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On December 15 2017 07:30 decafchicken wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2017 14:10 Tephus wrote:On December 14 2017 14:01 decafchicken wrote:
Thinking about upgrading my desktop for christmas. I'm still running a Q6600 and GTX 460 which struggles with pretty much everything. I mostly just play league of legends and general browsing/movies/etc so I don't need a huge upgrade but I figure it's about time to upgrade from 2010.
All I really need is mobo + cpu + graphics card, i upgraded the RAM and SSD a couple years ago. Running 2x23 inch 1080p monitors. Would like to keep it under $500 but i'm flexible, any recommendations? Need to know what type of RAM you have. And its possible you may need to upgrade the ram too, as ddr3 doesn't play super nicely with newer cpus. Son of a gun, guess I'll need new RAM. This is one: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314
From what I've read, yeah, you'll need new RAM. There are/were boards that supported DDR3 but with newer CPUs, but only for RAM that ran at 1.35V (yours is 1.5V). I'm not sure if those are still around or applicable for the latest CPU gen, either way.
RAM prices are also super high right now for a variety of reasons ($100 for 8GB, $200-250 for 16 GB, $400-500 for 32GB, depending on MHZ). I've been trying to figure out if there's any estimate on prices going down, but haven't been able to determine much. I'm guessing it'll still be awhile (2019?) before prices go back to previous normals.
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On December 15 2017 15:28 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2017 07:30 decafchicken wrote:On December 14 2017 14:10 Tephus wrote:On December 14 2017 14:01 decafchicken wrote:
Thinking about upgrading my desktop for christmas. I'm still running a Q6600 and GTX 460 which struggles with pretty much everything. I mostly just play league of legends and general browsing/movies/etc so I don't need a huge upgrade but I figure it's about time to upgrade from 2010.
All I really need is mobo + cpu + graphics card, i upgraded the RAM and SSD a couple years ago. Running 2x23 inch 1080p monitors. Would like to keep it under $500 but i'm flexible, any recommendations? Need to know what type of RAM you have. And its possible you may need to upgrade the ram too, as ddr3 doesn't play super nicely with newer cpus. Son of a gun, guess I'll need new RAM. This is one: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314 From what I've read, yeah, you'll need new RAM. There are/were boards that supported DDR3 but with newer CPUs, but only for RAM that ran at 1.35V (yours is 1.5V). I'm not sure if those are still around or applicable for the latest CPU gen, either way. RAM prices are also super high right now for a variety of reasons ($100 for 8GB, $200-250 for 16 GB, $400-500 for 32GB, depending on MHZ). I've been trying to figure out if there's any estimate on prices going down, but haven't been able to determine much. I'm guessing it'll still be awhile (2019?) before prices go back to previous normals.
I can actually shed some light on that from dabbling in investing semiconductors. From everything I can tell, there's no incentive for the manufactures (micron, SK hynix, samsung, etc.) to bring on excess capacity over the steady increase in demand as they basically have an oligopoly and are printing money on memory production right now (~50% margins) with no threat of outside competition due to the high barriers to entry. So unless a big player like samsung decides to say fuck everyone else and bring on a bunch of new capacity driving down prices (which would not be in their self interest).
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Yeah, the CPU is selling pretty quick because it's fairly new and because it was such a jump in performance. Shitty because it's selling above MSRP almost everywhere because of that.
On newegg I see a Gigabyte for $115, and an MSI one for $120. Maybe you don't want those specifically, but most will meet your needs, main thing to check there it whether it has all the io you need.
Apologies about understating the price of RAM, I'm always thinking it's stabilizing, but then goes up again. It really is an unfortunate situation with what's going on with RAM prices like you said. They're making so much money it's crazy. Not sure to what extent it's an oligopoly, versus an unforeseen increase in demand, and the production hasn't had time to adjust (since factories aren't built overnight)... But it's been going on long enough to make me think more and more about foul play, rather the lag time in meeting demand.
Anyway, the build is over your budget that you gave us here, but I think performance per dollar here is the best, and if you're going to go with cheaper stuff, I think the fraction you save will be smaller than the fraction of time less you'll have a usable computer for.
As for case recommendations, I don't have much to say. I'm a practical person, and spending more money wont give your computer any more performance, your parts run cool enough that you'd run just fine without a case fan - though better to have one anyway (which pretty much all cases come with). Nowadays smaller form factor PCs have been all the rage, tempered glass side panels so you can see you components, and well RGB in cases. Pick what you like, mid towers are still the sweet spot for most PC enthusiasts.
