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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On June 01 2016 22:33 icystorage wrote: would it really be $200 srp?! i just bought my 960 strix last feb for much higher price The $200 is probably for a reference design, but yeah. 390/970-980 performance for that price point. Perf/dollar is enough to force a response from Nvidia i think like a pricedrop on 1070 and 1060. Sure the 1070 is faster, i'm not sure how much faster (potentially as much as 30-35%, maybe nowhere near as much) but the MSRP is $200 vs $380. That's too much of a gap. If you mean last feb as in 15-16 months ago.. GPU's move forwards. It sucks and it's awesome at the same time | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
On May 31 2016 22:16 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: hey guys, we're a group of ex-progamers and actualy progamers looking to make little stream studio about sports and it would be nice to hear few suggestions about PC build we should use to stream anything flawlessly, and should we take at least two PC's? on the other hand I saw ppl streaming exclusivly only with monitors avaliable, so kinda not sure about such details What do you mean by streaming sports? Console games? | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On June 02 2016 01:07 Cyro wrote: The $200 is probably for a reference design, but yeah. 390/970-980 performance for that price point. Perf/dollar is enough to force a response from Nvidia i think like a pricedrop on 1070 and 1060. Sure the 1070 is faster, i'm not sure how much faster (potentially as much as 30-35%, maybe nowhere near as much) but the MSRP is $200 vs $380. That's too much of a gap. If you mean last feb as in 15-16 months ago.. GPU's move forwards. It sucks and it's awesome at the same time As of now there is no 3rd party benchmark yet Anyway the one standout pros point is RX 480 is VR-capable at $200, but $200 is for the 4GB version, not sure how much the 8GB version will cost, and will 4GB has any impact on performance. I think this one is a direct hit at Nvidia delayed launch of the GTX 1060, as we have no info about it till now. @icystorage: thats how fast computer hardware moves, buy something and something else much better comes out at cheaper price. Anyway I wont be worried much if I were you, in fact, I am on the same boat. Bought my GTX960 6months back, still rocking it fine, no regret. Honestly it can handle all games just fine, dropping to high/medium on AAA games doesnt show much difference actually. However, if you are really into VR, then yeah a reason to be sad. Anyway, for me next upgrade will probably be 1080Ti or 1170 or something, no rush yet | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
not sure how much the 8GB version will cost, and will 4GB has any impact on performance. VRAM capacity doesn't really affect performance unless you're trying to use more VRAM than you have. At 4GB it has more VRAM than a 970 and equal with a 980, so it's not that unusual for the performance level. Add in an 8GB variant at like $30 more or whatever for those that want VRAM heavy stuff and it's fine | ||
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TyrionSC2
United States411 Posts
I'm trying to build a new desktop in about 1 month. Can I get some feedback on this build? I built a desktop 4 years ago but my friends picked the parts. I picked these so any feedback would be really awesome!! CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K www.newegg.com GPU: GTX 1080 (Not sure which variant. Should I wait for liquid cooling??) MOBO: MSI MSI Gaming Z170A GAMING M5 www.newegg.com HDD:WD Black 1TB Performance Desktop Hard Disk Drive www.newegg.com SDD: SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2.5" 250GB secure.newegg.com Ram: Patriot Viper Xtreme 16GB (4 x 4GB) www.newegg.com OS: Windows 10 Home DVD Burner: ASUS 24X DVD Burner www.newegg.com Case: Phanteks Evolv PH-ES515E www.newegg.com (I was flamed for this case choice by my friend. Suggestions????) Monitor(s): Acer XB270HU Abprz Black 27" 144Hz www.newegg.com + I already have 1920x1080 Asus 23.6H Total Price: $2,504.10 Link to wishlist: secure.newegg.com Questions: Does this work? (all the parts fit? I think they do but I'm not experienced at this) Should I wait for a variant of the 1080 that uses liquid