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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
On June 03 2016 18:25 DickMcFanny wrote: I can upgrade my GTX 950 now to a 970 for a 100 € net loss after eBay fees. Do you reckon that's worth it, or should I wait for the 1070 ITX version? obviously wait for 1070 | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
Three years ago, I requested TL's help in building a new midrange gaming computer. I started getting BSOD, turns out it's probably a hardware issue. The Mobo is probably the culprit, but anyhow the computer is now dead and I have to buy new parts to make it work. Here's the PCPartPicker build : In RED are the parts that I need to replace, either because they're outdated or because they probably don't work. Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Arctic White) ATX Mid Tower Case CPU: Processeur Intel Core i5-3570k (3.4 GHz) GPU : VTX3D Radeon HD 7950 OC X-Edition, 3 Go MB: MSI Z77A-G45 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard Memory: Kit Dual Channel DDR3 Crucial Ballistix Sport, 2 x 4 Go, PC3-12800, CAS 9 SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840 EVO, 250 Go, SATA III HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue, 1 To PWR: Super Flower Golden Green, 550W Heatsink: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler OS : WIndows 10 I have to replace the mobo because it's dead, the GPU because it's time for an upgrade, and the CPU because it won't be compatible if I buy a new mobo. I'd like to keep this build and upgrade it in the next years so I'd like to get a mobo with a recent socket, an Intel LGA 1151 or LGA 1150. Here's a build idea I got : Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Arctic White) ATX Mid Tower Case CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K (3.5 GHz) : 209.90 € GPU : I have no idea MB: Asus Z97-E Memory: Kit Dual Channel DDR3 Crucial Ballistix Sport, 2 x 4 Go, PC3-12800, CAS 9 SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840 EVO, 250 Go, SATA III HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue, 1 To PWR: Super Flower Golden Green, 550W Heatsink: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler OS : WIndows 10 What do you think ? Will my PSU handle this config ? And what would you advise for the GPU ? I'd like my GPU + CPU + Mobo to cost less than 700 euros if possible. Usage : gaming with high specs (total war, the witcher, overwatch if possible), some video editing, and photoshop. Thanks in advance to everyone in this thread ! | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On June 04 2016 01:36 Kukaracha wrote: Greetings everyone ! Three years ago, I requested TL's help in building a new midrange gaming computer. I started getting BSOD, turns out it's probably a hardware issue. The Mobo is probably the culprit, but anyhow the computer is now dead and I have to buy new parts to make it work. Here's the PCPartPicker build : In RED are the parts that I need to replace, either because they're outdated or because they probably don't work. Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Arctic White) ATX Mid Tower Case CPU: Processeur Intel Core i5-3570k (3.4 GHz) GPU : VTX3D Radeon HD 7950 OC X-Edition, 3 Go MB: MSI Z77A-G45 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard Memory: Kit Dual Channel DDR3 Crucial Ballistix Sport, 2 x 4 Go, PC3-12800, CAS 9 SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840 EVO, 250 Go, SATA III HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue, 1 To PWR: Super Flower Golden Green, 550W Heatsink: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler OS : WIndows 10 I have to replace the mobo because it's dead, the GPU because it's time for an upgrade, and the CPU because it won't be compatible if I buy a new mobo. I'd like to keep this build and upgrade it in the next years so I'd like to get a mobo with a recent socket, an Intel LGA 1151 or LGA 1150. Here's a build idea I got : Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Arctic White) ATX Mid Tower Case CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K (3.5 GHz) : 209.90 € GPU : I have no idea MB: Asus Z97-E Memory: Kit Dual Channel DDR3 Crucial Ballistix Sport, 2 x 4 Go, PC3-12800, CAS 9 SSD: SSD Samsung Série 840 EVO, 250 Go, SATA III HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue, 1 To PWR: Super Flower Golden Green, 550W Heatsink: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler OS : WIndows 10 What do you think ? Will my PSU handle this config ? And what would you advise for the GPU ? I'd like my GPU + CPU + Mobo to cost less than 700 euros if possible. Usage : gaming with high specs (total war, the witcher, overwatch if possible), some video editing, and photoshop. Thanks in advance to everyone in this thread ! Didnt scroll very far down the list to find the mobo you choose, but here is a quick summary from pcpartpicker Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor €199.99 Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard €123.50 That will be €323.50. Your PSU is a good unit, and should be fine if you dont go too extreme with GPU. the below will take that into consideration With the remaining budget, if you really need GPU right now, you can probably go with either GTX960 (around €200) or GTX970 (around €320), favouring Nvidia due to video editing (not sure what software you use, just assuming Adobe Premier Pro here) /photoshop, as Adobe softwares are better optimized for Nvidia cards (CUDA). Not like AMD counterpart cannot handle the load though, but with your current PSU, can probably go with R9 380/380X If you can wait may be another month or so, you will have access to GTX1070 which cost slightly more, but perform much stronger. Or RX480/490 from AMD side | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
