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On July 18 2013 01:55 Tivan wrote:
Hey,
Do you think a good keyboard is important and is the diffrence between a Ducky Shin2 and a Razer BlackWiddow Ultimate 2013 important too?Or the diffrence between Rubberdome and Mechanicle Keyboard?I often hear that your stuff isn´t important but why do the Pro´s use them?
This, along with a lot of other keyboard related discussions can be found at GeekHack.org, or European based deskthority.net
http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=44713.90
Personally, I haven't used a 2013 Razer BWU. But I do have the last years model and manufacture control isn't nearly as high as say Filco or Leopold. For the price of the BWU you can get the Ducky with much better stabilizers (cherry type, under the large keys) for one thing. As well as the keycaps being much higher quality on the Ducky. The Razer BWU also has annoying macro keys, I would go for the Tournament, if it was my ONLY option.
Rubberdome vs mechanical... really comes down to sponsor, preference, product longevity, and performance. In that order I would say for Pros. First they will use what their sponsors have available, then their switch preference, & lastly of course performance; cherry mx are rated for 50 million keypresses (rubberdome something like 10-20 mil), mechanicals can be repaired, and NKRO can be important. More so if you FPS, but the ability to have 6 simultaneous keys being pressed over usb, or UNLIMITED key-registration over PS2 is definitely a performance plus in many situations. Not so much in sc2.
Quite frankly pros use what they are used to, or are PAID to use.
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Northern Ireland461 Posts
On July 18 2013 01:55 Tivan wrote:
Hey,
Do you think a good keyboard is important and is the diffrence between a Ducky Shin2 and a Razer BlackWiddow Ultimate 2013 important too?Or the diffrence between Rubberdome and Mechanicle Keyboard?I often hear that your stuff isn´t important but why do the Pro´s use them?
Ducky is miles ahead quality wise, Pro's use Razer products because they are sponsored by them.
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Hm but why make Razer such shity Keyboard and have still sell the most keyboards? Is it only marketing or why havn´t better Keyboards Like Ducky that fame?
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But before Master-Diamond Keyboards aren´t important i think... do you think so too?
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I remember not so long ago Stephano played in WCS or some sort of tournament qualifier on a laptop with low profile rubber dome keyboard. Obviously he isnt used to such keyboard type and that affected his performance but it shows that playing on the highest level with cheap keyboards is possible.
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On July 18 2013 06:21 inkfected wrote:
I remember not so long ago Stephano played in WCS or some sort of tournament qualifier on a laptop with low profile rubber dome keyboard. Obviously he isnt used to such keyboard type and that affected his performance but it shows that playing on the highest level with cheap keyboards is possible.
dt35 are amazing keyboards that are rubberdome. I myself have one, but rarely ever use it.
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On July 18 2013 06:13 Tivan wrote:
But before Master-Diamond Keyboards aren´t important i think... do you think so too?
Having mechanical keyboard obviously helps. Like compare a basketball player wearing Jordan-brand shoes and another basketball player wearing slippers. The one of the shoes obviously has the upper hand.
But it doesn't affect skill. So no, buying a mechanical keyboard is not a ticket to master-diamond
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On July 18 2013 06:32 skylarr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 06:13 Tivan wrote:
But before Master-Diamond Keyboards aren´t important i think... do you think so too? Having mechanical keyboard obviously helps. Like compare a basketball player wearing Jordan-brand shoes and another basketball player wearing slippers. The one of the shoes obviously has the upper hand. But it doesn't affect skill. So no, buying a mechanical keyboard is not a ticket to master-diamond
Hm i am already High Diamond and then startet to look for my Stuff, i got atm the Razer Black WIddow Ultimate 2013 and after 2-3 games my hands hurt beacause i spam many apm and also wanne to play fast as possible ^^ with another keyboard like the steelseries 6g it doesnt happen so i bought a ducky keyboard it should arrive soon and now i am exited :D
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On July 18 2013 05:21 Tivan wrote:
Hm but why make Razer such shity Keyboard and have still sell the most keyboards? Is it only marketing or why havn´t better Keyboards Like Ducky that fame?
