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Cyro
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On January 05 2018 23:50 shz wrote: When building a computer primarily for video editing, what should I look out for? i7 + GTX1070 + 32 GB Ram etc? Depends on your budget and performance needs. i5 8400 > i5 8600k > i7 8700k > AMD 1920X > AMD 1950X > i9 79460X-7980XE For video editing, CPU performance is a lot more useful, there are some tasks that can be GPU accelerated, but CPU will give you improved performance across the board. I'd probably go for a GTX 1060 with an i5, a GTX 1070 or 1070ti with i7's, and a GTX 1080ti with anything above. Anything higher and you start to lose a lot of performance per dollar, so not really recommended. For the 8700k or less, I'd just buy 2x8GB RAM, and I think it should be enough for most use cases. If not for you, buy two more, you're running in dual channel anyway, so it wont effect your speeds if you end up running 2x8GB. If you go for an enthusiast grade CPU, they'll have quad channel memory, so buying 32GB will be the way to go. | ||
shz
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Craton
United States17294 Posts
Nevermind, I was able to rock it back into place without much force. | ||
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Craton
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EMIYA
United States433 Posts
The only catch is that I now live in Japan (Kansai) and cannot utilize newegg and as such some of the parts may cost more than they do elsewhere, at least from what I've seen on amazon.co.jp. I've been out of the loop for quite a few years regarding hardware and any advice would be appreciated. Also, I overclocked my previous rig and it was quite a hassle for a non-tech savvy person such as myself to get the voltage stable (it would fail to power up multiple times) so I was wondering if it is really necessary on a gaming/streaming rig with the newer processors for sale today. (www.amazon.co.jp) | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20341 Posts
The CPU that you linked is a last gen i5 so it's only 4c4t. Current gen i5 is 6c6t; those Ryzen CPU's are 6c12t and 8c16t. | ||
Tephus
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Cyro
United Kingdom20341 Posts
On January 15 2018 07:35 Tephus wrote: If it's for gaming, the Intel performance hit is negligible. For GPU-bound gaming, maybe - but CPU performance didn't matter there anyway. Other stuff is up in the air - some reports of CPU heavy games taking significant hits even on current gen. Haswell losing 9% performance in x264 (main encoder for OBS, Handbrake) just from the microcode update for spectre v2 and before the OS changes for Meltdown which are also huge. Reports of people losing a quarter to half of their random read IOPS on SSD's across all CPU's; it's all worrying stuff and still partially unknown at the moment. ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/lEsYKHa.png) ^This is a CPU limited section of Witcher 3 w/ a coffee lake CPU showing ~8.2% higher performance before meltdown fix. The nature of these losses also mean that all previous review stats have to be called into question, it's way harder for somebody to make an informed choice because almost all of the information out there is wrong; sometimes it's basically correct, sometimes a little bit wrong, sometimes it's waaay off what you can actually do or get now and you can't reliably sort A from B from C without just re-doing all of the reviews. As a whole it significantly hits the value of all relevant Intel products, you can't just hand wave it away for a gaming system and with the simultaneous pricedrop on Ryzen they're far harder to recommend than they were only a week or 2 ago. | ||
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EMIYA
United States433 Posts
On January 15 2018 00:18 Cyro wrote: recently the ryzen lineup got price drops and a hardware vulnerability was discovered that notably hurts performance on many CPU's, way more so for Intel. The r5 1600 and r7 1700 (or similar sku's if the price is close enough) are strong choices. The CPU that you linked is a last gen i5 so it's only 4c4t. Current gen i5 is 6c6t; those Ryzen CPU's are 6c12t and 8c16t. So something like this? www.amazon.co.jp I was under the impression that a gaming rig didn't need more than 4 cores but I suppose streaming is pretty demanding in its own right. Is this processor strictly an upgrade when compared to the 1600? As far as the GPU is concerned is a gtx 1060 overkill? It's about the same price as the gtx 960(?) was when I purchased it a year and a half ago. | ||
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Craton
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Cyro
United Kingdom20341 Posts
So something like this? www.amazon.co.jp I was under the impression that a gaming rig didn't need more than 4 cores but I suppose streaming is pretty demanding in its own right. Is this processor strictly an upgrade when compared to the 1600? Yeah, it's like a 1600 but with 8 cores instead of 6 the 8400/8600k/8700k are available on there and are still ok options, just less good than they used to be. They're faster for some games but with less CPU left over for streaming since the fewer cores are more effectively utilized by games 960 vs 1060 - https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1744?vs=1771 - you can compare others there too. | ||
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seve
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So, here we go: What is your budget? Around 1000€ (for PC only) What is your monitor's native resolution? I'm ok with 1920x1080, though i'm still looking for a monitor and am open for suggestions. What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? As mentioned above, not focused on games. Might want to try the newest civilization game soon. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Photo-editing and office applications. Do you intend to overclock? Not really. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? Yes. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? I need a monitor and an internal wireless network option. Monitor is outside of the budget. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. What country will you be buying your parts in? Germany If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Thanks for your help! | ||
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Tephus
Cascadia1754 Posts
On January 23 2018 07:58 sc-darkness wrote: So Meltdown and Spectre are still not properly fixed? I've just come across Linus Torvalds' rant about patches. Funny stuff though. I think he is more talking about Spectre issues there. There is no 'fix' for either issue, until new CPUs are designed. Meltdown has been patched. His rant is about Intel trying to twist the spectre (I think) patches into a 'boosted security opt-in feature, that can affect performance' from what they really are, and should be, a 'broken cpu patch' | ||
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Craton
United States17294 Posts
Molex I can at least see being used for a 6-pin, but SATA is woefully below that and 8-pin adapters exist for molex as well. How are these not failing left and right and leading to lawsuits? | ||
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Cyro
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