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On December 31 2017 12:19 Dav1oN wrote: guys, can someone recommend me GPU and motherboard for i3 8100 s1151 with budget ~180$ for comfort gaming and working with basic photoshop stuff?
Not really possible right now, as only the high end chipsets - the z370 are available for coffeelake chips, which will be $120. But the cheapest ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte Z370 board where you're buying will be the way to go, and then a GTX 1050 ($120) to pair with it.
So just an extra 60$, okay, thank you.
I hope newgen intel processors does not require extra cooling and simple box cooler doing fine? 550W PSU 80+ would be enough to power the whole system without issues?
Yep, more than plenty, even 350W would be more than sufficient. They do take more power since they do have more cores, so yes, more cooling, but for the non-overclockable version, they'll work out of the box with their cooler just fine. There's really no point to buying an aftermarket cooler for this processor.
On December 31 2017 12:19 Dav1oN wrote: guys, can someone recommend me GPU and motherboard for i3 8100 s1151 with budget ~180$ for comfort gaming and working with basic photoshop stuff?
Not really possible right now, as only the high end chipsets - the z370 are available for coffeelake chips, which will be $120. But the cheapest ASUS/MSI/Gigabyte Z370 board where you're buying will be the way to go, and then a GTX 1050 ($120) to pair with it.
So just an extra 60$, okay, thank you.
I hope newgen intel processors does not require extra cooling and simple box cooler doing fine? 550W PSU 80+ would be enough to power the whole system without issues?
Yep, more than plenty, even 350W would be more than sufficient. They do take more power since they do have more cores, so yes, more cooling, but for the non-overclockable version, they'll work out of the box with their cooler just fine. There's really no point to buying an aftermarket cooler for this processor.
Thank you! Such info helped me a lot with a proper choice for upgrades.
I think it's time that I took care of my good old computer. Here's my current build (~7-8 years old or so):
CPU: Intel i5 2500K
MoBo: MSI P67A-GD55 (socket 1155)
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti (1024Mo)
Initially 4 Go of RAM, I've added 4 more a couple of years ago
Power supply: Antec HCG (520W)
SSD: Used to be a 40Go Corsair that I've changed for a Samsung 128Go (not sure about the name, I think it's an 850 PRO or EVO or something, I can check if it's important)
Basically, my first question is the following: is it worth it to try to upgrade this (and reuse parts like the SSD, HDD, power supply, DVD reader/writer, wireless and case) or should I go for a brand new build ? I know I'll have to upgrade at least the MoBo, CPU and GPU... Also how does anyone know how Windows licences work ? I have one for my current computer, which came with win7. I used the free upgrade to win10. If I change my MoBo but keep my SSD/HDD, will I be able to re-use the same licence or will I have to re-buy windows ?
What I plan to do with it:
Gaming: mostly SC2, but some newer games too
Deep Learning: my current GPU isn't compatible with NVidia's Cuda/CUDnn libraries, so I've been running all my tests on my CPU so far. I'd love to be able to try a few reinforcement learning algorithms for starcraft !
All the other "normal" shit (download, internet browsing, music, etc.)
I have no intention of working with photoshop or video rendering/editing software.
Btw, congrats to Blizz', SC2 still runs smoothly at 60-80 fps on such an "old" computer.
From what i can tell, your main problem is that your GPU is not compatible with the stuff you want it to do?
In that case, just exchange the GPU. Check if your PSU fits the new GPU, but the newest ones are less power hungry than the last generation, so it should usually work. You will probably bottleneck your GPU a bit with the rest of your stuff, but that would rather cheaply fix your immediate problem, and when you decide that you actually want to build a new PC, you can reuse that GPU.
If you want to invest more money and have a complete new working PC, basically everything you have needs to be exchanged. You can reuse case, PSU and writer, reader, but should think about whether that is actually worth the effort. None of that stuff is really expensive anyways. Unless it is an amazing case I'd rather just build a complete new PC and sell the old one of in one piece on ebay, or keep it in the basement in case something breaks and you need an emergency PC. If you start exchanging anything but the GPU, you need to exchange Motherboard, CPU, Ram at the least.
You can keep the 128 Gb SSD as a pure OS drive, but definitively need something else to put games/storage on. A lot of modern games are 60+ Gb, if you have your OS on the drive, you will barely fit anything else.
