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Sovano
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1503 Posts
March 27 2013 01:43 GMT
#5341
On March 27 2013 06:04 RoranRock wrote:
is the ducky shine II the best back lit keyboard ?

Biased answer: yes. Objectively: still yes.
WonDeRSC
Profile Joined June 2011
United States234 Posts
March 27 2013 05:39 GMT
#5342
Accidently spilled a drink on my mech keyboard >.<
Hopefully it recovers... I didn't read any guides about repairing it beforehand, so I plugged it into my computer. The capslock key and the number lock key both light for a second, before going away. The keyboard is unresponsive. I placed it in a bag of cat litter about 3 hours later.
I'll take it out in the morning and see if it still works :s
Entenmann
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany7 Posts
March 27 2013 07:15 GMT
#5343
got a "raptor gaming k1" yesterday. it was my first mechanical "pro"-keyboard, and what should I say. using flat keyboards all the last 5 years, I just don't like it. tried it for an hour or so and started to feel my sinews itching already. And I wasn't faster or more confident or anything. actually, quite the contrary was true.
I will send it back today, leaving with the thought that you really have to believe in this mechanical-keyboard-thing to improve with it.
we will stop enhancing the truth in 3, 2, ....
TwilightRain
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany351 Posts
March 27 2013 08:17 GMT
#5344
On March 27 2013 16:15 Entenmann wrote:
got a "raptor gaming k1" yesterday. it was my first mechanical "pro"-keyboard, and what should I say. using flat keyboards all the last 5 years, I just don't like it. tried it for an hour or so and started to feel my sinews itching already. And I wasn't faster or more confident or anything. actually, quite the contrary was true.
I will send it back today, leaving with the thought that you really have to believe in this mechanical-keyboard-thing to improve with it.

You won't get used to a mech keabord in a matter of a couple of hours. Especially not when it has MX Black switches, the stiffest ones out there, most people dislike them for that matter. Also, that keyboard is just a rebranded Cherry, which is nowadays probably the cheapest and worst mech keyboard in terms of quality. You can see it on a shelf in every MediaMarkt and Saturn shop. Which leads me to believe that you just do not know a lot about keyboards and switches, else you probably would not have bought one with black switches as your first, and that one in particular.

In the future, do your research and take your time to decide on matters of tech. Also, jumping to conclusions based on very little experience is not "a very useful talent toi have".
FakePseudo
Profile Joined January 2012
Belgium716 Posts
March 27 2013 08:17 GMT
#5345
On March 27 2013 14:39 iiAreJordan wrote:
Accidently spilled a drink on my mech keyboard >.<
Hopefully it recovers... I didn't read any guides about repairing it beforehand, so I plugged it into my computer. The capslock key and the number lock key both light for a second, before going away. The keyboard is unresponsive. I placed it in a bag of cat litter about 3 hours later.
I'll take it out in the morning and see if it still works :s


That's the most stupid thing you could have done unfortunately. Water itself won't damage your keyboard over a short period of time (but corrosion will if you work in a constantly moist place, don't get me wrong). What will destroy your keyboard however is the short caused by the liquid you spilled on the keyboard. So the correct reaction is to plug it out immediately and to let it dry in an open place for as long as it takes (you can remove keycaps and other accessories to speed up the process). You shouldn't plug it back in if you're not 100% sure your keyboard is perfectly dry.

Now your board is most prolly dead, but I wouldn't take the risk of plugging it back in after such a short period of time anyway. Just leave it for 2-3days and hope.
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Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-27 09:58:11
March 27 2013 09:05 GMT
#5346
On March 27 2013 17:17 TwilightRain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 16:15 Entenmann wrote:
got a "raptor gaming k1" yesterday. it was my first mechanical "pro"-keyboard, and what should I say. using flat keyboards all the last 5 years, I just don't like it. tried it for an hour or so and started to feel my sinews itching already. And I wasn't faster or more confident or anything. actually, quite the contrary was true.
I will send it back today, leaving with the thought that you really have to believe in this mechanical-keyboard-thing to improve with it.

You won't get used to a mech keabord in a matter of a couple of hours. Especially not when it has MX Black switches, the stiffest ones out there, most people dislike them for that matter. Also, that keyboard is just a rebranded Cherry, which is nowadays probably the cheapest and worst mech keyboard in terms of quality. You can see it on a shelf in every MediaMarkt and Saturn shop. Which leads me to believe that you just do not know a lot about keyboards and switches, else you probably would not have bought one with black switches as your first, and that one in particular.

