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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
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_KiM_
Canada498 Posts
What is your budget? $500-$700CDN (only need tower) What is your monitor's native resolution? 24" LED 1080p Samsung(a few years old) What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? SC. Trying to get the best value. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Netflix, general browsing Do you intend to overclock? ? lol Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? ? Do you need an operating system? Yes Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. What country will you be buying your parts in? Canada If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Canadian preferred, Newegg.ca or memoryexpress. I wouldn't even mind pre built options with OS for convenience and speed of delivery. Thanks again guys! Looking for the best value in my price range. | ||
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/TvNVsJ Just under $700 before tax. Some of these prices are not for newegg/ME, so add a few dollars if you want to get the parts from them. Windows is not included in the price, but I think you can just install an unregistered version of Win 10 legally Install Windows and programs that you use often (browser, video player, steam, a few games etc...) on the SSD and your large multimedia files on your Hard drive. When you do the initial install for Windows, remember to unplug your harddrive from your board. The big problem I have with this build is the CPU. AMD's single thread performance isn't as good as Intel so it's not as optimal for SC2 (but still good). There are some 2-core options, but if you want to dabble in AAA games, 4-core is an absolute minimum imo and I'd rather take a minor hit to SC2 if it means a huge improvement in everything else. The value CPU I'm looking forward to is the i3 8100 from Intel which looks to be a beast, but stock is a little bit iffy and the budget motherboards haven't been released yet so I just don't think it makes sense to get an i3 right now. But when the cheaper mobos come out, it could be a staple in budget builds Atleast this build gives you a nice upgrade path, especially if AMD supports the platform until 2020 or whatever it was they promised | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
The subject computer isn't used for gaming at all. It has two Dell U2713HM monitors, an Intel Core i5 I5-4690 Haswell 3.5GHZ Processor, and an MSI Motherboard B85M-G43. Basically I want to upgrade its super old GPU with a newer one because the two monitors are having issues with the old GPU drivers. My preference would be to keep using the DVI-D cables but I am OK with buying a displayport or HDMI cable if the videocard only has those ports. Also, ideally I'd like to spend less than C$300. I would appreciate any suggestions/good deals! Thanks! | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On December 10 2017 03:53 Durak wrote: I am looking for recommendations on a modern, reasonably-priced, non-powerful GPU. The subject computer isn't used for gaming at all. It has two Dell U2713HM monitors, an Intel Core i5 I5-4690 Haswell 3.5GHZ Processor, and an MSI Motherboard B85M-G43. Basically I want to upgrade its super old GPU with a newer one because the two monitors are having issues with the old GPU drivers. My preference would be to keep using the DVI-D cables but I am OK with buying a displayport or HDMI cable if the videocard only has those ports. Also, ideally I'd like to spend less than C$300. I would appreciate any suggestions/good deals! Thanks! What do you use it for, and where is it failing? Why don't you just use the integrated graphics... Take out the GPU and plug one monitor into the DVI-D in the motherboard, and then for the other get a Display Port to DVI adapter for $15. It's sufficient for general Internet usage on dual monitors. | ||
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
I think it the computer currently has a Radeon HD 4870. I hadn't thought of using the onboard graphics. If you think that would work at that high resolution, that would definitely be easiest. Edit: my understanding was that I needed DVI-D for 2560 X 1440. And the mobo looks like it only has a DVI port? Not sure if that's an issue. Edit2: I dunno. I think maybe it just needs to be a DVI-D cable? I read, "For DVI, the cable must be a dual-link DVI cable. (Hopefully the Dell-supplied one is.) Single-link DVI will limit resolution to 1920x1200 pixels." | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
I just assumed you had 1080p monitors without checking them out first because I saw the rest of your build, my bad. Looks like the motherboard does have a DVI-D connector (here but most sites aren't very good at specifying which generation, so if you take out your GPU and plug your DVI-D cable [which the monitors had to come with otherwise they wouldn't be capable of 1440p] to verify it works). So yeah, the easiest would be buying an HDMI or Display Port cable, around $10 each on amazon for the 2nd monitor (or one of each if it turns out the port is a DVI port). Both of those will support 1440p60hz. Your GPU performance will be 40-50% of what you have now, but that will be sufficient for typical internet consumption. If you're using a lot of productivity applications like design, picture and video editing, it might not be. If you want more GPU power, get a GT 1030 (it has one DVI-D connector and one HDMI 2.0), so would work, for 250% GPU improvement, or the GTX 1050 for 525%. The price is quite similar between them, so decide if you want you want to spend a few extra in the case you end up doing some occasional gaming (C$100 vs C$150). The GPU's don't come with the cables, the monitors do, at least for the ones I bought. So you might as well get the cables, try it out, and if you find it's not cutting it for you (it really should), then consider buying the GPU. Or if you feel like eating up that $300 budget you were talking about, you could buy a GTX 1060 3GB new for around $280, which would be a 220%~ improvement over the GTX 1050, or even buy them used for $220-$270 on kijiji depending on the 3GB or 6GB (250%~ improvement over than GTX 1050, or some 13x improvement over the integrated graphics) model. | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