Marketing hands down. No question about it. There are a lot of similar instances of this situation in other businesses as well.
On July 18 2013 06:13 Tivan wrote:
But before Master-Diamond Keyboards aren´t important i think... do you think so too?
I hate it when people correlate mechanical keyboards with more skill. It is simply not so. A gamer just has to be comfortable with the peripheral he/she owns in order to play well. It's like that old belief that more APM equals more skill. That's not entirely true either.
On July 18 2013 06:55 Tivan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 06:32 skylarr wrote:On July 18 2013 06:13 Tivan wrote:
But before Master-Diamond Keyboards aren´t important i think... do you think so too? Having mechanical keyboard obviously helps. Like compare a basketball player wearing Jordan-brand shoes and another basketball player wearing slippers. The one of the shoes obviously has the upper hand. But it doesn't affect skill. So no, buying a mechanical keyboard is not a ticket to master-diamond Hm i am already High Diamond and then startet to look for my Stuff, i got atm the Razer Black WIddow Ultimate 2013 and after 2-3 games my hands hurt beacause i spam many apm and also wanne to play fast as possible ^^ with another keyboard like the steelseries 6g it doesnt happen so i bought a ducky keyboard it should arrive soon and now i am exited :D
It's fine spamming APM, but don't do it to the point where your hands are hurting after a few games. I'm serious about this..don't make it a health issue. Remember this: EPM>APM. I average around 180~200 APM each game but my EPM is generally around 100~110. I've been beaten by players who've had 70~80 APM. As long as your spending your actions efficiently, there is little use to hurt your hands over a duration of a few games by spamming your keys for no reason.
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Northern Ireland461 Posts
Just in the off-chance, if anyone has bought/owns/will buy a Leopold FC700R, I would be interested in purchasing it, PM if you want to discuss anything.
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On July 18 2013 02:34 Lu_e wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 01:55 Tivan wrote:
Hey,
Do you think a good keyboard is important and is the diffrence between a Ducky Shin2 and a Razer BlackWiddow Ultimate 2013 important too?Or the diffrence between Rubberdome and Mechanicle Keyboard?I often hear that your stuff isn´t important but why do the Pro´s use them? For the price of the BWU you can get the Ducky with much better stabilizers (cherry type, under the large keys) for one thing.
No, just no. Have you actually tried cherry stabilizers? They are terrible and ruin the feeling of the switch type. It's common knowledge that costar stabilizers are better then cherry ones.
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On July 18 2013 11:45 PhoenixLight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 02:34 Lu_e wrote:On July 18 2013 01:55 Tivan wrote:
Hey,
Do you think a good keyboard is important and is the diffrence between a Ducky Shin2 and a Razer BlackWiddow Ultimate 2013 important too?Or the diffrence between Rubberdome and Mechanicle Keyboard?I often hear that your stuff isn´t important but why do the Pro´s use them? For the price of the BWU you can get the Ducky with much better stabilizers (cherry type, under the large keys) for one thing. No, just no. Have you actually tried cherry stabilizers? They are terrible and ruin the feeling of the switch type. It's common knowledge that costar stabilizers are better then cherry ones.
....and? costar stabilizers rattle way too much. take your pick; costar and have to mech-lube them, or modify the cherry's to feel more solid. A matter of preference, & either is possible. Cherry by design are much easier to change keycaps as well.