cooling for example? Should I get the 1070 instead? Can I run a 1440p monitor AND a 1080p monitor? (1440 game, 1080p not games) Can I run a 1440p monitor, a 1080p monitor, and stream? If yes, can I do it with a 1070 instead of a 1080? Are there better / cheaper 1440p monitors? Is the case too expensive? Better cases? Any other feedback in general? Purposes of computer: Game (Dota, SC2, Far Cry, possibly new games from time to time) Stream Lots of microsoft office Music composition I tried guys! Hopefully I can get some feedback from all of you soon! I plan on waiting until Father's day / 4th of July sale on Newegg since there are usually good deals there. | ||
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zekiY
United States11 Posts
On June 01 2016 09:35 Cyro wrote: You'll need ddr4 RAM (+ a ddr4 mobo) or low voltage ddr3 (1.35v) with a ddr3 mobo, 1.5v RAM isn't ok for Skylake. DDR4 is probably best. So if I wanted to go DDR4, is this what I should be looking at? Kingston HyperX FURY Black 8GB Kit (2x4GB) 2133MHz DDR4 Non-ECC CL14 DIMM Desktop Memory (HX421C14FBK2/8) Gigabyte LGA1151 Intel H110 Micro ATX DDR4 Motherboard GA-H110M-A | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
------ @ TyrionSC2 Liquid cooling won't be very important for the 1080 but a good card model will affect overclocking. The reference card cooler is not that great and it's power limited, so if you want better-than-stock performance then you should buy a card with a better cooler and better OC abilities. Same goes for the 1070. Should I get the 1070 instead? If you don't want to pay the extra 1080 price for like 1.3x performance. Not sure of exact performance diff but the $$ per frame is bad on the 1080. Can I run a 1440p monitor AND a 1080p monitor? (1440 game, 1080p not games) Can I run a 1440p monitor, a 1080p monitor, and stream? Having a monitor plugged in and displaying the windows desktop or random programs is not hard at all, it's practically free. You don't even need a graphics card to do it. For game FPS, 1080 will just give like 30% higher when you're GPU-limited. --- "Streaming" is easy too on a baseline level.. the difficulty is a matter of quality per bit, stream FPS, stream resolution and the performance hit on the game. You can stream using NVENC on the GPU even at huge stream resolutions and FPS's with practically 0 performance hit on the game, but the quality per bit is poor. With CPU encoding there is better quality per bit but the performance hit on game is higher, even if your CPU can more than handle the encoding load. There are ceilings on the FPS and resolution that you can live encode and this depends a lot on the game that you're playing - one game might use 20% of a quad core CPU while another one uses 80%. You might be able to stream the first game at 1080p60 10mbits while the second one will choke even at 720p60. -- For HDD, that one looks pretty expensive. You can get a 3TB HDD for that price, there are a lot of 2-3TB HDD's of various brands for that $$. This one is a WD black but "high performance" HDD is a bit of a joke - if it's performance sensitive it'll go on the SSD. Some of the biggest weaknesses of hard drives won't be improved much between a WD blue and a WD black~ Get at least ~3000c15 RAM for CPU performance in games and some other workloads. The 3000mhz is practically the same price as 2133 but it can be worth buying 3600+mhz RAM for FPS in some situations. I like the Air 540 case which is ~$130, there are quite a lot of cases cheaper than that one you linked. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
On June 02 2016 01:07 Cyro wrote: The $200 is probably for a reference design, but yeah. 390/970-980 performance for that price point. Perf/dollar is enough to force a response from Nvidia i think like a pricedrop on 1070 and 1060. Sure the 1070 is faster, i'm not sure how much faster (potentially as much as 30-35%, maybe nowhere near as much) but the MSRP is $200 vs $380. That's too much of a gap. If you mean last feb as in 15-16 months ago.. GPU's move forwards. It sucks and it's awesome at the same time feb 2016. but im still pretty happy with it. im still too new with the hardware stuff and trying to be informed for better decisions in the future  | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