In the future, do your research and take your time to decide on matters of tech. Also, jumping to conclusions based on very little experience is not "a very useful talent toi have".


Hey, no need to be so aggressive man. You make good points, but if he doesn't like it then he doesn't like it, many people only like scissor switch boards.

So keep giving advice but stay cool about it, no need to pay people out.
Entenmann
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany7 Posts
March 27 2013 09:21 GMT
#5347
On March 27 2013 17:17 TwilightRain wrote:
You won't get used to a mech keabord in a matter of a couple of hours. Especially not when it has MX Black switches, the stiffest ones out there, most people dislike them for that matter. Also, that keyboard is just a rebranded Cherry, which is nowadays probably the cheapest and worst mech keyboard in terms of quality. You can see it on a shelf in every MediaMarkt and Saturn shop. Which leads me to believe that you just do not know a lot about keyboards and switches, else you probably would not have bought one with black switches as your first, and that one in particular.

In the future, do your research and take your time to decide on matters of tech. Also, jumping to conclusions based on very little experience is not "a very useful talent toi have".


I take your point but in fact I read dozens of reviews and asket in this thread for aid. The k1 was one of a very few keyboards with reduced width that had almost no negative voices on it.

So what would be your advice for a gamer willing to spend money for a good keyboard - but not for nice skins or led-illumination - who is used to work and game with flat keys?
we will stop enhancing the truth in 3, 2, ....
MistSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden583 Posts
March 27 2013 09:59 GMT
#5348
Just got a ZOWIE Celeritas and i highly recommend it! it is so sick and the spacebar isnt a big deal at all!
Maru, TY, Clem <3
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
March 27 2013 10:43 GMT
#5349
@Entenmann: There's nothing mechanical out there for you, I'm pretty sure. The Cherry ML switches could perhaps do what you want, but that's only theoretical. There are no keyboards with ML switch except for the Cherry G84 line which has smaller keys than normal. You could still take a look at those keyboards, perhaps you'll like them. There are people that are happy with them.

You should do research about scissor switch keyboards. That's the technology used in good laptop keyboards. There should be some kind of keyboard enthusiast scene about those, and some kind of reviews and discussion. I think I've heard only good things about the Cherry G86. Those are flat rubber domes, but are reportedly reliable regarding the feel of the keys. G86 should be what's inside the Cherry "CyMotion Expert" keyboards, but I don't know where else.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
mrgoochio
Profile Joined April 2009
United States557 Posts
March 27 2013 10:57 GMT
#5350
Can anyone list available bare bones keyboards? (keyboards that you can order without keycaps) or keyboards you can order that come with PBT keycaps already installed? The only one I know of is WASD (barebones).

I'd like to get a cherry mx brown board with PBT keycaps and so far I've come up with the option of getting a WASD barebones with PBT keycaps separately. Any other suggestions?
chengysogood
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
March 27 2013 11:04 GMT
#5351
On March 27 2013 19:57 mrgoochio wrote:
Can anyone list available bare bones keyboards? (keyboards that you can order without keycaps) or keyboards you can order that come with PBT keycaps already installed? The only one I know of is WASD (barebones).

I'd like to get a cherry mx brown board with PBT keycaps and so far I've come up with the option of getting a WASD barebones with PBT keycaps separately. Any other suggestions?


WASD is the only barebone I know of but there are some keyboards that come with PBT caps as standard.

There are some Duckys with PBT, Leopold fc700 and afaik all the topre switch keyboards have PBT.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
March 27 2013 11:23 GMT
#5352
There should be more keyboards with PBT from the Chinese brands, so those are maybe on qtan's ebay store. My white Keycool has PBT (but I personally feel there's something off about the lettering, so I don't want to recommend that one).
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
TwilightRain
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany351 Posts
March 27 2013 12:13 GMT
#5353
On March 27 2013 18:21 Entenmann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 17:17 TwilightRain wrote:
You won't get used to a mech keabord in a matter of a couple of hours. Especially not when it has MX Black switches, the stiffest ones out there, most people dislike them for that matter. Also, that keyboard is just a rebranded Cherry, which is nowadays probably the cheapest and worst mech keyboard in terms of quality. You can see it on a shelf in every MediaMarkt and Saturn shop. Which leads me to believe that you just do not know a lot about keyboards and switches, else you probably would not have bought one with black switches as your first, and that one in particular.

In the future, do your research and take your time to decide on matters of tech. Also, jumping to conclusions based on very little experience is not "a very useful talent toi have".