Those are the two possibilities that i see with your rig. Build a new PC and sell of/store the old one, or buy a GPU (and maybe an SSD) and leave everything else intact.
The nice thing is that you don't actually have to decide. You can just buy and install a GPU (Do a power calculation though) and see if your are happy with the performance, and if not, just build a new PC with that GPU.
Thanks for the answer ! For clarification: my main problems with my current build are that I can't run any recent games at all (even 2-3 year old games are a pain) and that I can't run any deep learning on the GPU (however, looking again on the Nvidia website, it seems that I was wrong and that my GPU should be compatible with the CUDA and cuDNN libraries, I'll have to check that again...).
I hadn't thought about only changing my graphics card.
On January 02 2018 22:08 Simberto wrote: From what i can tell, your main problem is that your GPU is not compatible with the stuff you want it to do?
In that case, just exchange the GPU. Check if your PSU fits the new GPU, but the newest ones are less power hungry than the last generation, so it should usually work. You will probably bottleneck your GPU a bit with the rest of your stuff, but that would rather cheaply fix your immediate problem, and when you decide that you actually want to build a new PC, you can reuse that GPU.
If you want to invest more money and have a complete new working PC, basically everything you have needs to be exchanged. You can reuse case, PSU and writer, reader, but should think about whether that is actually worth the effort. None of that stuff is really expensive anyways. Unless it is an amazing case I'd rather just build a complete new PC and sell the old one of in one piece on ebay, or keep it in the basement in case something breaks and you need an emergency PC. If you start exchanging anything but the GPU, you need to exchange Motherboard, CPU, Ram at the least.
You can keep the 128 Gb SSD as a pure OS drive, but definitively need something else to put games/storage on. A lot of modern games are 60+ Gb, if you have your OS on the drive, you will barely fit anything else.
Those are the two possibilities that i see with your rig. Build a new PC and sell of/store the old one, or buy a GPU (and maybe an SSD) and leave everything else intact.
The nice thing is that you don't actually have to decide. You can just buy and install a GPU (Do a power calculation though) and see if your are happy with the performance, and if not, just build a new PC with that GPU.
I don't think you should really be struggling that much from an OC'd 2500. For some games it'll be your bottleneck (SC2), but if you're talking about AAA titles by "modern games" then it's likely your GPU. I'd start there.
I disagree with you needing to replace everything for a new system.
You'll need a new CPU, motherboard, and RAM (it's DDR4 now). Your PSU is fine, your SSD is fine for OS, your case is fine.
SSDs don't really gain you that much when gaming; any multiplayer game is going to be waiting on the slowest player. There's some gain on singleplayer loading screens, but in practice they're not that significant. Grab a large HDD for storage and stick your games, etc. on that. Your SSD can house programs you use frequently that will benefit from a lot of quick random read access.
Getting a new case + PSU + bigger SSD is going to cost you several hundred dollars. It's really not worthwhile unless you have a specific use-case for a second PC.
On January 02 2018 22:27 LoneYoShi wrote: Thanks for the answer ! For clarification: my main problems with my current build are that I can't run any recent games at all (even 2-3 year old games are a pain) and that I can't run any deep learning on the GPU (however, looking again on the Nvidia website, it seems that I was wrong and that my GPU should be compatible with the CUDA and cuDNN libraries, I'll have to check that again...).
I hadn't thought about only changing my graphics card.
On January 02 2018 22:08 Simberto wrote: From what i can tell, your main problem is that your GPU is not compatible with the stuff you want it to do?
In that case, just exchange the GPU. Check if your PSU fits the new GPU, but the newest ones are less power hungry than the last generation, so it should usually work. You will probably bottleneck your GPU a bit with the rest of your stuff, but that would rather cheaply fix your immediate problem, and when you decide that you actually want to build a new PC, you can reuse that GPU.
If you want to invest more money and have a complete new working PC, basically everything you have needs to be exchanged. You can reuse case, PSU and writer, reader, but should think about whether that is actually worth the effort. None of that stuff is really expensive anyways. Unless it is an amazing case I'd rather just build a complete new PC and sell the old one of in one piece on ebay, or keep it in the basement in case something breaks and you need an emergency PC. If you start exchanging anything but the GPU, you need to exchange Motherboard, CPU, Ram at the least.
You can keep the 128 Gb SSD as a pure OS drive, but definitively need something else to put games/storage on. A lot of modern games are 60+ Gb, if you have your OS on the drive, you will barely fit anything else.