On June 02 2016 05:51 TyrionSC2 wrote: Hi TL!! I'm trying to build a new desktop in about 1 month. Can I get some feedback on this build? I built a desktop 4 years ago but my friends picked the parts. I picked these so any feedback would be really awesome!! CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K www.newegg.com GPU: GTX 1080 (Not sure which variant. Should I wait for liquid cooling??) MOBO: MSI MSI Gaming Z170A GAMING M5 www.newegg.com HDD:WD Black 1TB Performance Desktop Hard Disk Drive www.newegg.com SDD: SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2.5" 250GB secure.newegg.com Ram: Patriot Viper Xtreme 16GB (4 x 4GB) www.newegg.com OS: Windows 10 Home DVD Burner: ASUS 24X DVD Burner www.newegg.com Case: Phanteks Evolv PH-ES515E www.newegg.com (I was flamed for this case choice by my friend. Suggestions????) Monitor(s): Acer XB270HU Abprz Black 27" 144Hz www.newegg.com + I already have 1920x1080 Asus 23.6H Total Price: $2,504.10 Link to wishlist: secure.newegg.com Questions: Does this work? (all the parts fit? I think they do but I'm not experienced at this) Should I wait for a variant of the 1080 that uses liquid cooling for example? Should I get the 1070 instead? Can I run a 1440p monitor AND a 1080p monitor? (1440 game, 1080p not games) Can I run a 1440p monitor, a 1080p monitor, and stream? If yes, can I do it with a 1070 instead of a 1080? Are there better / cheaper 1440p monitors? Is the case too expensive? Better cases? Any other feedback in general? Purposes of computer: Game (Dota, SC2, Far Cry, possibly new games from time to time) Stream Lots of microsoft office Music composition I tried guys! Hopefully I can get some feedback from all of you soon! I plan on waiting until Father's day / 4th of July sale on Newegg since there are usually good deals there. 1) Motherboard is too expensive, unless you actually need those features.. I went with the cheapest Z170 / LGA1151 motherboard which is like $85 US and it works perfectly, it's not a "poor quality" one just because its cheap. All motherboards do is connect your parts together, and you pay more for them if you want extra features like quad-SLI. 2) Do you need a 1gb harddrive? I'd just get a 500gb evo 850 instead, it should be enough.. I'm using just a single 250gb evo 850 and it's great. I have windows 10, broodwar and my movies and I still have 150 gb free. SSD are totally silent so it's nice to have a quiet comp.. if you run out of space in the future you can always add another ssd. 3) Your ram is wrong, I read it should be at least 2666 mhz or it bottlenecks skylake: http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-memory-scaling-intel-z170-finding-the-best-ddr4-memory-kit-speed_170340/6 4) Your comp won't work because you don't have a power supply 5) Get a cheaper case. Mine was like $30 US and it's just as beautiful as yours: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811853002&AID=10657534&PID=3938566&SID=&nm_mc=AFC-C8JunctionCA&cm_mmc=AFC-C8JunctionCA-_-na-_-na-_-na&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-%zn 6) Do you need a dvd thing? I don't have one 7) Your comp won't work because you don't have a cpu fan. It doesn't come with I7-6700K 8) Do you need I7 6700K? You can save money with normal I7 or even I5.. cpu has very little effect on frame rate in games, the bottleneck is almost always GPU. 9) Here's my build and the site I use in Canada, not sure if your country has one: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/QpL63C You can make your own build on that site and check compatibility and prices, remember the currency exchange rate. Also you can filter by a lot of stuff and check cheapest prices.. Good luck | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
I read it should be at least 2666 mhz or it bottlenecks skylake: It's not as simple as "X bottlenecks, Y does not" - different workloads spend different amounts of time waiting for RAM. For some the RAM speed is almost completely irrelevant, for some you can get 3% or 5% or 10% or 20% (depending on the program) faster speed from doubling RAM performance. Your site says to get ~3000mhz, RAM prices have changed a lot in the last 10 months since mainstream ddr4 launch http://www.techspot.com/article/1171-ddr4-4000-mhz-performance/page3.html 8) Do you need I7 6700K? You can save money with normal I7 or even I5.. cpu has very little effect on frame rate in games, the