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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 01:05:11
February 28 2012 01:04 GMT
#19021
I understood what you meant, just was wondering what the term meant :D
Just to clarify, what you mean is:

When you change from, for example, 4.8 ghz to 5.0 ghz, then there may actually be a DECREASE in performance?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
February 28 2012 01:07 GMT
#19022
No. He complicated diminishing returns. Going from 4.8GHz to 5GHz will be an increase in performance but the diminishing return is greater than it was from 3.4GHz to 3.6GHz.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
February 28 2012 01:08 GMT
#19023
No, he just means that performance doesn't scale linearly with clock speed. There's a lot of times the CPU will be waiting on memory, or disk access, or the GPU, or whatever. The higher you overclock, even if it's by multiplier, the more benefit there is from having higher-speed RAM, for example (even though beyond 1600 MHz is still a bad deal).
Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 01:12:49
February 28 2012 01:12 GMT
#19024
Ah ok, sounds good.

Sorry to be asking so many questions and such. But i'm currently running my 7950 at stock settings and very satisfied with it, idol temps are ~48. Any point in overclocking? I saw some reviews somewhere where there was about a 10 frame difference between a non overclocked 7950 and a stock one.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 01:15:49
February 28 2012 01:14 GMT
#19025
On February 28 2012 10:07 skyR wrote:
No. He complicated diminishing returns. Going from 4.8GHz to 5GHz will be an increase in performance but the diminishing return is greater than it was from 3.4GHz to 3.6GHz.


*Slaps forehead* Thank you. Jesus that was too hard.


On February 28 2012 10:12 Josh_rakoons wrote:
Ah ok, sounds good.

Sorry to be asking so many questions and such. But i'm currently running my 7950 at stock settings and very satisfied with it, idol temps are ~48. Any point in overclocking? I saw some reviews somewhere where there was about a 10 frame difference between a non overclocked 7950 and a stock one.


Yeah do it. Go for it. Supposedly they are good at overclocking.
twitch.tv/medrea
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 01:18:10
February 28 2012 01:17 GMT
#19026
On February 28 2012 10:14 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 10:07 skyR wrote:
No. He complicated diminishing returns. Going from 4.8GHz to 5GHz will be an increase in performance but the diminishing return is greater than it was from 3.4GHz to 3.6GHz.


*Slaps forehead* Thank you. Jesus that was too hard.


Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 10:12 Josh_rakoons wrote:
Ah ok, sounds good.

Sorry to be asking so many questions and such. But i'm currently running my 7950 at stock settings and very satisfied with it, idol temps are ~48. Any point in overclocking? I saw some reviews somewhere where there was about a 10 frame difference between a non overclocked 7950 and a stock one.


Yeah do it. Go for it. Supposedly they are good at overclocking.


Hey! I said it first! XD (Not that I was better or much quicker or anything of course. )
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Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 01:51:20
February 28 2012 01:17 GMT
#19027
Eghhh, really....? I was expecting a "DEFINITELY NOT, DON'T DO ANYTHING NOOB" kind of reaction.. Ok... :D

Edit** Holy wow, you weren't joking, just cranked it up to core clock 950 MHz and memory clock 1400MHz and max temp was 65C. Crazy..
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
February 28 2012 01:37 GMT
#19028
No, overclocking, done right, in an informed way, is a good thing. Much better than buying something you have no use for or whatnot. Your results will vary from game to game, due to different hardware stuff and driver stuff and different stuff stuff, but there's nothing wrong with it if you don't go about it like an idiot.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 02:06:29
February 28 2012 02:00 GMT
#19029
As long as you stay away from adjusting the voltage you can't really break it.

In all of my video cards that ive overclocked. I intentionally overclock them until they break and then I back off a bit.

65C means you still have plenty of room. I would say keep going. My objective for every GPU is to overclock it until it hits 78C and crashes. Usually 78C comes first but some MSI Twin Frozr models will give up before hitting 78C.

I presume some 7950 will be similar.
twitch.tv/medrea
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
February 28 2012 02:06 GMT
#19030
On February 28 2012 11:00 Medrea wrote:
As long as you stay away from adjusting the voltage you can't really break it.

In all of my video cards that ive overclocked. I intentionally overclock them until they break and then I back off a bit.

65C means you still have plenty of room. I would say keep going. My objective for every GPU is to overclock it until it hits 78C and crashes. Usually 78C comes first but some MSI Twin Frozr models will give up before hitting 78C.


The advantage of being an EVGA fan. I'll crush them to 85C under stress and laugh at them. Best case scenario, it melts and they don't have any of my model available for the lifetime warranty, and they send me something better.

Actually, I avoid this like the plague unless I'm looking for a specific result, but the knowledge that I could is still satisfying.

(Note: this is NOT an endorsement of bad overclocking habits, or any guarantee that you'll break a GPU without causing physical damage that DOES void the lifetime warranty. Also be sure your product HAS a lifetime warranty, as they do offer shorter ones. And NEVER take warranty related advice from someone on the internet.)
Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
February 28 2012 02:18 GMT
#19031
Ok, just tried to max out the overclock, got to 84 and i quit out. Turned it down a bit and will run another test when its back to stable.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 02:24:24
February 28 2012 02:23 GMT
#19032
On February 28 2012 11:18 Josh_rakoons wrote:
Ok, just tried to max out the overclock, got to 84 and i quit out. Turned it down a bit and will run another test when its back to stable.


