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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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Dodh
Switzerland55 Posts
I've been using my brand new Hanns.G 120hz monitor for like 1 month, and there's more thing I dislike than the opposite. The smoothness is top notch, it's my first 120hz and I have to admit that it's really nice. But I'm using it with a 60hz monitor as the secondary display, and I have an awful lot of screen tearing. The game where I see it most is CS:GO, because you're more focus on the image I think. I did everything : Vertical sync, limiting FPS, triple buffering -> Nada! Always that goddamn screen tearing. I even tried to put the scaling mod on the GPU on the Nvidia control panel, and nothing. I will just send it back, it's awful and I really hate it. My spec : - Gtx 670 OC - i5 3570k @ 4.4ghz - Hanns.G hs233h3b @ 120hz - Asus Ve228T @ 60hz | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
I'm looking at 24" 16:10 IPS/PLS monitors at the moment. I will probably want to add a second in the future, and maybe a third in the far future for that vertical-horizontal-vertical triple monitor thing. I've narrowed it down to two Dell U2412M Asus PA248Q I think I'll be going for the PA248Q since it's a bit cheaper and I can go to the physical store hopefully to look it over for defects (plus return is easier). I just wanted to confirm the following paragraph plus some stuff. The two are essentially the same except the Dell has more uniform backlighting, and the Asus has the 1:1 mapping support, better default calibration, plus more other features I don't know of at the moment. So from that paragraph, there's really no point for me to aggressively go for the Dell versus the Asus. Backlighting shouldn't be too much of an issue as long as movies aren't affected. However, I'm stuck deciding whether it is worth it at the price point. I'm looking at the Samsung S24A850DW as well, mainly because it's glossy. I rotate between movies, games, browsing the web and coding, so I'm not sure what type of screen is better. I've heard glossy contrast is a lot better, and from the iMacs, I can't disagree, though I'm not sure what type of quality the Samsung is, since a lot of people are complaining about huge backlighting issues, so I don't think I can justify the $500 even if it's better in every other way, which I think people said it was. I wish there was a cheap iMac quality display. Do those exist, or do you have to buy an iMac and find a connector? I think I also excluded the U2410 and the 246Q because they're too expensive, they're hard to calibrate, and they're overkill for applications outside of intensive photo-editing (where you would head into Apple territory). Am I missing anything else here? Is there any reason I should reconsider my options, given that I'm looking at the Asus and Dell, with a maybe on the Samsung? | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
The two are essentially the same except the Dell has more uniform backlighting, and the Asus has the 1:1 mapping support, better default calibration, plus more other features I don't know of at the moment. So from that paragraph, there's really no point for me to aggressively go for the Dell versus the Asus. Backlighting shouldn't be too much of an issue as long as movies aren't affected. That's pretty much it. You seem to be misunderstanding backlight bleeding and panel uniformity. Backlight bleeding is basically what the name suggests: excessive light passing through the panel, making dark scenes potentially look like ass. Panel uniformity is basically how even the screen is when it comes to brightness, which is a bit different from backlight bleeding. I know this means we're entering OCD Central but its worth knowing. However, I'm stuck deciding whether it is worth it at the price point. I'm looking at the Samsung S24A850DW as well, mainly because it's glossy. I rotate between movies, games, browsing the web and coding, so I'm not sure what type of screen is better. I've heard glossy contrast is a lot better, and from the iMacs, I can't disagree, though I'm not sure what type of quality the Samsung is, since a lot of people are complaining about huge backlighting issues, so I don't think I can justify the $500 even if it's better in every other way, which I think people said it was. The Samsung uses PLS, which is semi-matte. Its basically a happy medium between the glossy vanity mirror that are glossy screens and the aggressive glare busters that are found on most matte IPS displays. Yes, I have not seen a single 24" PLS monitor that was not suffering from hideous amounts of backlight bleeding. Don't ask why, Samsung's 27" PLS panels are mostly fine and they really should be the panel that suffers from backlight bleeding as they're much larger. So try and buy one from a place with a really good return policy in case you get huge buyer's remorse. I wish there was a cheap iMac quality display. Do those exist, or do you have to buy an iMac and find a connector? The cheap 27" 2560x1440 monitors from Korea are basically the same. Same panel and shit, just don't expect the best warranty and quality control. Doesn't mean you're going to get a complete dud, most are perfectly fine for the majority of people. Alternatively, there are Dell's S series of monitors which are basically exactly the same as the Apple Cinema Displays but they're 16: 9 so... The