Those are the two possibilities that i see with your rig. Build a new PC and sell of/store the old one, or buy a GPU (and maybe an SSD) and leave everything else intact.
The nice thing is that you don't actually have to decide. You can just buy and install a GPU (Do a power calculation though) and see if your are happy with the performance, and if not, just build a new PC with that GPU.
I have basically the same build and sprung for a 1070 and it's occasionally throttled by my 2500k on AAA titles. Otherwise I pretty consistently get 60+ frames on whatever I play pretty much maxed out at 1080p.
1070 is probably overkill for your needs but would have more longevity. Grabbed a new SSD and HDD and this seems to be able to hold me over for a bit.
Also how does anyone know how Windows licences work ? I have one for my current computer, which came with win7. I used the free upgrade to win10. If I change my MoBo but keep my SSD/HDD, will I be able to re-use the same licence or will I have to re-buy windows ?
Microsoft is deliberately confusing about how Windows licenses work. some say that if you replace your MoBo you will need a new Windows license since for Microsoft this counts as a 'new' PC (and you had to phone MS to pretend that you spilled water on your MoBo for them to unlock it for you). But more recent articles seem to suggest that, if you have registered your Win10 version with a Microsoft account, and can simply sign-in again on the new install and it doesn't mind.
edit: Initial (linux) benchmarks have shown a very limited affect on gaming and streaming. Hopefully Microsoft has similar results.
Big news, this sort of thing doesn't happen often. Hopefully minimal impact but if not AMD is gonna have a great time with the second revision of Ryzen
edit: Initial (linux) benchmarks have shown a very limited affect on gaming and streaming. Hopefully Microsoft has similar results.
I'm glad I don't have to deal with fixing these kind of coding problems at work.
Big news, this sort of thing doesn't happen often. Hopefully minimal impact but if not AMD is gonna have a great time with the second revision of Ryzen
So far today AMD stock is up 6% and Intel is down 2%.
Microsoft is deliberately confusing about how Windows licenses work. some say that if you replace your MoBo you will need a new Windows license since for Microsoft this counts as a 'new' PC (and you had to phone MS to pretend that you spilled water on your MoBo for them to unlock it for you). But more recent articles seem to suggest that, if you have registered your Win10 version with a Microsoft account, and can simply sign-in again on the new install and it doesn't mind.
It's not terribly confusing. In the past your OEM license was locked to a single motherboard, period. More recently Microsoft started allowing people to transfer the license in the specific case where a motherboard dies. Obviously that doesn't prevent people from lying to abuse that.
Retail keys can be transferred freely as long as it's only on one system at a time.
Their system is somewhat tolerant and it's usually possible to have a retail OS on a few systems by calling the robot during activation.
OEM keys also receive no support from Microsoft (you can't call for help); providing support is the obligation of the seller. A key that comes with a system is going to be an OEM key.
My expectation is that you could probably re-use the OEM key per the above to install Windows 7, but probably not upgrade it to Windows 10 since the free upgrade is no longer available. I don't have confirmation of this.
Yay for Intel processors. We had GTX 970, then Samsung 840 EVO, then this Intel stuff. Will hardware companies become more stable? I thought hardware chips are less prone to errors in comparison to software.
970 was false advertisement - disabling part without telling anyone - but actually worked as designed; it just never had that last 1/8'th of the memory subsystem (capacity, bandwidth, l2 cache)
Not a huge fan of this guy's tone of voice. Only sheep are concerned about the bug? cmon.
Yes, current benchmarks are coming up nicely for game framerates, but not everything has been tested. Game load speeds will likely be effected, anything that uses cloud services (game servers? twitch?) will be effected.
And there is the Spectre issue, where no fix is coming, and we will just have to deal with the possible exploits based around it.
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With all this in mind the Intel statement is definitely worth a read.
On January 05 2018 07:10 sc-darkness wrote: Do you think someone will sue Intel for a lot of money for this?
Obviously, but will someone successfully sue them is the real question. Outside of intel knowing about this issue for an extended period it's probably hard to actually bring a successful suit
On January 05 2018 23:50 shz wrote: When building a computer primarily for video editing, what should I look out for? i7 + GTX1070 + 32 GB Ram etc?
Video cards aren't super important unless you are doing rendering as well. I believe the thread rippers are also pretty competitive price wise for video editing.
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