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Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
January 24 2012 12:45 GMT
#1601
On January 24 2012 18:43 mTwTT1 wrote:
the degenerate in me is leaning towards the topre, i just HAVE to game on it
fuckfuck too bad i didnt get it while it was on sale

Maybe you should try the Qsenn SEM-DT35. They sell that on Ebay and it has a unique light, but still bit tactile feel to it. If you have already tried that plank, then in mechanics I would say that browns are the way to go. It's tactile yes, but so is Topre AFAIK. Sure you can game with almost every keyboard there is out there, but Topre isn't exactly made for playing games.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 13:15:54
January 24 2012 13:15 GMT
#1602
On January 24 2012 18:18 slytown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 18:08 mTwTT1 wrote:
ah!!! why cant there be a linear switch that has an actuation force in between red's and black's


If you really want to spend the money, topre switches are the cream of the crop. They are considered to have an even smoother feel than linear MX switches.

Topres aren't linear though... it's in between a linear and a brown(I have a topre)

Oh but it's really smooth yes.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
velocitygirl
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom64 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 14:28:25
January 24 2012 14:28 GMT
#1603
I posted a review of the Corsair K90 mentioned in the OP in another thread in the forum. Hope it's OK to mention that here
Team Acer Editor-in-Chief | @AcerWill
Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
January 24 2012 15:42 GMT
#1604
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823201045&cm_sp=DailyDeal-_-23-201-045-_-Product

^Rosewell Cherry Blacks on sale for80 bucks today.
Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Gandhi
zeeQue
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom184 Posts
January 24 2012 17:15 GMT
#1605
My Noppoo Choc Mini was waiting for me when I got back to uni and this thing is fucking amazing!!! I'm never going back to normal ones again, I love the MX Browns more than I ever could have imagined.. Now for some Yellow caps and I'm away :D
denkan112
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden15 Posts
January 24 2012 18:34 GMT
#1606
I love my qpad mk-80 with brown switches! :D:D
Boblhead
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2577 Posts
January 24 2012 19:07 GMT
#1607
On January 24 2012 18:43 mTwTT1 wrote:
the degenerate in me is leaning towards the topre, i just HAVE to game on it
fuckfuck too bad i didnt get it while it was on sale

just find a used one although still expensive you could probably get it cheap enough to justify it. But ya, one day ill have the topre and it will be glorious. Are you wanting a hhkb or a full sized realforce?
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 19:58:44
January 24 2012 19:34 GMT
#1608
On January 25 2012 04:07 Boblhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 18:43 mTwTT1 wrote:
the degenerate in me is leaning towards the topre, i just HAVE to game on it
fuckfuck too bad i didnt get it while it was on sale

just find a used one although still expensive you could probably get it cheap enough to justify it. But ya, one day ill have the topre and it will be glorious. Are you wanting a hhkb or a full sized realforce?


if i find a used one ill take w/e i can get(if its in good condition obviously), if i end up ordering a new one ill get the hhkb vers, i hate full sized boards

btw shikyo how do the keys feel whenever you try double tapping them? do they bottom out?

edit: http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=931 what do they mean by japanese?
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
cmh
Profile Joined December 2005
United States88 Posts
January 24 2012 20:31 GMT
#1609
On January 25 2012 04:34 mTwTT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 04:07 Boblhead wrote:
On January 24 2012 18:43 mTwTT1 wrote:
the degenerate in me is leaning towards the topre, i just HAVE to game on it
fuckfuck too bad i didnt get it while it was on sale

just find a used one although still expensive you could probably get it cheap enough to justify it. But ya, one day ill have the topre and it will be glorious. Are you wanting a hhkb or a full sized realforce?


if i find a used one ill take w/e i can get(if its in good condition obviously), if i end up ordering a new one ill get the hhkb vers, i hate full sized boards

btw shikyo how do the keys feel whenever you try double tapping them? do they bottom out?

edit: http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=931 what do they mean by japanese?



The japanese layout has 2 extra keys on the bottom row of the keyboard. 4 keys on the bottom left as opposed to 3 and 5 keys on the right. Other than the 'L' shaped enter key and smaller right shift that's the only big difference from the ANSI layout.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 20:41:26
January 24 2012 20:38 GMT
#1610
On January 25 2012 04:34 mTwTT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 04:07 Boblhead wrote:
On January 24 2012 18:43 mTwTT1 wrote:
the degenerate in me is leaning towards the topre, i just HAVE to game on it
fuckfuck too bad i didnt get it while it was on sale

just find a used one although still expensive you could probably get it cheap enough to justify it. But ya, one day ill have the topre and it will be glorious. Are you wanting a hhkb or a full sized realforce?


if i find a used one ill take w/e i can get(if its in good condition obviously), if i end up ordering a new one ill get the hhkb vers, i hate full sized boards

btw shikyo how do the keys feel whenever you try double tapping them? do they bottom out?

edit: http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=931 what do they mean by japanese?