problem is that 16:10 is basically dead. You can only find 16:10 from specific business vendors (and even then, only on the 24" and 30" lineups) and you're often paying a huge premium for them. If you want a full gloss 16:10 24" monitor, your only option is honestly the 24" Apple Cinema Display. I think I also excluded the U2410 and the 246Q because they're too expensive, they're hard to calibrate, and they're overkill for applications outside of intensive photo-editing (where you would head into Apple territory). Am I missing anything else here? The U2410 and PA246Q are bad because literally everything on the internet is really designed for sRGB and they're wide gamut monitors. Some people like wide gamut because of oversaturation but a lot of people hate it for the same reason because it makes everything look unnatural. It should be immediately noticeable when looking at skin. There are also other problems. Because they're old CCFL wide gamut monitors, they get hotter, they consume more power, have worse black depth, worse contrast, etc. They're not even that great for their intended purpose since they lack everything that makes an NEC PA series monitor worth getting. If you're going hog wild, you might as well get the best. They're not hard to calibrate per se. The problem is that a lot of cheaper calibration tools piss their pants when dealing with wide gamut. Not to mention a lot of wide gamut monitors tend to have pretty defective sRGB modes that end up making images look undersaturated. Basically they're more expensive and shittier than the newer LED-based IPS monitors for a typical consumer that isn't specifically seeking colour oversaturation. If you're looking for 16:10 and 24" specifically, I still think the best sensible option is the Dell U2412M. There are a few other options out there but it depends on how much money you're willing to piss away. | ||
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
I'm looking for a new 120hz monitor, and since I've been very happy with the Samsung one I've got for the past few years, I thought I'd stick with them. | ||
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Womwomwom
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Juddas
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So I have this ASUS monitor that is fantastic looking, and when it works, it's great. However, Sometimes the left side of the screen will have a sort of flicker if I type too forcefully, and quite often the entire screen randomly goes black. It just seems to turn off. I have my headphones plugged into the monitor, so I can still hear whatever was going on, but then I have to turn it off and on numerous times until it even thinks about working again. I am just flabbergasted. Worst thing is it usually happens when the desk shakes even slightly, which means that when I type, or macro, or try to combo in league, that my monitor just blacks out. Any idea what is causing it or how I can fix it? | ||
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gillon
Sweden1578 Posts
On December 17 2012 23:57 Womwomwom wrote: As far as I know, it seems to be the case. The 950D seems to be, theoretically, the worst model since the aesthetic design is short sighted enough to put strain on the panel. Ok, it's too bad I can't seem to find them anywhere on my common swedish sites. (webhallen/komplett/inett etc) and pricerunner basically comes up empty. Where would I get em? | ||
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RiSkysc2
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On December 17 2012 21:53 Womwomwom wrote:+ Show Spoiler + The two are essentially the same except the Dell has more uniform backlighting, and the Asus has the 1:1 mapping support, better default calibration, plus more other features I don't know of at the moment. So from that paragraph, there's really no point for me to aggressively go for the Dell versus the Asus. Backlighting shouldn't be too much of an issue as long as movies aren't affected. That's pretty much it. You seem to be misunderstanding backlight bleeding and panel uniformity. Backlight bleeding is basically what the name suggests: excessive light passing through the panel, making dark scenes potentially look like ass. Panel uniformity is basically how even the screen is when it comes to brightness, which is a bit different from backlight bleeding. I know this means we're entering OCD Central but its worth knowing. However, I'm stuck deciding whether it is worth it at the price point. I'm looking at the Samsung S24A850DW as well, mainly because it's glossy. I rotate between movies, games, browsing the web and coding, so I'm not sure what type of screen is better. I've heard glossy contrast is a lot better, and from the iMacs, I can't disagree, though I'm not sure what type of quality the Samsung is, since a lot of people are complaining about huge backlighting issues, so I don't think I can justify the $500 even if it's better in every other way, which I think people said it was. The Samsung uses PLS, which is semi-matte. Its basically a happy medium between the glossy vanity mirror that are glossy screens and the aggressive glare busters that are found on most matte IPS displays. Yes, I have not seen a single 24" PLS monitor that was not suffering from hideous amounts of backlight bleeding. Don't ask why, Samsung's 27" PLS panels are mostly fine and they really should be the panel that suffers from backlight