I'll provide another option here, you'll want to upgrade your memory to 16gb anyways at one point and then you'll have regretted not doing it right away and getting a more modern setup to boot. It overshoots the budget a bit but I thought I'd at least present it, and it's not for nothing. If you're willing to stick with on-board GPU until 1070/AMD comes out later this month or w/e then don't get the 970 as you'll regret it. Everything else from your old build looks super solid, keep them. CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (€242.00 @ Amazon France) Motherboard: ASRock Z170 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€123.92 @ Amazon France) Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€89.88 @ Amazon France) Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE 3X Video Card (€319.90 @ Amazon France) Total: €775.70 | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24499 Posts
What is your budget? $500-750 What is your monitor's native resolution? 1080p What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Not gaming so much as streaming. What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Primarily to live stream game discussions. Do you intend to overclock? Only if needed to meet budget/requirements Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? nope Do you need an operating system? Probably not. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? Didn't clarify on this. I know they have spare monitors, and I just presume everyone has a working mouse and keyboard somewhere in a tech junk box. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. If spending a bit more on the motherboard could make it more adaptable to future upgrades that would be a consideration. What country will you be buying your parts in? US If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Take PayPal preferably. Other? Probably going to cost him $50 or so to get it built so a prebuilt where that's the approximate difference would be fine. Would like to stream in 1080p (30fps is fine) but would settle for 720p due to budget restrictions. Any help would be appreciated. Even just what I can roughly expect to see for a good value in that range/whether it can be done. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
@Firkraag8 I see you suggest a motherboard with an 1151 socket. Is it worth the investment? And do I really need the extra RAM? Both builds seem very solid, though the second one is a little expensive. Is it more durable? Should I expect the need for the extra RAM and the latest Intel socket in the near future, or could it wait about two years? My goal would be to have a durable, upgradable, solid build (after adding the GTX1070). Here's the first build Here's the second build @Cyro Well it's a very long story, but I checked just about everything, RAM, drivers, HDD, taking the GPU away, the RAM, the wireless card, changing the OS, so I'm pretty sure it's the mobo or CPU. I spent months with an unstable system, running tests and asking for help, but now my system won't even boot so... might aswell take this opportunity to upgrade. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
@Cyro Well it's a very long story, but I checked just about everything, RAM, drivers, HDD, taking the GPU away, the RAM, the wireless card, changing the OS, so I'm pretty sure it's the mobo or CPU. I spent months with an unstable system, running tests and asking for help, but now my system won't even boot so... might aswell take this opportunity to upgrade. Sounds like mobo or bad mobo setting.. stuff like that is almost never the CPU hardware. You can do more tests as to why it won't boot etc. It's just a waste to replace the CPU without upgrading it if it's not neccesary | ||
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
Basic info + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? $900-$1000, hopefully on the lower end of the spectrum What is your monitor's native resolution? 1080p What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings? Heroes of the Storm at max settings, maybe some new games What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming? Music, movies, watching Twitch Do you intend to overclock? No. Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire? No. Do you need an operating system? No. Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget? No. If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify. Nvidia? What country will you be buying your parts in? USA If you have any retailer preferences, please specify. Newegg/Amazon, open to others Build CPU: Intel i5-6500 3.2GHz @ @ Microcenter ($180) MoBo: Gigabyte GA-H170 LGA 115 ATX DDR4 @ Amazon ($100) - open to other options RAM: Kingston HyperX Fury Black DDR 4-2133 16GB (2x 8GB) @ Newegg ($66) - open to other options HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM @ Newegg ($50) - open to other options GPU: Nvidia GTX 1070 (not sure which manufacturer) @ $380 PSU: ????? - please suggest one - $60-80? Case: Corsair 230T @ Newegg ($60) DVD burner: ASUS 24X DVD burner @ Newegg ($20) - open to other options Total: $915 - $940, including unknown PSU | ||
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SkrollK
France580 Posts
On June 04 2016 07:52 Kukaracha wrote: @bluegarfield Right, I checked the GTX1070 and I will definitely wait. There's no hurry and I have work to be done anyway. Thanks for the heads up! @Firkraag8 I see you suggest a motherboard with an 1151 socket. Is it worth the investment? And do I really need the extra RAM? Both builds seem very solid, though the second one is a little expensive. Is it more durable? Should I expect the need for the extra RAM and the latest Intel socket in the near future, or could it wait about two years? My goal would be to have a durable, upgradable, solid build (after adding the GTX1070). Here's the first build Here's the second build @Cyro Well it's a very long story, but I checked just about everything, RAM, drivers, HDD, taking the GPU away, the RAM, the wireless card, changing the OS, so I'm pretty sure it's the mobo or CPU. I spent months with an unstable system, running tests and asking for help, but now my system won't even boot so... might aswell take this opportunity to upgrade. Afaik, the problem with your RAM is that it won't be supported by the 1151. 1151 Is made for SkyLake CPU and SkyLake CPU runs only with DDR4 RAM, while your's DDR3. (correct me if I'm wrong !!  ) | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