Depends on the force you use, they bottom out pretty easily though. These keys acuate super early, it's somewhere in between 1.5 and 2 mm I'd say and it definitely is possible to doubletap at that point but I guess it's more natural to bottom out with these when doubletapping at least for me. I can record a video I guess if I feel like it although my desk is so dirty it's kind of an insult to this keyboard

One thing to note is that this is super rock solid build that probably would last a nuclear explosion and the keys will never do anything you don't tell them to do. The keyboard is also fully ergonomic so it might feel a bit strange to begin with for playing SC2, I might take a picture of that too
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-24 20:57:39
January 24 2012 20:56 GMT
#1611
On January 25 2012 05:38 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 04:34 mTwTT1 wrote:
On January 25 2012 04:07 Boblhead wrote:
On January 24 2012 18:43 mTwTT1 wrote:
the degenerate in me is leaning towards the topre, i just HAVE to game on it
fuckfuck too bad i didnt get it while it was on sale

just find a used one although still expensive you could probably get it cheap enough to justify it. But ya, one day ill have the topre and it will be glorious. Are you wanting a hhkb or a full sized realforce?


if i find a used one ill take w/e i can get(if its in good condition obviously), if i end up ordering a new one ill get the hhkb vers, i hate full sized boards

btw shikyo how do the keys feel whenever you try double tapping them? do they bottom out?

edit: http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=931 what do they mean by japanese?

Depends on the force you use, they bottom out pretty easily though. These keys acuate super early, it's somewhere in between 1.5 and 2 mm I'd say and it definitely is possible to doubletap at that point but I guess it's more natural to bottom out with these when doubletapping at least for me. I can record a video I guess if I feel like it although my desk is so dirty it's kind of an insult to this keyboard

One thing to note is that this is super rock solid build that probably would last a nuclear explosion and the keys will never do anything you don't tell them to do. The keyboard is also fully ergonomic so it might feel a bit strange to begin with for playing SC2, I might take a picture of that too


ive already watched alot of review vids on it, judging from the sound it seems much closer to brown switchs then anything else, im rly picky when it comes to the feel of a keyboard so im scared to pay 400$ for something that id end up not liking : D

i think ill just play it safe and go with the filco tenkeyless w/ red switchs, between the filco and the leopold i should go with the filco right? i read that the filco has better stabilizers whereas the leopold has more durable caps(which i dont care about cus im gonna switch the keycaps w/ pbt caps)
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
cmh
Profile Joined December 2005
United States88 Posts
January 24 2012 21:08 GMT
#1612
On January 25 2012 05:56 mTwTT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 05:38 Shikyo wrote:
On January 25 2012 04:34 mTwTT1 wrote:
On January 25 2012 04:07 Boblhead wrote:
On January 24 2012 18:43 mTwTT1 wrote:
the degenerate in me is leaning towards the topre, i just HAVE to game on it
fuckfuck too bad i didnt get it while it was on sale

just find a used one although still expensive you could probably get it cheap enough to justify it. But ya, one day ill have the topre and it will be glorious. Are you wanting a hhkb or a full sized realforce?


if i find a used one ill take w/e i can get(if its in good condition obviously), if i end up ordering a new one ill get the hhkb vers, i hate full sized boards

btw shikyo how do the keys feel whenever you try double tapping them? do they bottom out?

edit: http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard_details.asp?PRODUCT=931 what do they mean by japanese?

Depends on the force you use, they bottom out pretty easily though. These keys acuate super early, it's somewhere in between 1.5 and 2 mm I'd say and it definitely is possible to doubletap at that point but I guess it's more natural to bottom out with these when doubletapping at least for me. I can record a video I guess if I feel like it although my desk is so dirty it's kind of an insult to this keyboard

One thing to note is that this is super rock solid build that probably would last a nuclear explosion and the keys will never do anything you don't tell them to do. The keyboard is also fully ergonomic so it might feel a bit strange to begin with for playing SC2, I might take a picture of that too


ive already watched alot of review vids on it, judging from the sound it seems much closer to brown switchs then anything else, im rly picky when it comes to the feel of a keyboard so im scared to pay 400$ for something that id end up not liking : D

i think ill just play it safe and go with the filco tenkeyless w/ red switchs, between the filco and the leopold i should go with the filco right? i read that the filco has better stabilizers whereas the leopold has more durable caps(which i dont care about cus im gonna switch the keycaps w/ pbt caps)


Definitely get the Filco! I own four myself and a couple other mechanical keyboards and the Filco has the best build quality of them all. The resale value on Filco red switch keyboards are very high being that they are rare, especially for the tenkeyless version which you can resell for around another $250-300. The stablizers are better also (although this is personal prefrence) but the cherry stablizers feel more mushy to me, like rubber domes.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 24 2012 21:09 GMT
#1613
Oh by the way you can't replace topres keycaps so that's out of question then <_< And yeah it's probably closest to browns but the difference is still quite huge