bleeding as they're much larger. So try and buy one from a place with a really good return policy in case you get huge buyer's remorse. I wish there was a cheap iMac quality display. Do those exist, or do you have to buy an iMac and find a connector? The cheap 27" 2560x1440 monitors from Korea are basically the same. Same panel and shit, just don't expect the best warranty and quality control. Doesn't mean you're going to get a complete dud, most are perfectly fine for the majority of people. Alternatively, there are Dell's S series of monitors which are basically exactly the same as the Apple Cinema Displays but they're 16: 9 so... The problem is that 16:10 is basically dead. You can only find 16:10 from specific business vendors (and even then, only on the 24" and 30" lineups) and you're often paying a huge premium for them. If you want a full gloss 16:10 24" monitor, your only option is honestly the 24" Apple Cinema Display. I think I also excluded the U2410 and the 246Q because they're too expensive, they're hard to calibrate, and they're overkill for applications outside of intensive photo-editing (where you would head into Apple territory). Am I missing anything else here? The U2410 and PA246Q are bad because literally everything on the internet is really designed for sRGB and they're wide gamut monitors. Some people like wide gamut because of oversaturation but a lot of people hate it for the same reason because it makes everything look unnatural. It should be immediately noticeable when looking at skin. There are also other problems. Because they're old CCFL wide gamut monitors, they get hotter, they consume more power, have worse black depth, worse contrast, etc. They're not even that great for their intended purpose since they lack everything that makes an NEC PA series monitor worth getting. If you're going hog wild, you might as well get the best. They're not hard to calibrate per se. The problem is that a lot of cheaper calibration tools piss their pants when dealing with wide gamut. Not to mention a lot of wide gamut monitors tend to have pretty defective sRGB modes that end up making images look undersaturated. Basically they're more expensive and shittier than the newer LED-based IPS monitors for a typical consumer that isn't specifically seeking colour oversaturation. If you're looking for 16:10 and 24" specifically, I still think the best sensible option is the Dell U2412M. There are a few other options out there but it depends on how much money you're willing to piss away. You're a boss. Thanks for confirming everything. You basically summed up like 20 Google results + however many pages in each one. XD I can't find a U2412M near me though, Toronto, so if I see an opportunity I think I'll have to go for the Asus still. | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On December 12 2012 06:49 Dodh wrote: <Problems with 120hz> Sorry but I have no idea what the problem is. Vertical sync should have fixed the problem but it appears it hasn't. I suspect the different refresh rates is confusing your GPU/GPU drivers but I can't say for sure. On December 18 2012 07:42 RiSkyToss wrote: When i receive my Benq xl240t do i need to do anything to enable the 120hz mode when i plug it in or will it automatically go to 120hz? Quick check list: - Are you using DisplayPort or dual-link DVI and plugging it into the right ports. Be careful, some DVI ports found on some GPUs are only single link for some reason. - Is the refresh rate under Screen Resolution -> Advanced Settings -> Monitor 120hz? - Is the ingame settings set at 120hz? The game and computer should automatically figure it out but the above is how you can check if its specifically running at 120hz. On December 18 2012 12:57 Blisse wrote: You're a boss. Thanks for confirming everything. You basically summed up like 20 Google results + however many pages in each one. XD I can't find a U2412M near me though, Toronto, so if I see an opportunity I think I'll have to go for the Asus still. Just buy from Dell Canada. Post-sales support might be on the phone but its pretty much as good as Apple's immediate post-sales support. That is to say that if you have any beef with the sample you have, just tell Dell what the problem is and the problem should be sorted pretty much painlessly. Its also close to Christmas/End of Year so Dell should have some sales coming up. On December 18 2012 02:22 gillon wrote: Ok, it's too bad I can't seem to find them anywhere on my common swedish sites. (webhallen/komplett/inett etc) and pricerunner basically comes up empty. Where would I get em? Here...I think. I think Samsung is about to refresh their 120hz monitors so you can't find them anywhere. Buying one of the older models isn't going to be a problem, they're pretty good monitors as they are. The 750D can only do 120hz through DisplayPort (HDMI version is like 1.2 so not enough bandwidth) so make sure your GPU has DisplayPort. On December 18 2012 01:54 Juddas wrote: Hey I have a toubleshooting question and hope this is the right place to ask, but since I got the recommendation here I thought it would be ok. So I have this ASUS monitor that is fantastic looking, and when it works, it's great. However, Sometimes the left side of the screen will have a sort of flicker if I type too forcefully, and quite often the entire screen randomly goes black. It just seems to turn off. I have my headphones plugged into the monitor, so I can still hear whatever