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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
September 27 2011 19:18 GMT
#12141
that psu is plenty enough, 60gb is enough for most users, what do you want on it ?

hd6870 basicly = gtx 560 and is cheaper usually, but if you find it at the same price or even lower, it's your choice
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MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
September 27 2011 19:21 GMT
#12142
For SSDs, the larger the drive, the better the performance (at least up to the 240gb level). You COULD get smaller ones and put them into a raid array to eke out a bit more speed, but it's almost always better to just avoid the hassle and stick with the larger drive. As far as reliability, Intel 320 or crucial m4 are the two series recommended right now. I think the m4s might be a bit faster.
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Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 19:30:33
September 27 2011 19:30 GMT
#12143
Just be aware that a GTX 560 or HD 6870 will be able to max SC2 and probably D3 as well at 1080p, but other games might only play on Medium or High. Check benchmarks, there are lots.

However, going above a 560ti / 6950 is not recommended because the price to performance ratio drops drastically. For example, GTX 570/HD 6970 cost over $300, twice the ~$170 cost of GTX 560/HD 6870 - but they usually perform around 50% better at most.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 19:42:15
September 27 2011 19:33 GMT
#12144
On September 28 2011 04:13 PlayhemTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2011 04:08 Shikyo wrote:
On September 28 2011 04:00 PlayhemTV wrote:
On September 28 2011 03:57 Wabbit wrote:
On September 28 2011 03:53 PlayhemTV wrote:
Okay I apologize then (again). What do you recommend then for price? The GTX 570? My friend works for the local computer tech squad so I guess he's just there to get me to spend more money


Can't make an informed recommendation if you don't post:
1) Your screen resolution
2) Current and upcoming games you expect to play
3) Settings you want to use (is "Medium" ok? or do you not settle for anything less than "max"? Does "max" have to include Anti-Aliasing (AA)?)


1. 1080P
2. I want to do high-end quality streaming for SC2 mainly but maybe other games like D3!
3. I want maximum resolution because again, streaming will bump my fps down.

Parts I'm looking at right now and (I do plan on overclocking):

1. Intel Core i5-2500K Processor 3.3GHz 6 MB Cache Socket LGA1155
2. GIGABYTE GA-Z68MX-UD2H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
3. Noctua for Intel LGA 1156, 1366, 1155, 775 and AMD AM2/AM2+/AM3 Sockets, 6 Heatpipe 2x140mm SSO Bearing Quiet CPU Cooler - Retail NH-C14
4. GFX card
5. PSU unit that I don't know which to get yet
6. OCZ Vertex 3 120GB 2.5IN SATA3 6Gbps Sandforce SF-2281 Solid State Disk Flash Drive SSD

Budget maybe around 1.5k? But now that I don't need to get that high of a GFX card I can go down to 1k

Z68 micro atx with usb 3 sata 6gbs... reeks of overpriced, what's the price?

That cooler is overpriced in my opinion.

You don't need anything higher than GTX 560 or 6970, which both are around 170 dollars depending on the store. GTX 460 works as well but only if it's cheaper than those.

Vertex 3 is overpriced, get Agility 3 for OCZ but that's not so recommended anymore because of sandforce issues, try crucial m4, it should be slightly cheaper than Vertex 3 anyway.

PSU would be around 500w.

How much would this cost from whatever store your friend is at? It's probably overpriced there so you should tell us that so that we can have you buy those for as cheap as possible.

Also, you're going to need some RAM, get a 2x4gb set of 1.5v, cost should be around 40 dollars, hopefully lower, 45 is acceptable.


Thanks for quick response!

The Mobo is $110. http://tinyurl.com/3lzvyn6

Any suggestions for a lower priced cooler then? I don't want to skimp out and buy a crappy one if I'm overclocking.

GTX 560 sounds solid

For SSD, do you recommend getting 60 or 120gb? Said friend was saying how you can split the SSD even further down for optimal performance...but it sounded complicated.

I already have a 650W Corsair TX from earlier. Is this enough? I also have 8gb of RAM which should be good.

Total cost was around 1.4k so.

That cooler's just quiet, it's outdated and overpriced.

Is your RAM rated at 1.5v? 1.65v might have problems working properly with sandybridge.

Your PSU is more than enough. Also don't care about splitting SSDs or whatever that's silly.