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Craton
United States17303 Posts
On December 10 2017 23:29 Durak wrote: Edit: my understanding was that I needed DVI-D for 2560 X 1440. And the mobo looks like it only has a DVI port? Not sure if that's an issue. Edit2: I dunno. I think maybe it just needs to be a DVI-D cable? I read, "For DVI, the cable must be a dual-link DVI cable. (Hopefully the Dell-supplied one is.) Single-link DVI will limit resolution to 1920x1200 pixels." It has a DisplayPort, HDMI, Dual-link DVI, and VGA (D-SUB) port. The DVI and DisplayPort can handle 1440p. The VGA definitely can't and the HDMI probably can't (most use the older standard that doesn't support much above 1920x1200). You can tell if DVI is dual link vs single link based on the pins. DVI-A and DVI-I is only necessary when dealing with analog signals; these will be digital. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/pdknkn6.png) If you don't have an adapter, you should at least be able to try the DVI port out now. If you do (or the monitor itself has a DPort plug) then you should be able to test them both out. On board video (IGPU) is usually good enough to browse the Internet and watch some streams, but not much more. | ||
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TT1
Canada10107 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
Graphics side is struggling to stay relevant. They left nvidia alone in the upper half of the market for 5 quarters before shipping a card that fell short of expectations and was rumored to be selling at a loss.. reinforced by no custom cards ever showing up, it released 4 months ago and nobody is even putting out release dates for them. They basically didn't happen at all since nvidia's next gen is very likely to hit in the next 1-2 quarters | ||
Tephus
Cascadia1754 Posts
The problem with Ryzen is its not a good cpu for gaming. | ||
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TT1
Canada10107 Posts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application-specific_integrated_circuit | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
On December 14 2017 07:10 Tephus wrote: Ryzen is doing well for what it is, it beats intel at some price points. The problem with Ryzen is its not a good cpu for gaming. Close enough for most people, not ideal for higher refresh rate gaming but still pretty good. It's strong for other loads, good pricing from 6 through 32+ cores and opportunity to advance strongly relative to intel if they ever get complacent - it's a huge improvement. AFAIK it looks like the position they've been in for a long time, maybe even a decade | ||
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decafchicken
United States20176 Posts
All I really need is mobo + cpu + graphics card, i upgraded the RAM and SSD a couple years ago. Running 2x23 inch 1080p monitors. Would like to keep it under $500 but i'm flexible, any recommendations? | ||
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Tephus
Cascadia1754 Posts
On December 14 2017 14:01 decafchicken wrote: Thinking about upgrading my desktop for christmas. I'm still running a Q6600 and GTX 460 which struggles with pretty much everything. I mostly just play league of legends and general browsing/movies/etc so I don't need a huge upgrade but I figure it's about time to upgrade from 2010. All I really need is mobo + cpu + graphics card, i upgraded the RAM and SSD a couple years ago. Running 2x23 inch 1080p monitors. Would like to keep it under $500 but i'm flexible, any recommendations? Need to know what type of RAM you have. And its possible you may need to upgrade the ram too, as ddr3 doesn't play super nicely with newer cpus. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
Like the above poster said, you'll need DDR4 RAM, which you probably don't have, so add $70ish for an 8GB stick (can upgrade down the road to two). | ||
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decafchicken
United States20176 Posts
On December 14 2017 14:10 Tephus wrote: Need to know what type of RAM you have. And its possible you may need to upgrade the ram too, as ddr3 doesn't play super nicely with newer cpus. Son of a gun, guess I'll need new RAM. This is one: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314 | ||
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decafchicken
United States20176 Posts
On December 15 2017 04:37 FiWiFaKi wrote: I5 8400, GTX 1060 3-6GB (go with 6GB if $40 or less), and cheapest Z370 motherboard you can buy. Should be around $180 + $200-$250 + $100-$120. Like the above poster said, you'll need DDR4 RAM, which you probably don't have, so add $70ish for an 8GB stick (can upgrade down the road to two). Cool, I'll take a look at these. Any low end case recommendations? Not necessary but who knows :D Rocking the ooooold Antec 300 mid tower atm | ||
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