On June 04 2016 21:52 Cyro wrote: @wongfeihung you should probably get an i5-6600 if you're not overclocking. CPU performance matters a lot for HOTS and the 6600 is ~8-9% faster than the 6500 First off, thank you for the input! The 6600 is about $50 more wherever I can find it. Is it really worth the $50? Do I need that extra 8-9% to be able to max out HotS? | ||
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wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On June 05 2016 01:07 wongfeihung wrote: First off, thank you for the input! The 6600 is about $50 more wherever I can find it. Is it really worth the $50? Do I need that extra 8-9% to be able to max out HotS? You can cut down on mobo cost to squeeze in that extra cost for 6600, get something like B150 motherboard works as well. Or H110 if you dont use a lot of usb ports and definitely wont use pci-e slot other than for gpu. I have B150 + i5-6600 in my system, didnt rmb how much was the cost reduced from h170 to b150 though. | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
@Cyro well my logic is to say that my mobo is dead, and it seems the 1155 socket generation is over so I though I'd move on to a more recent standard, the 1150 or the 1151, and so I need a new CPU. What do you mean by "there is no upgrade"? Is there no improvement from the i5-3570k (3.4 GHz) to the i5-4690K or i5-6600K ? | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
On June 05 2016 01:07 wongfeihung wrote: First off, thank you for the input! The 6600 is about $50 more wherever I can find it. Is it really worth the $50? Do I need that extra 8-9% to be able to max out HotS? You don't "need" anything really but it's 8-9% more performance if you want to pay for that. The gtx1070 will be at very low load at any graphics settings in that game and you will be CPU limited - no CPU is really fast enough to run sc2/heroes amazingly so extra performance is usually welcome. It's worth noting that sc2 and heroes of the storm's engine has very inconsistent frametimes, so the FPS meter saying more than 60 doesn't mean that the game performance won't get any better because you have a 60hz screen. It'll look a lot better at "100fps" than "60fps" on a 60hz screen. ---------- @Cyro well my logic is to say that my mobo is dead, and it seems the 1155 socket generation is over so I though I'd move on to a more recent standard, the 1150 or the 1151, and so I need a new CPU. What do you mean by "there is no upgrade"? Is there no improvement from the i5-3570k (3.4 GHz) to the i5-4690K or i5-6600K ? If you're going for replacement at minimal cost, you would probably get a new mobo and keep the CPU and RAM (if the mobo had an issue) If you want performance, then 6600k with fast ddr4 is obviously the way to go (but that means that you have a CPU and ddr3 RAM to sell instead of just a CPU) The GPU is much easier to upgrade because your GPU is much further away from todays graphics cards - http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1722?vs=1731 | ||
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Kukaracha
France1954 Posts
Option 1 (changing just the mobo) : I had a hard time finding a MB with a 1155 socket, in fact I couldn't find an ATX sized one, only mATX. The ASRock H61M-DGS seemed good enough. Option 2 (upgrading MB, CPU and RAM) : http://fr.pcpartpicker.com/user/Kkrch/saved/#view=n7FBD3 Questions : - Wouldn't my current build, with a 1155 MB, be a bottleneck for performance, even with a 1070 GPU? I'd like to be able to play most games on High/Ultra (including multiplayer), but also run Premiere Pro fairly smoothly as well as the Adobe suite (Illustrator, Photoshop, Indesign). - Following option 2, is my PSU going to be enough? I read somewhere that it was better to run on 50% of the PSU's capacity... I feel that option 2 is better in the longterm, but it's pretty expensive, so if can get away with changing the mobo and investing only on a GPU it would be an interesting alternative. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20345 Posts
- Wouldn't my current build, with a 1155 MB, be a bottleneck for performance, even with a 1070 GPU? I'd like to be able to play most games on High/Ultra (including multiplayer) It depends on the game and the FPS you're trying to run at. It's probably better to be asking "can X CPU run Y game at Z fps?" because you can't meaningfully answer if CPU A would give less FPS than GPU B without going into a very specific situation. but also run Premiere Pro fairly smoothly as well as the Adobe suite (Illustrator, Photoshop, Indesign). That stuff should be mostly CPU, RAM and storage drive related AFAIK but there may be GPU acceleration of some things ----- Following option 2, is my PSU going to be enough? I read somewhere that it was better to run on 50% of the PSU's capacity... The peak efficiency is usually around 50% load. With a 6600k and 1070 overclocked you'd be looking at something like 350w under full load everything, considerably less in most games (which will not load every CPU core and GPU to 100% simultaneously) so it's probably the best PSU size that you could have. Even if it wasn't (and your PSU was often sitting at 60-70% load) then the cost of replacing the PSU would almost certainly be greater than the benefit of slightly increased efficiency with a new unit | ||
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