This mobo should work at 90$:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130576

The CPU is good at 220$:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

This GPU is good enough for playing SC2 smoothly on 1080p Ultra at 160$ with POCO926:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131378

The 64GB Crucial m4 SSD is probably enough at 95$:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148447

This is a good cooler at a good price if you don't mind rebates, 18$ after MIR(rebate's probably worth it here):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181011

This really is all you need? That totals at around 583$ after MIR, 603 if you don't want to do that. You were going to pay 1400$?

You need no storage drives?

On September 28 2011 04:30 Wabbit wrote:
Just be aware that a GTX 560 or HD 6870 will be able to max SC2 and probably D3 as well at 1080p, but other games might only play on Medium or High. Check benchmarks, there are lots.

However, going above a 560ti / 6950 is not recommended because the price to performance ratio drops drastically. For example, GTX 570/HD 6970 cost over $300, twice the ~$170 cost of GTX 560/HD 6870 - but they usually perform around 50% better at most.

Currently 6870 can't perform at a solid FPS in 1080p in games like Metro 2033, Stalker, Crysis, but pretty much anything else should be fine except civ 5 because radeon sucks there and if you play that alot you should pick nvidia instead. Also can't absolutely max some games yes, but if you're fine with say, high quality in metro 2033 you're all set.
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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
September 27 2011 19:42 GMT
#12145
Noctua is noted for good cooling performance with excellent acoustics. And coolers really don't get "outdated." You could say the same about the Coolermaster Hyper 212+. There's really nothing new about coolers except for slightly better fans or a different heatpipe and grill spread.

You pay the premium for better acoustics. It's the same thing goes for their fans.

However, the A70 is decently quiet. Make sure you have the clearance for it, and any other coolers of course, since some budget cases may be a tad too small. However, there's also a ton of other $20-30 coolers that perform on par or better in all so don't limit yourself.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 19:52:53
September 27 2011 19:49 GMT
#12146
On September 28 2011 04:42 Blisse wrote:
Noctua is noted for good cooling performance with excellent acoustics. And coolers really don't get "outdated." You could say the same about the Coolermaster Hyper 212+. There's really nothing new about coolers except for slightly better fans or a different heatpipe and grill spread.

You pay the premium for better acoustics. It's the same thing goes for their fans.

However, the A70 is decently quiet. Make sure you have the clearance for it, and any other coolers of course, since some budget cases may be a tad too small. However, there's also a ton of other $20-30 coolers that perform on par or better in all so don't limit yourself.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608020
I doubt he's clocking to levels where 2 celcius = 60 dollars.

I'd say hyper 212+ is outdated and mugen3 for instance would be better but hyper 212+ is cheaper. There's this thing called a price-performance ratio.

Btw zero 20-30 dollar coolers perform on par with A70 so.

Btw NH-C14 is completely obsolete because it costs the same as NH-D14.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
PlayhemTV
Profile Joined September 2011
United States17 Posts
September 27 2011 19:58 GMT
#12147
Alright thanks Shikyo. For recording videos and putting it onto youtube in HD, you think i5 2500k is good enough? Don't need hyper threading like a guy said in an earlier post? As for storage drives, I have several over my previous computers
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 27 2011 20:06 GMT
#12148
i5 2500k is good enough you only need 2600k for heavy video rendering and encoding, I don't think youtube VODs would require 2600k but I guess it might help, in my opinion it's not worth spending 100 dollars just for that and especially overclocked the 2500k should be able to handle it easily.
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TexDrum
Profile Joined September 2011
United States67 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 22:57:09
September 27 2011 22:49 GMT
#12149
The microcenter near me offers this processor on what I think is a huge discount, as it appears to be better than the i5 2400 that skyr gave me at least as far as cores/ghz per price: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0371961 I'm not really sure what the other specs read. This one is only 99$ though, compared to 149.99 for the other processor. If this is a good processor, could somebody find another mobo that would go with it? And would the same graphics card that he gave me http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55409&promoid=1367 still be usable with this processor/its mobo?