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On December 16 2017 13:29 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Apologies about understating the price of RAM, I'm always thinking it's stabilizing, but then goes up again. It really is an unfortunate situation with what's going on with RAM prices like you said. They're making so much money it's crazy. Not sure to what extent it's an oligopoly, versus an unforeseen increase in demand, and the production hasn't had time to adjust (since factories aren't built overnight)... But it's been going on long enough to make me think more and more about foul play, rather the lag time in meeting demand.
They're putting on more capacity, just less than the rise in demand. Their margins are massive when demand outpaces supply, but margins tank quickly with excess supply. Therefor if they're expecting 25% increase in demand, they add 20% more capacity and all the memory producers get to keep their margins nice and fat. And since it takes a lot of time and money to build fabricators, they don't have to worry about someone coming in and blowing up the market.
On a slightly unrelated sidenote: even when apple is killing samsung in market share for phones, Samsung is getting paid a fuckton of money by apple for parts for their phones. I find it funny xD
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Hi guys 
Please critique this build. Do the parts even go together?
This is a setup for a friend who just wants a cheap pc that can handle Photoshop and InDesign at 2K.
I read that you dont need a graphics card for this (is that true?) so I chose an onboard GPU.
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What is your budget?
500-600€
What is your monitor's native resolution?
There is no monitor for this one yet, but 2K resolution is planned.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
None at all.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Just Photoshop, InDesign and some Office.
Do you intend to overclock?
No.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No.
Do you need an operating system?
No, Win7 and 10 should run on this.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
A 2K monitor, between 24"and 27", not part of the budget.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Germany
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Mindfactory
My build so far:+ Show Spoiler +
Intel Core i5-6400, 4x 2.70GHz, boxed (BX80662I56400)
MSI B250M Pro-VD (7A74-002R)
Crucial DIMM 8GB, DDR4-2400, CL17 (CT8G4DFD824A)
Intenso Top III SSD 256GB, SATA (3812440)
Seagate BarraCuda Compute 1TB, 3.5", SATA 6Gb/s (ST1000DM010)
BitFenix Nova schwarz (BFX-NOV-100-KKWSK-RP)
LG Electronics GH24NSD1 schwarz, SATA, bulk (GH24NSD1.AUAA10B)
be quiet! Pure Power 10 300W ATX 2.4 (BN270)
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On December 21 2017 07:10 graNite wrote:Hi guys Please critique this build. Do the parts even go together? This is a setup for a friend who just wants a cheap pc that can handle Photoshop and InDesign at 2K. I read that you dont need a graphics card for this (is that true?) so I chose an onboard GPU. Template: + Show Spoiler +
What is your budget?
500-600€
What is your monitor's native resolution?
There is no monitor for this one yet, but 2K resolution is planned.
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
None at all.
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Just Photoshop, InDesign and some Office.
Do you intend to overclock?
No.
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No.
Do you need an operating system?
No, Win7 and 10 should run on this.
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
A 2K monitor, between 24"and 27", not part of the budget.
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
No.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Germany
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Mindfactory
My build so far: + Show Spoiler +
Intel Core i5-6400, 4x 2.70GHz, boxed (BX80662I56400)
MSI B250M Pro-VD (7A74-002R)
Crucial DIMM 8GB, DDR4-2400, CL17 (CT8G4DFD824A)
Intenso Top III SSD 256GB, SATA (3812440)
Seagate BarraCuda Compute 1TB, 3.5", SATA 6Gb/s (ST1000DM010)
BitFenix Nova schwarz (BFX-NOV-100-KKWSK-RP)
LG Electronics GH24NSD1 schwarz, SATA, bulk (GH24NSD1.AUAA10B)
be quiet! Pure Power 10 300W ATX 2.4 (BN270)
What do you mean by 2k? Do you mean 1080p?
If you're using it for PS or inDesign then go for 2 sticks of 8gb RAM as minimum, not just signle stick of 8gbs.
No idea what that ssd brand is. Heard that weird brands can be untrustworthy with bad performance with overheating. Have you read any reviews about it?
You might be a bit low on power. Could you go for 450watts?
Also, take it you mean you want to run Win 7 OR Win 10, not dual boot or virtual machines?
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On December 21 2017 07:50 Deleuze wrote:
What do you mean by 2k? Do you mean 1080p?
WQHD, "half of 4K", 2,560x1,440 pixels, or 1440p
If you're using it for PS or inDesign then go for 2 sticks of 8gb RAM as minimum, not just signle stick of 8gbs.
Why?
No idea what that ssd brand is. Heard that weird brands can be untrustworthy with bad performance with overheating. Have you read any reviews about it?