Back cooled down, I assume you mean. Stability refers to freezes, driver crashes, artifacting, or other issues. Just being warm enough to make you nervous on it's own doesn't merit calling it unstable.

Keeping your terminology in order makes it much easier if you need help or whatnot.

Best way to do it is incrementally, starting off with 15-20 Mhz, 5 minute tests. Once you get to 20% over stock, drop to 5-10Mhz increments. Once you start approaching your max comfortable temp at the 5 minute mark, test for 10 instead, once you're happy with your temp, stress test for a minimum of 6 hours to see if it's stable.

Mind you, that's the simple version. That's not how you do it if you're going high or extreme OCs. But you need to do a lot of card specific research to do that, and it's much more in-depth, less forgiving, and complicated.
Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 02:25:44
February 28 2012 02:25 GMT
#19033
On February 28 2012 11:23 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 11:18 Josh_rakoons wrote:
Ok, just tried to max out the overclock, got to 84 and i quit out. Turned it down a bit and will run another test when its back to stable.


Back cooled down, I assume you mean. Stability refers to freezes, driver crashes, artifacting, or other issues. Just being warm enough to make you nervous on it's own doesn't merit calling it unstable.

Keeping your terminology in order makes it much easier if you need help or whatnot.

Best way to do it is incrementally, starting off with 15-20 Mhz, 5 minute tests. Once you get to 20% over stock, drop to 5-10Mhz increments. Once you start approaching your max comfortable temp at the 5 minute mark, test for 10 instead, once you're happy with your temp, stress test for a minimum of 6 hours to see if it's stable.

Yeah, sorry.

That sounds like a very long, dull, arduous process. I've just been running 15 minute tests in both of the situations.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
February 28 2012 02:26 GMT
#19034
On February 28 2012 11:25 Josh_rakoons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 11:23 JingleHell wrote:
On February 28 2012 11:18 Josh_rakoons wrote:
Ok, just tried to max out the overclock, got to 84 and i quit out. Turned it down a bit and will run another test when its back to stable.


Back cooled down, I assume you mean. Stability refers to freezes, driver crashes, artifacting, or other issues. Just being warm enough to make you nervous on it's own doesn't merit calling it unstable.

Keeping your terminology in order makes it much easier if you need help or whatnot.

Best way to do it is incrementally, starting off with 15-20 Mhz, 5 minute tests. Once you get to 20% over stock, drop to 5-10Mhz increments. Once you start approaching your max comfortable temp at the 5 minute mark, test for 10 instead, once you're happy with your temp, stress test for a minimum of 6 hours to see if it's stable.

Yeah, sorry.

That sounds like a very long, dull, arduous process. I've been running 15 minute tests in both of the situations.


Excitement is BAD when aiming for moderate OCs, unless you enjoy the process like I do. Dull is GOOD.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 02:30:55
February 28 2012 02:30 GMT
#19035
It usually takes me like a month of playing around to find the sweet spot of a GPU since I usually just increase everything by 5 whenever I get up in the morning.

Not doing it all at once is key.
twitch.tv/medrea
Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
February 28 2012 02:48 GMT
#19036
What program would you recommend is best for overclocking? I'm using MSI afterburner, i was under the impression it was personal preference but i only have 2 options to increase/ decrease.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 02:51:12
February 28 2012 02:50 GMT
#19037
On February 28 2012 11:48 Josh_rakoons wrote:
What program would you recommend is best for overclocking? I'm using MSI afterburner, i was under the impression it was personal preference but i only have 2 options to increase/ decrease.


There's more options, but you should be leaving them locked if you're already bored. Afterburner is good. Actually, until recently, it was better than Precision, which is now playing catch up. And anything else would be excessive or worse.
Josh_rakoons
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom1158 Posts
February 28 2012 02:52 GMT
#19038
On February 28 2012 11:50 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 11:48 Josh_rakoons wrote:
What program would you recommend is best for overclocking? I'm using MSI afterburner, i was under the impression it was personal preference but i only have 2 options to increase/ decrease.


There's more options, but you should be leaving them locked if you're already bored. Afterburner is good. Actually, until recently, it was better than Precision, which is now playing catch up. And anything else would be excessive or worse.

I'm not already bored, Medrea mentioned increasing all the options by 5mhz, so i assumed by "all" he meant more than 2.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 02:57:26
February 28 2012 02:56 GMT
#19039
On February 28 2012 11:52 Josh_rakoons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 11:50 JingleHell wrote:
On February 28 2012 11:48 Josh_rakoons wrote:
What program would you recommend is best for overclocking? I'm using MSI afterburner, i was under the impression it was personal preference but i only have 2 options to increase/ decrease.


There's more options, but you should be leaving them locked if you're already bored. Afterburner is good. Actually, until recently, it was better than Precision, which is now playing catch up. And anything else would be excessive or worse.

I'm not already bored, Medrea mentioned increasing all the options by 5mhz, so i assumed by "all" he meant more than 2.


He's also a miner, he could have been referencing increasing a dozen or two cards by 5 each.

Just stick with core GPU clock unless you plan to do more research.

And by "already bored" I was referencing you calling it dull. I doubt you've got the interest in the process, or the specific drive needed to mess with anything else much. Unless you plan to do a LOT of benchmarking, rinsing, and repeating, sticking with the core clock is the best bet. And most people don't ever need to mess with anything else anyways.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
February 28 2012 03:00 GMT
#19040
7950 are pretty easy to clock, even without special aftermarket-cooling you can usually get past 1200mhz core stable
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