I take your point but in fact I read dozens of reviews and asket in this thread for aid. The k1 was one of a very few keyboards with reduced width that had almost no negative voices on it.

So what would be your advice for a gamer willing to spend money for a good keyboard - but not for nice skins or led-illumination - who is used to work and game with flat keys?


Pretty much what Ropid posted 4 posts above. Full-mechanical keyboards with flat keys are near non-existent.
Take a look at the Cherry G84 line with Cherry ML switches.
Cherry G84-5200 (otherwise known as XS Complete) is the only one with all the keys and a numpad: http://www.amazon.de/Cherry-Complete-Keyboard-Tastatur-Hellgrau/dp/B001NZWI2E/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1364385738&sr=8-7 .
If you don't care about the numpad, Cherry G84-4100 is basically the same keyboard, albeit tenkeyless:
http://www.amazon.de/Cherry-G84-4100LCMDE-2-Tastatur-USB-schwarz/dp/B000XGXV0C/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1364385839&sr=1-1.
You could also take a look at the Tt esports Knucker, but it's basically a rubberdome keyboard with a plunger switch on top of every rubber contact. Looks badass though
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
March 27 2013 13:50 GMT
#5354
It's here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823162020

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Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
brainox
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany292 Posts
March 27 2013 15:13 GMT
#5355
Just bought my second mechanical keyboard, the zowie celeritas. I had the Steelseries 6gv2 before. I like the mx brown much more than the black. Much easier to press, feels much better. I dont have the issue some people mentioned earlier with spacebar.
I have to get used to pressing the brown keys though...
mrgoochio
Profile Joined April 2009
United States557 Posts
March 27 2013 23:02 GMT
#5356
On March 27 2013 20:04 Blaec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 19:57 mrgoochio wrote:
Can anyone list available bare bones keyboards? (keyboards that you can order without keycaps) or keyboards you can order that come with PBT keycaps already installed? The only one I know of is WASD (barebones).

I'd like to get a cherry mx brown board with PBT keycaps and so far I've come up with the option of getting a WASD barebones with PBT keycaps separately. Any other suggestions?


WASD is the only barebone I know of but there are some keyboards that come with PBT caps as standard.

There are some Duckys with PBT, Leopold fc700 and afaik all the topre switch keyboards have PBT.


There should be more keyboards with PBT from the Chinese brands, so those are maybe on qtan's ebay store. My white Keycool has PBT (but I personally feel there's something off about the lettering, so I don't want to recommend that one).


I emailed qtan days ago but never got a response back.. probably shoulda just asked on tl or geekhack but I was wondering if the PBT caps he sells will fit a WASD keyboard without fitment issues? I figured I'd try to save some money by getting the barebones and getting this PBT set instead of getting a keyboard and have extra ABS keys after swapping to PBTs.

barebones keyboard (cherry mx browns)
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-v1-barebones-mechanical-keyboard.html

PBT keycaps
http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/item/pbt-key-caps/104-pbt-white-side-printed-key/lid=19686618

What do you all think of this setup?
chengysogood
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 05:58:52
March 28 2013 05:58 GMT
#5357
On March 28 2013 08:02 mrgoochio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2013 20:04 Blaec wrote:
On March 27 2013 19:57 mrgoochio wrote:
Can anyone list available bare bones keyboards? (keyboards that you can order without keycaps) or keyboards you can order that come with PBT keycaps already installed? The only one I know of is WASD (barebones).

I'd like to get a cherry mx brown board with PBT keycaps and so far I've come up with the option of getting a WASD barebones with PBT keycaps separately. Any other suggestions?


WASD is the only barebone I know of but there are some keyboards that come with PBT caps as standard.

There are some Duckys with PBT, Leopold fc700 and afaik all the topre switch keyboards have PBT.


Show nested quote +
There should be more keyboards with PBT from the Chinese brands, so those are maybe on qtan's ebay store. My white Keycool has PBT (but I personally feel there's something off about the lettering, so I don't want to recommend that one).


I emailed qtan days ago but never got a response back.. probably shoulda just asked on tl or geekhack but I was wondering if the PBT caps he sells will fit a WASD keyboard without fitment issues? I figured I'd try to save some money by getting the barebones and getting this PBT set instead of getting a keyboard and have extra ABS keys after swapping to PBTs.

barebones keyboard (cherry mx browns)
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-v1-barebones-mechanical-keyboard.html

PBT keycaps
http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/item/pbt-key-caps/104-pbt-white-side-printed-key/lid=19686618

What do you all think of this setup?