also for the record I was only trying to say; anything is better than Razer's thinner-than-paperclips stabilizers O_o
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On July 18 2013 12:42 Lu_e wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 11:45 PhoenixLight wrote:On July 18 2013 02:34 Lu_e wrote:On July 18 2013 01:55 Tivan wrote:
Hey,
Do you think a good keyboard is important and is the diffrence between a Ducky Shin2 and a Razer BlackWiddow Ultimate 2013 important too?Or the diffrence between Rubberdome and Mechanicle Keyboard?I often hear that your stuff isn´t important but why do the Pro´s use them? For the price of the BWU you can get the Ducky with much better stabilizers (cherry type, under the large keys) for one thing. No, just no. Have you actually tried cherry stabilizers? They are terrible and ruin the feeling of the switch type. It's common knowledge that costar stabilizers are better then cherry ones. ....and? costar stabilizers rattle way too much. take your pick; costar and have to mech-lube them, or modify the cherry's to feel more solid. A matter of preference, & either is possible. Cherry by design are much easier to change keycaps as well. also for the record I was only trying to say; anything is better than Razer's thinner-than-paperclips stabilizers O_o
I have a 2 year bw, and needing to lube them is the last the problems I see with the keyboard. It should not be a deciding factor. All those things you mentioned are so small compared to the fact that the switch no longer feels like it's supposed to. It's freaking annoying, I sold my poker 2 thinking I could get used to how cherry stabilizers felt. (Hopefully the ducky mini will have costar stabilizers.) I couldn't. Sure it's preference, if you like your bigger keys feeling distinctly different from the others. After all, Isn't the most important part of a mechanical keyboard how it feels?
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i dont know how u guys could argue bout stuff that is just relative...cuz it comes down to _personal preference_...its not measurable...either u like cherry or costar.. but giving absolute statements is just dumb -_-
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On July 18 2013 19:14 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
i dont know how u guys could argue bout stuff that is just relative...cuz it comes down to _personal preference_...its not measurable...either u like cherry or costar.. but giving absolute statements is just dumb -_-
Like how people say mechanical keyboards are always better than rubber domes? Pretty hypocritical if you ask me.
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Hm all have their own i guess.I think that Ducky is atm the best Mechanicle Keyboard but maybe another think that razer bwu or filco is better  the same with switches!
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I assume that grabbing one of the 104-key sets from WASD would most likely fit a Das keyboard fine? While I like the blank black look, probably looking to throw all white keys in there for now before I start manually modifying future mech boards that I'm interested in trying.
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I´ve ordered a Ducky Shine 2 at teraset.net and i am very happy about it.
I also orderd a blanc PBT 104 ISO keycap in black and soo i have a red blank ducky keyboard *.* before i saw this set i went on waskeyboard and aksked my self the same question and as you can see (http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/keycap-compatibility) they support also Das Keyboard Model S/Professional
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On July 19 2013 02:41 PhoenixLight wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 19:14 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
i dont know how u guys could argue bout stuff that is just relative...cuz it comes down to _personal preference_...its not measurable...either u like cherry or costar.. but giving absolute statements is just dumb -_- Like how people say mechanical keyboards are always better than rubber domes? Pretty hypocritical if you ask me.
What? People say mechanicals are better than rubber domes because they are, in a measurable and objective way.
Mechanical keyswitches are rated for longer operation than rubber domes: Fact. Rubber domes tend to wear down and feel increasingly mushy along their lifespan, something that doesn't happens with mechanicals: Fact. Mechanical keyboards are, overall, of a higher quality in terms of construction, which is offset by a higher price: Also a fact.
There is nothing about this that is down to personal opinion. The difference between cherry and costar stabilizers however, is completely based on just that.
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On July 18 2013 06:32 skylarr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2013 06:13 Tivan wrote:
But before Master-Diamond Keyboards aren´t important i think... do you think so too? Having mechanical keyboard obviously helps. Like compare a basketball player wearing Jordan-brand shoes and another basketball player wearing slippers. The one of the shoes obviously has the upper hand. But it doesn't affect skill. So no, buying a mechanical keyboard is not a ticket to master-diamond
Slippers vs Jordan shoes. Rofl. What an ingenious analogy.
Seriously. The numbers do not show that a mechanical is a very big contributor. The difference is minor.
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