It is recommended on a german forum, the prize compare site I use lists a rating of 92%. I bought something from Intenso before.
You might be a bit low on power. Could you go for 450watts?
I dont know, you tell me. The build I posted is € 482,79 on that prize compare site and it shouldnt be too expensive, am i right?
Also, take it you mean you want to run Win 7 OR Win 10, not dual boot or virtual machines?
The pc is not for me, I dont know if the user wants win7 or win10, thats why it has to be ready for both
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If he doesn't have a GPU, he definitely isn't low on power. The CPU is 65W TDP. With no GPU it's going to be pulling like 100-125W.
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1440p is not half of 4K in any metric. Please don't use the 2K term, it's confusing and in the very rare circumstances it's used it's a different resolution.
How much are you getting a 6400 for? Might as well as buy an 8th gen i3 and you'll save money. RAM, SSD, and HDD are fine, just depends on the price, but you didn't give us the links.
Your best upgrade here would be to spend the money on an 8th gen i5, then probably getting an 850 evo, or ideally a 960 evo. A 300W PSU is fine, though if it's only a few bucks, I'd caution on the side of 350W. Once you have more stuff plugged in and all, potential expansion card (even potentially a GPU down the road, GPU's speed up a lot of graphics software), more hard drives, it adds up when that PSU might only be able to get 250W continuous.
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It's 3,686,400 pixels versus 8,294,400 pixels. That's pretty damn near half. Considering graphic demand scales fairly linearly, it's a very commonly used distinction. The term 2K is not used (and has older, different meanings).
From researching, it looks like Photoshop still has little to no multithreading support, but can nonetheless be very demanding on the CPU. An i5 dual-core with higher single-core performance might be a better option here than an i3 or i7 quad.
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Show nested quote +If you're using it for PS or inDesign then go for 2 sticks of 8gb RAM as minimum, not just signle stick of 8gbs. Why?
You should have two sticks of RAM instead of one to take advantage of two channel memory (increases performance).
8gb on it's own is only really enough for basic photo editing. 16gb (x2 8gb sticks) will give breathing space to anything but super large print poster editing (ie very professional).
Asked for clarity on Win7 and 10, as virtusl machines can also up need for RAM. By sound of it this is not the case. Both OSs have near same specs.
I think all the other questions have been answered. Slightly bigger power supply will give flexibility in future.
Never heard of SSD brand, so go with what others say.
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One hasnt been answered: do the parts actually go together?
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cTRxWX
This is my current full-size ATX build.
Can someone recommend me a small, portable mini-ITX build as cheap as possible while keeping as many parts as possible? I'm thinking there has to be a way I can probably do this for under 500? 600? Compatibility is a bitch, cus I dont mind the gtx 970, but a new cpu/mobo itself is like 300.
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On December 22 2017 00:16 Demurity wrote:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cTRxWXThis is my current full-size ATX build. Can someone recommend me a small, portable mini-ITX build as cheap as possible while keeping as many parts as possible? I'm thinking there has to be a way I can probably do this for under 500? 600? Compatibility is a bitch, cus I dont mind the gtx 970, but a new cpu/mobo itself is like 300.
Can't you just swap out the motherboard for one that's compatible with your CPU?
You will also need a new power supply (that is smaller). And will need to make sure you can fit your video card in there.
Plus case that should be below $500.
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On December 23 2017 08:31 Deleuze wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2017 00:16 Demurity wrote:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cTRxWXThis is my current full-size ATX build. Can someone recommend me a small, portable mini-ITX build as cheap as possible while keeping as many parts as possible? I'm thinking there has to be a way I can probably do this for under 500? 600? Compatibility is a bitch, cus I dont mind the gtx 970, but a new cpu/mobo itself is like 300. Can't you just swap out the motherboard for one that's compatible with your CPU? You will also need a new power supply (that is smaller). And will need to make sure you can fit your video card in there. Plus case that should be below $500.
While true, I wanted to kinda upgrade my CPU a bit just because a mobo that's compatible with the 3770 is hard to find, since it's fairly outdated. I suppose I'll keep looking
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On December 23 2017 16:39 Demurity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2017 08:31 Deleuze wrote:On December 22 2017 00:16 Demurity wrote:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cTRxWXThis is my current full-size ATX build. Can someone recommend me a small, portable mini-ITX build as cheap as possible while keeping as many parts as possible? I'm thinking there has to be a way I can probably do this for under 500? 600? Compatibility is a bitch, cus I dont mind the gtx 970, but a new cpu/mobo itself is like 300. Can't you just swap out the motherboard for one that's compatible with your CPU? You will also need a new power supply (that is smaller). And will need to make sure you can fit your video card in there. Plus case that should be below $500. While true, I wanted to kinda upgrade my CPU a bit just because a mobo that's compatible with the 3770 is hard to find, since it's fairly outdated. I suppose I'll keep looking
A new CPU will require new RAM. So you need a new mobo, cpu, ram, psu, case, and can reuse the gfx card and harddrives.
