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strikerz200
58 Posts
I need your advice on which video card to get. I get a bout 25~30 fps right now with low setting. at this point, i've narrowed my choice down to 6850 for price performance and nvida 560 Ti. let me know if you think 6850 is good enough with my cpu to run BF3 on medium setting. also How much fps would these cards give me respectively compared to my old 9800gt ? thanks | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On September 28 2011 11:16 konadora wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On September 28 2011 10:58 Shikyo wrote: 8gb is what you should currently get and it should be around 40USD, also if directCU is cheaper than twinfrozr get that if you want a good cooler. Get a P67pro or Extreme3 instead, that's way overkill and not good even as a combo. Radeon 7000s will be out at least. Get a cheaper SSD, that's overpriced, for Sandforce the current sweetspot would be Agility 3 in my opinion, if you don't trust them Crucial m4 seems to have the best price-performance ratio, though if Samsung is cheaper(normally isn't) you can get that too. 120/128gb is a good size. There's no win7 basic it's home premium. That screen seems overpriced but maybe it's singapore pricing. That's too much for a bluray drive imo. Elaborate on the case. Okay, 8GB then. Since the dual-channel and triple-channel are different, do I need to get a different motherboard for it? Or can a motherboard use both dual-channel and triple-channel, as long as it's the same DDR3 it doesn't matter? Yes I need a good cooler, I'll keep that in mind. Between P67pro and Extreme3, what are the key differences? Alright, I'll wait for them to be released before deciding. But I want to get the Radeon cards (initially Nvidia) because of the Eyefinity feature. Planning the get additional monitors in the future for it. I've heard that Samsung ones are cheaper and good as well. I don't need any additional features like the SMART I've read about the recent Kingston SSDs (heard they were useless anyway), so a basic SSD will do. Also, if I get the Win7 Home Premium, how much space will it use up in my SSD when I install it? I need additional space for frequent games and programs haha. And also, can I use it to install for parallel desktop on my mac, or do I need to get the one with multiple installation thingy? I think I can find cheaper screens, probably $250, have to find it though. How much should a blu-ray drive usually be? For the case, I just want something that is black and allows good air-flow. Lighting not a necessity. Just have to look decent enough  Key difference between Pro and Extreme is that Extreme allows for multi-GPU configurations. The Windows 7 installation is roughly 17gb. Southern Islands (Radeon 7) is highly unlikely to ship before the end of the year. The only new products you'll see in November are Bulldozer and Sandybridge-E which will have no influence on current processor pricing. On September 28 2011 11:11 Shikyo wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On September 28 2011 11:08 skyR wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Okay you're right, they're out of stock since you can't add it to your cart. NCIX has a terrible interface, oh well -_- The stupid thing about that is that they all are still SPECIAL SUPER SALE PRICE and like the 10 products I checked are only like 1-2 dollars off now... isn't that scamming lol One could argue that it's a printout flyer that isn't updated and that there are restocks. The GTX 460 Hawk was sold out and was ~$158 but it's now at $130 again. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On September 28 2011 11:20 skyR wrote: Key difference between Pro and Extreme is that Extreme allows for multi-GPU configurations. The Windows 7 installation is roughly 17gb. Southern Islands (Radeon 7) is highly unlikely to ship before the end of the year. The only new products you'll see in November are Bulldozer and Sandybridge-E which will have no influence on current processor pricing. multi-GPU is SLI and Crossfire right? I think I'll go for Pro then. Ah, I see. I think I can just stick to HD6870, unless there are better graphics cards out there for my needs that is cheaper and performs almost equally well. There is no difference between MSI, Sapphire and ATI ones, are there? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On September 28 2011 11:17 strikerz200 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + i have i3-2100 and 9800gt. I need your advice on which video card to get. I get a bout 25~30 fps right now with low setting. at this point, i've narrowed my choice down to 6850 for price performance and nvida 560 Ti. let me know if you think 6850 is good enough with my cpu to run BF3 on medium setting. also How much fps would these cards give me respectively compared to my old 9800gt ? thanks A 6850 is more than a 100% increase in performance from your old 9800GT. A 6850 should be able to comfortably play it on medium. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On September 28 2011 11:28 konadora wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On September 28 2011 11:20 skyR wrote: Key difference between Pro and Extreme is that Extreme allows for multi-GPU configurations. The Windows 7 installation is roughly 17gb. Southern Islands (Radeon 7) is highly unlikely to ship before the end of the year. The only new products you'll see in November are Bulldozer and Sandybridge-E which will have no influence on current processor pricing. multi-GPU is SLI and Crossfire right? I think I'll go for Pro then. Ah, I see. I think I can just stick to HD6870, unless there are better graphics cards out there for my needs that is cheaper and performs almost equally well. There is no difference between MSI, Sapphire and ATI ones, are there? yes, multi-GPU is SLI and CrossfireX. ATI (AMD) is the manufacturer of the GPU. Sapphire and MSI are AIBs (add-in board) partners that take the GPU and put it on a PCB and equip a heatsink to it. The primary difference between Sapphire, MSI, and other brands is the post-sale support, warranty, and the equipped heatsink. MSI's Twin Frozr II and ASUS's DirectCu II are two of the best GPU heatsinks that comes equipped with a card. | ||