Edit: Would any of these work? Assuming the processor is a good one.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157176
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138283

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186168 - this one has a huge discount. And I'm pretty sure it's what I'm looking for, no?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 27 2011 22:51 GMT
#12150
The Phenom is worse than your current core i3 540... much worse. Lol. All PCI-E x16 Graphics cards work on all modern motherboards and the GTX 460 sold out btw.
Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
September 27 2011 22:56 GMT
#12151
On September 28 2011 07:49 TexDrum wrote:
The microcenter near me offers this processor on what I think is a huge discount, as it appears to be better than the i5 2400 that skyr gave me at least as far as cores/ghz per price: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0371961 I'm not really sure what the other specs read. This one is only 99$ though, compared to 149.99 for the other processor. If this is a good processor, could somebody find another mobo that would go with it? And would the same graphics card that he gave me http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55409&promoid=1367 still be usable with this processor/its mobo?


different architecture...different instruction sets.

The amount of of calculations being done per clock cycle is going to vary from processor to processor. In this case, a stock 2400 SB is going to out-do even a OCed phenom 2 quad.
LoL @ NA: bambipwnsu
TexDrum
Profile Joined September 2011
United States67 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 23:00:24
September 27 2011 22:58 GMT
#12152
^ That's a shame. Never mind then, although I'll look for other deals. In case I do find a good AMD processor, is there a good motherboard out of any of the ones I found?

Again, sorry for my tech-illiteracy, feel free to be as harsh as you need to, at the very least I'll learn, haha.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 23:00:39
September 27 2011 23:00 GMT
#12153
No such thing as a good AMD processor. Going AMD would be a big big mistake.
TexDrum
Profile Joined September 2011
United States67 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 23:02:43
September 27 2011 23:02 GMT
#12154
On September 28 2011 08:00 skyR wrote:
No such thing as a good AMD processor. Going AMD would be a big big mistake.


Hmm, gotcha, duly noted. Are there any other good graphics cards I could make use of? If it offers a good price drop, I would even be ok with something capable of only running high, I don't absolutely need ultra settings.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 23:03:49
September 27 2011 23:02 GMT
#12155
In the current market it's impossible to find a good AMD desktop processor for the price unless there's a really great sale. AMD is currently running a couple generations behind Intel now and is not price competitive. Net month's release should change things somewhat for certain tasks.

edit: GTS 450, HD 5770 / HD 6770 (they are the same), or even HD 5750 / HD 6750 (likewise the same), for say $105 before rebate would be a good deal and would let you play on high settings fine.
TexDrum
Profile Joined September 2011
United States67 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 23:13:27
September 27 2011 23:07 GMT
#12156
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161379 ?

Is there a difference between that and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127586 ?

Or http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0364080 there is also a similar one just like it from a different brand. This one is the least expensive but the same video card, I think.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130669 ...sorry for all the edits.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 23:18:09
September 27 2011 23:17 GMT
#12157
On September 28 2011 08:07 TexDrum wrote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161379 ?

Is there a difference between that and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127586 ?

Or http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0364080 there is also a similar one just like it from a different brand. This one is the least expensive but the same video card, I think.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130669 ...sorry for all the edits.


You'd most likely want none of those, but rather the 6770.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102941&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL092711&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL092711-_-EMC-092711-Latest-_-DesktopGraphicsVideoCards-_-14102941-L09C

$90 after rebate, $110 before. Need promo code: EMCKAHC53

Buy your motherboard at microcenter too when you buy the i5 2400 and you'll most likely get it like 66% off, if you're getting an h61 board.
TexDrum
Profile Joined September 2011
United States67 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 23:18:36
September 27 2011 23:18 GMT
#12158
Is there a difference between that and http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=61457&vpn=AX6770 1GBD5-H&manufacture=PowerColor&promoid=1367 ?

Edit: I called my microcenter, they don't have a deal for the i5, unfortunately.
Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
September 27 2011 23:19 GMT
#12159
the ncix one is 10$ cheaper and shipping is free for under 200lb so i would hop on that yeah.
LoL @ NA: bambipwnsu
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 27 2011 23:21 GMT
#12160
On September 28 2011 08:18 TexDrum wrote:
Is there a difference between that and http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=61457&vpn=AX6770 1GBD5-H&manufacture=PowerColor&promoid=1367 ?

Edit: I called my microcenter, they don't have a deal for the i5, unfortunately.


They don't have what deal for the i5? It's not a deal like "get an i5 and get any motherboard this % off" but rather "buy an CPU/Mobo bundle deal and get killer savings."

I've noticed Powercolor is always running on the cheaper prices, but I suspect it'd be fine. Performance wise should be identical, only things that differ are usually things like customer service, warranty, RMA policy (returning defective under warranty), how the card cools itself, ease of rebate process, etc.
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