was going on, but then I have to turn it off and on numerous times until it even thinks about working again. I am just flabbergasted. Worst thing is it usually happens when the desk shakes even slightly, which means that when I type, or macro, or try to combo in league, that my monitor just blacks out. Any idea what is causing it or how I can fix it? It might be a loose LVDS cable. What I mean is the LCD cable inside the chassis, not your DVI cable. The solution is to, somehow, open up the monitor and push the cable back into the relevant slot. Most monitors open up pretty easily. No idea if it'll void your warranty. If you're out of warranty, it can't hurt trying this out. If you're within warranty, it might be worthwhile talking to Asus about your problem since I have no idea what your problem actually is; I'm just making an educated guess. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On December 18 2012 16:54 Womwomwom wrote: Just buy from Dell Canada. Post-sales support might be on the phone but its pretty much as good as Apple's immediate post-sales support. That is to say that if you have any beef with the sample you have, just tell Dell what the problem is and the problem should be sorted pretty much painlessly. Its also close to Christmas/End of Year so Dell should have some sales coming up. Yeah, but I was hoping to get a console maybe sometime in the future and the 16:10 resolution would kill it without the 1:1 mapping I think, plus the lack of HDMI. I'll look into the upcoming Christmas deals and see which of the two is cheaper before I make my decision. ^^ Thanks again! | ||
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RiSkysc2
696 Posts
When i receive my Benq xl240t do i need to do anything to enable the 120hz mode when i plug it in or will it automatically go to 120hz? Quick check list: - Are you using DisplayPort or dual-link DVI and plugging it into the right ports. Be careful, some DVI ports found on some GPUs are only single link for some reason. - Is the refresh rate under Screen Resolution -> Advanced Settings -> Monitor 120hz? - Is the ingame settings set at 120hz? The game and computer should automatically figure it out but the above is how you can check if its specifically running at 120hz. I'm using displayport. I'll be using it for sc2, will sc2 automatically use the 120hz? Ty for the checklist! | ||
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Mysticesper
United States1183 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On December 19 2012 06:00 Blisse wrote: Yeah, but I was hoping to get a console maybe sometime in the future and the 16:10 resolution would kill it without the 1:1 mapping I think, plus the lack of HDMI. I'll look into the upcoming Christmas deals and see which of the two is cheaper before I make my decision. ^^ Thanks again! OH if you are going to use a PS3, yes you are going to definitely need 1:1 pixel mapping. The Dell is out of the picture if that is the case. | ||
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Blisse
Canada3710 Posts
On December 19 2012 09:29 Womwomwom wrote: OH if you are going to use a PS3, yes you are going to definitely need 1:1 pixel mapping. The Dell is out of the picture if that is the case. Ahhh, well that makes things a lot easier. XD Thanks a bunch once again. Now hopefully no dead pixels. What setup do you have, wom? | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Not really super hot on the idea of spending 1k+ on it tho (this one when it was new was almost 1.5k), and so was pleasantly surprised when looking around Gmarket that there's some cheaper alternatives in the world of 30" monitors nowadays... Anyone have any experience with this monitor: Crossover 3020MDP ? 550$~ but don't know anything about it or the brand... | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
The Crossover is basically a low budget versions of offerings from Dell (so U3010). There isn't anything bad about them, especially if you're in Korea where warranty is local. The only real catch is that they're typically using lower grade panels so tolerances for things like brightness uniformity, dead pixels, etc. are probably more loose. Compared to the 305t (the non plus version), the differences are as follows: - The Crossover is wide gamut while the 305t is not. - Samsung's antiglare coating is far less obtrusive. - The Crossover uses IPS, which has worse contrast and black depth than the S-PVA panel found in the Samsung. - Both should have similar motion performance and input lag. - Some of the multiple input cheapass 30" monitors (like the Shimians) have very unstable contrast stability. So if you lower the brightness, the contrast gets murdered in the process. I don't believe this is a problem with the Crossovers. That's about it. Resolution is the same but appearances are not. For a replacement 30" monitor, these budget 30" monitors are perfectly fine though its probably going to look worse than the 305t you currently have. Does it have to be 30"? The cheap 27" offerings are honestly better in just about every way if you don't mind gloss. On December 19 2012 13:22 Blisse wrote: Ahhh, well that makes things a lot easier. XD Thanks a bunch once again. Now hopefully no dead pixels. What setup do you have, wom? Currently an Eizo FS2332 and a severely damaged NEC LCD2690wuxi. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Thanks a lot! | ||
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