bottleneck is almost always GPU. It depends on the game and the way that you want to play it, the CPU and RAM does matter to an extent.. maybe just a little bit for one game but another will be entirely defined by CPU performance. The most common scenarios for CPU and RAM being important in gaming are for RTS/MMO games and games that you want to play at a high framerate. If you're 100% GPU bound then faster RAM won't help you either and it wouldn't matter even if you used a CPU of half of the 6600k cost. It does matter, but it matters way more in some situations than others. How much effective performance you gain CPU to CPU and from features like hyperthreading is another discussion | ||
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TyrionSC2
United States411 Posts
I will try to respond to everything as best as I can. I will also post my updated part list as per your suggestions! Any more feedback is very welcome! On June 02 2016 07:32 Cyro wrote: @ TyrionSC2 Liquid cooling won't be very important for the 1080 but a good card model will affect overclocking. The reference card cooler is not that great and it's power limited, so if you want better-than-stock performance then you should buy a card with a better cooler and better OC abilities. Same goes for the 1070. Do you think it's worth it to go hard and get a better card than the reference card or is the 1080 fine as is then? Cooling is a big deal to me so if better cards have better coolers I may go with them? On June 02 2016 07:32 Cyro wrote: Get at least ~3000c15 RAM for CPU performance in games and some other workloads. The 3000mhz is practically the same price as 2133 but it can be worth buying 3600+mhz RAM for FPS in some situations. Updated! Thank you! On June 02 2016 07:32 Cyro wrote: I like the Air 540 case which is ~$130, there are quite a lot of cases cheaper than that one you linked. My issue with this case is the limited # of USB ports. It appears to have only 2. I don't want to have 2-3 USB hubs. Do you have any other suggestions?? (Current desktop is using Rosewill challenger u3 and I have each USB filled w/ occasion to use a hub for 2 more). On June 02 2016 07:32 Cyro wrote: For HDD, that one looks pretty expensive. You can get a 3TB HDD for that price, there are a lot of 2-3TB HDD's of various brands for that $$. This one is a WD black but "high performance" HDD is a bit of a joke - if it's performance sensitive it'll go on the SSD. Some of the biggest weaknesses of hard drives won't be improved much between a WD blue and a WD black~ Okay I will change the HDD. I wasn't sure on this. Thank you!! On June 03 2016 02:32 Assault_1 wrote: 1) Motherboard is too expensive, unless you actually need those features.. I went with the cheapest Z170 / LGA1151 motherboard which is like $85 US and it works perfectly, it's not a "poor quality" one just because its cheap. All motherboards do is connect your parts together, and you pay more for them if you want extra features like quad-SLI. 2) Do you need a 1gb harddrive? I'd just get a 500gb evo 850 instead, it should be enough.. I'm using just a single 250gb evo 850 and it's great. I have windows 10, broodwar and my movies and I still have 150 gb free. SSD are totally silent so it's nice to have a quiet comp.. if you run out of space in the future you can always add another ssd. Yes I need a 1tb hdd. As an education major I am writing documents constantly and filled 75gb on my current desktop in 2 months with just docs. While that number is an outlier, I prefer to have extra space than less. On June 03 2016 02:32 Assault_1 wrote: 4) Your comp won't work because you don't have a power supply I actually do have one on the link that I posted. I forgot to post it. I will repost everything at the bottom of this post with updated info. On June 03 2016 02:32 Assault_1 wrote: 6) Do you need a dvd thing? I don't have one Yes. On June 03 2016 02:32 Assault_1 wrote: 7) Your comp won't work because you don't have a cpu fan. It doesn't come with I7-6700K Do you have some suggestions for fans? What do I do to alleviate this? On June 03 2016 02:32 Assault_1 wrote: 8) Do you need I7 6700K? You can save money with normal I7 or even I5.. cpu has very little effect on frame rate in games, the bottleneck is almost always GPU. Yes. Questions: Case suggestions w/ more USB hubs? CPU Fan? Is the one I chose adequate? Updated