Might be tough to fit all of that under 600, but its possible I guess.
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On December 23 2017 16:45 Tephus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2017 16:39 Demurity wrote:On December 23 2017 08:31 Deleuze wrote:On December 22 2017 00:16 Demurity wrote:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cTRxWXThis is my current full-size ATX build. Can someone recommend me a small, portable mini-ITX build as cheap as possible while keeping as many parts as possible? I'm thinking there has to be a way I can probably do this for under 500? 600? Compatibility is a bitch, cus I dont mind the gtx 970, but a new cpu/mobo itself is like 300. Can't you just swap out the motherboard for one that's compatible with your CPU? You will also need a new power supply (that is smaller). And will need to make sure you can fit your video card in there. Plus case that should be below $500. While true, I wanted to kinda upgrade my CPU a bit just because a mobo that's compatible with the 3770 is hard to find, since it's fairly outdated. I suppose I'll keep looking A new CPU will require new RAM. So you need a new mobo, cpu, ram, psu, case, and can reuse the gfx card and harddrives. Might be tough to fit all of that under 600, but its possible I guess.
Yeah, exactly. With a new nvidia cpu releasing every year and essentially each one requiring a different mobo, it creates a domino effect of - if you change one thing, you have to change so many other things....
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On December 25 2017 06:39 Demurity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2017 16:45 Tephus wrote:On December 23 2017 16:39 Demurity wrote:On December 23 2017 08:31 Deleuze wrote:On December 22 2017 00:16 Demurity wrote:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cTRxWXThis is my current full-size ATX build. Can someone recommend me a small, portable mini-ITX build as cheap as possible while keeping as many parts as possible? I'm thinking there has to be a way I can probably do this for under 500? 600? Compatibility is a bitch, cus I dont mind the gtx 970, but a new cpu/mobo itself is like 300. Can't you just swap out the motherboard for one that's compatible with your CPU? You will also need a new power supply (that is smaller). And will need to make sure you can fit your video card in there. Plus case that should be below $500. While true, I wanted to kinda upgrade my CPU a bit just because a mobo that's compatible with the 3770 is hard to find, since it's fairly outdated. I suppose I'll keep looking A new CPU will require new RAM. So you need a new mobo, cpu, ram, psu, case, and can reuse the gfx card and harddrives. Might be tough to fit all of that under 600, but its possible I guess. Yeah, exactly. With a new nvidia cpu releasing every year and essentially each one requiring a different mobo, it creates a domino effect of - if you change one thing, you have to change so many other things....
So what games and settings do you intend to run, might be possible to do a build.
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On December 25 2017 06:57 Deleuze wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2017 06:39 Demurity wrote:On December 23 2017 16:45 Tephus wrote:On December 23 2017 16:39 Demurity wrote:On December 23 2017 08:31 Deleuze wrote:On December 22 2017 00:16 Demurity wrote:https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cTRxWXThis is my current full-size ATX build. Can someone recommend me a small, portable mini-ITX build as cheap as possible while keeping as many parts as possible? I'm thinking there has to be a way I can probably do this for under 500? 600? Compatibility is a bitch, cus I dont mind the gtx 970, but a new cpu/mobo itself is like 300. Can't you just swap out the motherboard for one that's compatible with your CPU? You will also need a new power supply (that is smaller). And will need to make sure you can fit your video card in there. Plus case that should be below $500. While true, I wanted to kinda upgrade my CPU a bit just because a mobo that's compatible with the 3770 is hard to find, since it's fairly outdated. I suppose I'll keep looking A new CPU will require new RAM. So you need a new mobo, cpu, ram, psu, case, and can reuse the gfx card and harddrives. Might be tough to fit all of that under 600, but its possible I guess. Yeah, exactly. With a new nvidia cpu releasing every year and essentially each one requiring a different mobo, it creates a domino effect of - if you change one thing, you have to change so many other things.... So what games and settings do you intend to run, might be possible to do a build.
I currently don't even play highly intensive games. I just play SC and rocket league. But, I have the WItcher 3 and I'd like to be able to play AAA games if I decide to; don't think I need to overclock.
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