Those caps will fit fine. If it fits a filco it will definitely fit a WASD.

Pretty good price if you really want PBT caps depending on how much the shipping sets you back.
mrgoochio
Profile Joined April 2009
United States557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-28 06:15:53
March 28 2013 06:15 GMT
#5358
On March 28 2013 14:58 Blaec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 08:02 mrgoochio wrote:
On March 27 2013 20:04 Blaec wrote:
On March 27 2013 19:57 mrgoochio wrote:
Can anyone list available bare bones keyboards? (keyboards that you can order without keycaps) or keyboards you can order that come with PBT keycaps already installed? The only one I know of is WASD (barebones).

I'd like to get a cherry mx brown board with PBT keycaps and so far I've come up with the option of getting a WASD barebones with PBT keycaps separately. Any other suggestions?


WASD is the only barebone I know of but there are some keyboards that come with PBT caps as standard.

There are some Duckys with PBT, Leopold fc700 and afaik all the topre switch keyboards have PBT.


There should be more keyboards with PBT from the Chinese brands, so those are maybe on qtan's ebay store. My white Keycool has PBT (but I personally feel there's something off about the lettering, so I don't want to recommend that one).


I emailed qtan days ago but never got a response back.. probably shoulda just asked on tl or geekhack but I was wondering if the PBT caps he sells will fit a WASD keyboard without fitment issues? I figured I'd try to save some money by getting the barebones and getting this PBT set instead of getting a keyboard and have extra ABS keys after swapping to PBTs.

barebones keyboard (cherry mx browns)
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-v1-barebones-mechanical-keyboard.html

PBT keycaps
http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/item/pbt-key-caps/104-pbt-white-side-printed-key/lid=19686618

What do you all think of this setup?


Those caps will fit fine. If it fits a filco it will definitely fit a WASD.

Pretty good price if you really want PBT caps depending on how much the shipping sets you back.


$6 for standard shipping, probably going to take a while to ship from china but I rather not spend like $16 on shipping for keycaps lol. It should be $50 for the caps and standard shipping. Do you know where I can get PBT caps elsewhere? These are from qtan (thats his website, hes also an ebay vendor).
chengysogood
Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
March 28 2013 07:19 GMT
#5359
On March 28 2013 15:15 mrgoochio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 14:58 Blaec wrote:
On March 28 2013 08:02 mrgoochio wrote:
On March 27 2013 20:04 Blaec wrote:
On March 27 2013 19:57 mrgoochio wrote:
Can anyone list available bare bones keyboards? (keyboards that you can order without keycaps) or keyboards you can order that come with PBT keycaps already installed? The only one I know of is WASD (barebones).

I'd like to get a cherry mx brown board with PBT keycaps and so far I've come up with the option of getting a WASD barebones with PBT keycaps separately. Any other suggestions?


WASD is the only barebone I know of but there are some keyboards that come with PBT caps as standard.

There are some Duckys with PBT, Leopold fc700 and afaik all the topre switch keyboards have PBT.


There should be more keyboards with PBT from the Chinese brands, so those are maybe on qtan's ebay store. My white Keycool has PBT (but I personally feel there's something off about the lettering, so I don't want to recommend that one).


I emailed qtan days ago but never got a response back.. probably shoulda just asked on tl or geekhack but I was wondering if the PBT caps he sells will fit a WASD keyboard without fitment issues? I figured I'd try to save some money by getting the barebones and getting this PBT set instead of getting a keyboard and have extra ABS keys after swapping to PBTs.

barebones keyboard (cherry mx browns)
http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/index.php/wasd-v1-barebones-mechanical-keyboard.html

PBT keycaps
http://www.vendio.com/stores/E-sports-Gaming-equipments/item/pbt-key-caps/104-pbt-white-side-printed-key/lid=19686618

What do you all think of this setup?


Those caps will fit fine. If it fits a filco it will definitely fit a WASD.

Pretty good price if you really want PBT caps depending on how much the shipping sets you back.


$6 for standard shipping, probably going to take a while to ship from china but I rather not spend like $16 on shipping for keycaps lol. It should be $50 for the caps and standard shipping. Do you know where I can get PBT caps elsewhere? These are from qtan (thats his website, hes also an ebay vendor).


No others I know of, looks like a good deal.
ZappaSC
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark215 Posts
March 28 2013 14:28 GMT
#5360
I just bought the zowie celeritas and have some problems. The spacebar is really really.. hard to press, and dosent react as it should i assume.
its like it does not really fit the board, and dosent have a click to it, like the rest of the keys.
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