Build CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 Tower Cooler For AMD/Intel CPU GPU: GTX 1080 MOBO: MSI MSI Gaming Z170A GAMING M5 HDD:WD Blue 1TB Desktop Hard Disk Drive SDD: SAMSUNG 850 EVO 2.5" 250GB Ram: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 OS: Windows 10 Home DVD Burner: ASUS 24X DVD Burner www.newegg.com Case: Phanteks Evolv PH-ES515E www.newegg.com PSU: Rosewill Capstone-G750, Capstone G Series 750W www.newegg.com Monitor(s): Acer XB270HU Abprz Black 27" 144Hz + I already have 1920x1080 Asus 23.6H Total Price: $2,465.40 Link to build: secure.newegg.com Thank you all so much for your feedback! I really appreciate it! | ||
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Assault_1
Canada1950 Posts
Also don't get the 1080 reference card, wait until the third party manufacturers release theirs like EVGA or w/e, they'll be cheaper and better quality and cooling, that's what I read. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Do you think it's worth it to go hard and get a better card than the reference card or is the 1080 fine as is then? Cooling is a big deal to me so if better cards have better coolers I may go with them? I am not even considering buying a reference card because the cooling and OCability is bad My issue with this case is the limited # of USB ports. It appears to have only 2. I don't want to have 2-3 USB hubs. You're probably looking at the front panel USB ports. All of the back slots for plugging in USB, headphones, ps/2 etc are on the motherboard which is sticking out of the back of the case, it's not a specific case feature. The motherboard that you have listed has 6 slots there in addition to the two for the front of case. Do you have some suggestions for fans? What do I do to alleviate this? If you're overclocking: Buy a decent cooler. If not, buy a non-K CPU as they come with intel stock coolers. I don't know the best coolers for US market but some stuff like this should be decent - http://pcpartpicker.com/product/Ztp323/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h5ultimate ------- 750w PSU is overkill, a max overclocked 6700k + gtx1080 build will have trouble maxing out a 450w PSU. ~550w is good | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
So i decided to go for evga supernova G2 650W. And i just switched the evga mode on but its still not silent when i am just in windows writing this for example. The computer was built in the store i bought it, maybe something is missing? Anything that is wrong? Its supposed to be silent isnt it when you are in windows doing like nothing. | ||
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Firkraag8
Sweden1006 Posts
The EVGA G2 silence mode won't make your whole computer silent, it's just for the actual PSU. What you're hearing are most likely case/cpu fans or something else. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
Its a noctua nh-15 for the processor, it runs in around 400rpm. Dunno if its something else than the psu here? I will try and listen myself but in general, does it sound like this computer would have a kind of sound when iam only in windows? edit: i hear another sound which i didnt hear yesterday.. I opened the case and listened and it came from the psu. Freaking annoying sound. Sounds abit like coil whine. I also listened to the processor fan, the noctua nh15, i sounds quite abit i think.. The GPU is so close there.. Ah man, so annoying computer so far. | ||
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
Do you reckon that's worth it, or should I wait for the 1070 ITX version? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
On June 03 2016 18:25 DickMcFanny wrote: I can upgrade my GTX 950 now to a 970 for a 100 € net loss after eBay fees. Do you reckon that's worth it, or should I wait for the 1070 ITX version? 970 is close to twice as fast as 950, the 1070 is like 1.65x faster still I think maybe worth it if you want to play @1080p60 and drop some settings on the most demanding games. Most games are surprisingly easy to run on the GPU these days.. we have reviewers calling the 1070 the "1440p sweet spot" and not even doing 1920x1080 benchmarks even though 1080ti is going to come along soon and be twice as fast. It's just a lack of game devs actually pushing hardware any more. | ||
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