_tonight_4k_screen_uk_600800_8001100/ | ||
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teamamerica
United States958 Posts
Answered survey questions below: + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? ~$3000 USD. What is your monitor's native resolution? 3840 x 2160 60hz What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Starcraft II, Overwatch, Civ 6 What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Running one VM/IDE (giving intellij its requisite Xmx=4gb)/game/streaming site at same time would be ideal, and being able to easily tab through them. Do you intend to overclock? Yes. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? No Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. No What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Frys, Newegg, Amazon (have prime). The options I'm looking at are: + Show Spoiler + Case: CORSAIR Crystal Series 570X RGB Mirror Black Tempered Glass, Premium ATX Mid Tower Case. Looks good imo. Airflow looks good.Price: $189. Mobo: ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero. ASUS bios have good reputation it seems, should be easy to OC CPU a bit. Supports 3200mhz ram. Should have enough PCI slots for a single 1080ti + pci ssd. Price: $260. CPU: Intel Core i5-8600K. I'd like to do basic overclocking, but I'm not sure if I'll need the hyperthreading or extra cores of i7/ryzen builds. Price: $240. GPU: The price of this alone is enough to make me consider a prebuilt from falcon/origin/avadirect to be honest. Asus ROG Strix GeForce GTX 1080 Ti OC Edition 11GB 352-Bit GDDR5X Graphics Card. Seems like it has a good reputation for being quiet. My fallback is something from EVGA (hear they have good warranty) i.e. EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC Black Edition GAMING 11GB 352-Bit GDDR5X Graphics Card. Price: at least $1,000. RAM: G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16D-16GTZR3200mhz ram seems like it buys a small improvment, gskill trident seems to be well reviewed ram. Leaves 2 dimm slots if I feel need to increase. Price: $216. SSD: SSamsung SSD 960 EVO NVMe M.2 1TB. PCIe SSD. Compiling software/VM bootup/gaming would all benefit from SSD so I'd rather get a 1tb ssd and comfortably keep everything on it. I filled up 512gb SSD on old laptop. Price: $450. HDD: None. If I end up collecting media I'll get a WD green probably. PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G3, 220-G3-0750-X1, 80+ GOLD, 750W Fully Modular, EVGA ECO Mode with New HDB Fan. I'd like a quiet + modular PSU. Mixed reviews of eco mode effectiveness though. Price: $120. Case fans: Would use stock ones from case. CPU heatsink: Noctua NH-L9i 92mm SSO2 CPU Cooler. I'd get liquid cooling if it was quieter but I don't think overclocking to the extent asus bios supports in profile will need liquid cooling otherwise? Price: $40. Total Case $190 Mobo $240 CPU $240 GPU $1000 RAM $216 SSD $450 HDD $0 PSU $189 Case Fan $0 Heatsink $40 $2565 (tax) $256 $2821 1: Build (detailed above) - $2821. asus rog 1080ti/i5-8600k/1tb samsung 960evo pci ssd/16gb gskill ram@3200mhz. Plus: Fun to build (never have before), easier to upgrade maybe since I'll know all parts in it. Better mobo gives me opportunity to overclock CPU+ higher ram speeds if I want. Easier to upgrade by virtue of knowing all parts in it currently. Minus: Lack of comprehensive warranty. Not a mini-itx build. 2. Falcon-Northwest Tiki - $3350. Don't know any parts manufactures here but: 1080ti/i5-8600k (falcon will do some overclocking, unclear to what clock rate though), 1tb intel pci-e ssd, 16gb ram@2400mhz. Plus: Easy. 3 year support. Looksgreat. Minus: Worried about noise from build since small case. 3. Origin Chronos: $3600. 1080ti/i5-8600k/1tb samsung 960evo pci-e ssd, 16gb ram@3000mhz Plus: Easy. 3 year parts/labor with free shipping. Evolve program for upgrading hardware at discount. Looks great. Minus: Same as falcon. More expensive then falcon too. The questions I have are: 1) Am I skimping on anything dumb in build? 2) Given current state of GPU + ram prices, does anything look amazingly dumb overprice? I'm not clear how much money I could look to save by being a bit smarter in choices and waiting for sales. I would like to keep CPU/GPU/ram options to get a really fast PC. I like the ASUS for it's support of oc + fast ram easily through bios from what I've read. If anyone has strong reviews about asrock taichi/aourus mobos I think I could save ~$100 there. 3) If I'm really optimizing for a quiet build, any swaps you recommend? I've not yet verified all parts are compatible with each other (e.g. all the parts can fit on mobo in case without bad ventilation, so I'd appreciate any advice there. I'm not sure how much of a concern that should be for me, given I feel I have pretty standard options (mid-tower, ITX mobo). I will do that before buying definitely though. Thanks for any advice! ps; fuck people with their 1080ti builds on PC part picker who then say "I got my 1080ti for free for being an asshole so I didn't count it in build price". | ||
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Sr18
Netherlands1141 Posts
Case You say you want to optimize for a quiet pc. When I was looking into that, I found great reviews for the Fractal Design Define R6 case. You can compare the reviews from that case to the one you have in your list here: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fractal-design-define-r6-tempered-glass-edition-case,5399-3.html vs http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-crystal-570x-tempered-glass-atx-case,4825-2.html. While the builds in the tests aren't identical, so I guess it's hard to draw a clear conclusion, the Define R6 appears to be significantly quieter while still having good cooling. CPU At the price your willing to pay for your build, I'd probably choose the i7 8700k over the i5 8600k. While they score very similarly in most gaming benchmarks I've seen, as both cpu's generally seem fast enough to not be a bottleneck, I did notice a few gaming benchmarks where the 8700k performed better. While this performance difference will most likely not be an issue for you right now, as at your preferred resolution and refreshrate of 4k 60hz both cpu's should do equally well, it might be different a few years from now. Looking back at the performance difference of the top i5's vs the top i7's of previous generations, my perception is that the i7's remain relevant longer. So if you intend to keep your cpu for 5+ years, the i7 might be the smarter buy. Motherboard If you only want to overclock the cpu a bit, I don't think you need such an expensive motherboard. There are many z370 motherboards that can handle basic overlocking. I remember looking at this one: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157789&cm_re=asrock_extreme_4-_-13-157-789-_-Product, which would save you some $85. If you want to save some money, my advise would be to look closely at what a top end motherboard like the Maximus X Hero offers over motherboards priced around $150 - $175 and figure out if your going to make use of that. SSD I remember reading some articles about the differences between NVMe M.2 pci SSD's vs regular SATA SSD's specifically for gaming. The conclusion was that there was no real difference. Opting for a SATA SSD can save you a lot of money (or buy you more storage capacity). cpu cooler The choice of cpu cooler seems a bit odd. What made you pick this cooler? After googling it, it appears to me that its main selling point is that packs a punch for a small cooler. But given your case choice, you don't seem to need a particularly small cooler. If you are willing to go a bit bigger (in both size and $), you could look into the Noctua NH-D15. I've read only good things about it (apart from it being big and ugly), especially about how silent it is. OS I've noticed your build doesn't come with an operating system. You probably have this taken care of already, but in case you haven't, you need to factor in the cost for this in your budget. | ||
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Cyro
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