400$ o.O I guess I'm lucky it only was 169 euros here..
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
January 24 2012 21:12 GMT
#1614
On January 25 2012 06:09 Shikyo wrote:
Oh by the way you can't replace topres keycaps so that's out of question then <_< And yeah it's probably closest to browns but the difference is still quite huge

400$ o.O I guess I'm lucky it only was 169 euros here..


yea i was talking the filco/leopold keys, and topre's cost 345$ on ek.com + a 30-40$ish shipping fee
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
January 25 2012 01:57 GMT
#1615
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?26519-Realforce-86u-87u-or-filco-majestouch-tenkeyless-w-red-switchs
muhahaha *crosses fingers*
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
slytown
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)1411 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 02:05:12
January 25 2012 02:03 GMT
#1616
On January 24 2012 23:28 velocitygirl wrote:
I posted a review of the Corsair K90 mentioned in the OP in another thread in the forum. Hope it's OK to mention that here


Of course it's OK. I will post your review in the OP.

On January 25 2012 04:07 Boblhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2012 18:43 mTwTT1 wrote:
the degenerate in me is leaning towards the topre, i just HAVE to game on it
fuckfuck too bad i didnt get it while it was on sale

just find a used one although still expensive you could probably get it cheap enough to justify it. But ya, one day ill have the topre and it will be glorious. Are you wanting a hhkb or a full sized realforce?


When you get one u have to buy me one as well. I'm unemployed sir.
The best Flash meme ever: http://imgur.com/zquoK
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 03:17:58
January 25 2012 02:54 GMT
#1617
got a pm:

"I've got a white Realforce 86u with red esc and lavender wasd in pretty much perfect condition. I was looking for $185 + shipping. I live in Canada too (Montreal, Quebec) so shipping costs should be much better than from someone in the US.

http://imgur.com/a/yrDjT "

sounds like a good deal, should i go for it?

edit: its the white/gray version tho tt, wanted the black one
also are the 86u's 45g or 55g?
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
slytown
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)1411 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 03:10:19
January 25 2012 03:05 GMT
#1618
On January 25 2012 11:54 mTwTT1 wrote:
got a pm:

"I've got a white Realforce 86u with red esc and lavender wasd in pretty much perfect condition. I was looking for $185 + shipping. I live in Canada too (Montreal, Quebec) so shipping costs should be much better than from someone in the US.

http://imgur.com/a/yrDjT"

sounds like a good deal, should i go for it?

edit: its the white/gray version tho tt, wanted the black one
also are the 86u's 45g or 55g?



Ask him. Also also ask him for a photo that works. $185 is a fantastic deal though.

Anyway, the 86U could be either the mult-actuation force or the uniform-actuation force version (55g or 45g).

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:4603

"...55g for the Esc key, 30g for keys commonly hit by the pinkies and 45g for the rest..."
The best Flash meme ever: http://imgur.com/zquoK
Jophess
Profile Joined August 2010
United States95 Posts
January 25 2012 03:05 GMT
#1619
On January 25 2012 11:54 mTwTT1 wrote:
also are the 86u's 45g or 55g?


I believe Realforce 86u's have variably weighted switches. Some switches are 35g (I think 30g on the 86u), 45g, or 55g, depending on where they're located on the board.

[image loading]
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10012 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 04:13:27
January 25 2012 03:19 GMT
#1620
On January 25 2012 12:05 slytown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2012 11:54 mTwTT1 wrote:
got a pm:

"I've got a white Realforce 86u with red esc and lavender wasd in pretty much perfect condition. I was looking for $185 + shipping. I live in Canada too (Montreal, Quebec) so shipping costs should be much better than from someone in the US.

http://imgur.com/a/yrDjT"

sounds like a good deal, should i go for it?

edit: its the white/gray version tho tt, wanted the black one
also are the 86u's 45g or 55g?



Ask him. Also also ask him for a photo that works. $185 is a fantastic deal though.

Anyway, the 86U could be either the mult-actuation force or the uniform-actuation force version (55g or 45g).

http://geekhack.org/showwiki.php?title=Island:4603

"...55g for the Esc key, 30g for keys commonly hit by the pinkies and 45g for the rest..."


i linked a pic on that post but the " got into the link
http://imgur.com/a/yrDjT

edit: a fuck its the mult-actuation version -_-, should i still go for it? i would have preferred buying the uniform actuation force vers

edit2: meh i went ahead and bought the board, we live in the same city so im saving on shipping costs aswell, he was nice enought to offer me a 2day test trial of the board before having to pay him, the only reason i took him up on his offer was to avoid being stabbed + robbed plus i wanted to see if the keyboard actually works : D
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