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strikerz200
58 Posts
On September 28 2011 11:29 skyR wrote: A 6850 is more than a 100% increase in performance from your old 9800GT. A 6850 should be able to comfortably play it on medium. skyr thanks a ton. I really appreciate your help | ||
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ragnasaur
United States804 Posts
Basically I want the best thing for starcraft 2 but at the same time i don't want to be lagging around the internetz. The AMD A6 is 1.4Ghz quad core, but i read somewhere that the llano processors are based on the old Athlon architecture so I cant see how that would be very fast. The i3 is a dual core at 2.1-2.4Ghz but is supposed to be really fast. I would be using the integrated graphics for either processor with 4gb RAM Anyone have any thoughts on either of these processors? + Show Spoiler + hows this laptop look (A6 example) http://www.amazon.com/Gateway-NV55S04u-15-6-Inch-Laptop-Ebony/dp/B0051OLC4S/ref=lh_ni_t | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Keep in mind that the Llano does have turbo boost (which is automatic overclocking) so it'll increase it's speed to x speed if only a certain amount of cores are being used for a task. Though, it's still slower than a Sandybridge regardless of this feature. If you're only concerned about low settings on a low resolution, the Sandybridge IGP would also be capable of handling the game smoothly. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-6520G.55734.0.html http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-3000.37948.0.html (note: HD Graphics 3000 runs at different frequencies depending on which CPU it's with, and some tests are limited by the CPU, so the results above are a little bit optimistic for the i3's IGP) For SC2 and for general use, I'd rather have the i3. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On September 28 2011 11:31 skyR wrote: yes, multi-GPU is SLI and CrossfireX. ATI (AMD) is the manufacturer of the GPU. Sapphire and MSI are AIBs (add-in board) partners that take the GPU and put it on a PCB and equip a heatsink to it. The primary difference between Sapphire, MSI, and other brands is the post-sale support, warranty, and the equipped heatsink. MSI's Twin Frozr II and ASUS's DirectCu II are two of the best GPU heatsinks that comes equipped with a card. Okay I see, thanks for the information! | ||
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Metora
United States25 Posts
On September 27 2011 13:33 Metora wrote: I was just directed to this thread, and I am looking for your assistance! I am looking to build a brand new computer from scratch. I'll answer the questions you provided in the OP. Just as a side note I am not extremely computer savvy, I play them but do not know anything about them. Budget- $800-$1300 ; I am trying to stay under $1k if possible. Resolution - I have a 2 year old 24" from Dell that is 1680 x 1050 ; I am open to replacing this Purpose - Mostly gaming like Sc2, Diablo 3, WoW, and I want the ability to stream as well Upgrade cycle - most likely something in the post 2 year range Building Time - I plan on beginning purchasing the necessary components and parts 9/30/11 Overclocking - I am not entirely sure what it is still (read the writeup) if it's not necessary then probably not Operating System - Yes I will need an Operating System, if the computer won't come with Windows 7 preloaded onto it Second GPU - I was instructed that it's not necessary for what i'm looking for Parts Locations - I have a Fry's Electronics in a nearby city to where I live, I also live in the U.S. so I can utilize newegg as well. Lastly, just to reiterate I am extremely thankful for any help I will get on this thread, and once again I just would like to state I am not a really computer technical person, so the answers to the questions I formulated were made under the best possible educated guesses I had with the information provided. If you need to ask me additional questions feel free to PM me on TL, or message me on NA at Metora 533. Thank you so much ! CPU: i5 2400 190$: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074 Mobo: Asrock H61 mATX 63$: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157256 GPU: PowerColorRadeon HD6870 160$ with POCO926: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131378 RAM: G.SKILL Value Series 8GB RAM 38$ with EMCKAHH27: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422 PSU: Antec Earthwatts 430W 45$: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371034 Case: Xigmatek Asgard II 30$: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811815004 Win7 Home Premium OEM 100$: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986 HDD + Optical Drive combo: Samsung Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB, DVD-RW drive, 67.50$(not sure if you can still use promo code): http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.696141 Many of those have MIRs, but if you don't count MIR that comes up to a total of 693.50$ and maxes out almost anything at 1680x1050. I appreciate your help on these suggestions. A friend of mine suggested to hear SkyR on his thoughts on the build or maybe a build he has suggested with the specifications I provided. One question I was told to ask, is whether or not I should get a h67 motherboard rather than h61 so I can get 1600mhz 8gb ram. Any help would be appreciated! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.html http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3 http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377 So just get the least expensive 1333MHz 2x4gb kit available. The configuration that was provided to you by Shikyo is a good starting point. Some things I would change, get the Asrock H61M-VS instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241 Primary difference between the two is less DIMM slots and the integrated sound. You're already getting 2x4gb which will suffice for the majority of consumers through the Sandybridge and Ivybridge era, I don't think you'll find much need in upgrading to 4x4gb of memory until well beyond Skylake (four+ years). The 5.1 sound on the -VS is more than adequate for most consumer needs, you don't need the 7.1 provided by the -GE. I would side with the Corsair CX430 V2 since it's the same price and will be significantly less expensive after the mail in rebate: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026 It's slightly worse than the Earthwatts but is still acceptable in terms of quality and power. Since you still have money left over, you may want to consider investing in an SSD such as the Crucial M4 for faster load times, either the 64gb variant or 128gb variant: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148447 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148442 It makes a huge difference in WoW (at least imo), you won't be waiting for textures to load ever again on an SSD. I would also put more money towards a better case. If you don't mind ordering from two places, you can get some of the components at a lower price from NCIX. Windows 7 is only $90 there: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=45271&promoid=1367 An XFX Radeon HD6850 is only $135: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63985&promoid=1367 All of it is free shipping (over $50 and under 200lb) though some of the sales end soon and a new sale will be starting sometime this week. | ||
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89vision
United States70 Posts
It looks like I can save at least $50 if I get a mobo with only 2 dimm slots, vs 4, but this feels like shooting myself in the foot in a year or two. The i5 seems like it is going to be a good CPU for the next 2 years, and I bought a GTX460 because I don't need super awesome graphics capabilities right now, so the only thing I can think that I would want to upgrade in the next 1-2 years is adding more memory and switching over to SSD's. Is 8gb going to be the total limit for the i5-2500k OC'd for its entire lifecycle? If so what does the memory actually do, that it wouldn't be beneficial to add more later? Overall I'm pretty confused on the MOBO's, the different versions 6gb/s sata vs 3, usb 3.0, DIMM slots, etc... I missed the $200 i5 2500k at ncix, hopefully a sale comes out in the next month similarly priced. I bought from NCIX already: MSI GTX 460 for $130(100 AMIR) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55409&vpn=N460GTX HAWK&manufacture=MSI/MicroStar&promoid=1367 Seagate 1TB $39.99 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=58746&vpn=ST31000524AS&manufacture=Seagate&promoid=1367 Mushkin 8gb 1333 1.5v $29.99(24.99 AMIR) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55544&vpn=996770&manufacture=Mushkin Enhanced&promoid=1367 Getting a case is annoying, I want things I probably don't need like the setup when the cables route behind everything in a "hidden" space? I want this because then I don't have to be good at cable management to get good airflow, and it just makes things more simple(?). But it looks like you have to pay at least $20 or more to get it in cases right now, what is the term for this? This looks OK for 69.99 AMIR? It utilizes a large top fan which I prefer because I would like the quietest PC possible. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL092711&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL092711-_-EMC-092711-T-_-ComputerCases-_-11129021-L03A I don't really care about looks, except I don't want a "gaming" looking pc, the lian li and fractal design cases are my style. Unless it is cheap, and I can disable the LEDs. Also, you guys are awesome, skyR, Myrmidon, etc thanks for all the help for myself and everyone. | ||
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ToFjames
United States33 Posts
What is your budget? Under 600$ preferably as cheap as possible. im saving for mlg orlando =) What is your resolution? EDIT: 1920x1080 What are you using it for? Mostly playing sc2 and watching streams would also like to be able to stream. I also plan on playing diablo 3 .i generally play on low settings for sc2 and would like to have the ability to play on high What is your upgrade cycle? 2 years When do you plan on building it? 1-2 weeks from now Do you plan on overclocking? no Do you need an Operating System? Yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No Where are you buying your parts from? newegg I already have a monitor keyboard and mouse. Also i was wondering what i need to hook my computer up to a tv so that i can watch streams/netflix with my family. currently have a old toshiba tv and may be getting a new one soon. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 28 2011 16:16 89vision wrote: So whats the deal with USB 3.0, is it not really worth it to get it now? How long until it is worth it and why? It looks like I can save at least $50 if I get a mobo with only 2 dimm slots, vs 4, but this feels like shooting myself in the foot in a year or two. The i5 seems like it is going to be a good CPU for the next 2 years, and I bought a GTX460 because I don't need super awesome graphics capabilities right now, so the only thing I can think that I would want to upgrade in the next 1-2 years is adding more memory and switching over to SSD's. Is 8gb going to be the total limit for the i5-2500k OC'd for its entire lifecycle? If so what does the memory actually do, that it wouldn't be beneficial to add more later? Overall I'm pretty confused on the MOBO's, the different versions 6gb/s sata vs 3, usb 3.0, DIMM slots, etc... I missed the $200 i5 2500k at ncix, hopefully a sale comes out in the next month similarly priced. I bought from NCIX already: MSI GTX 460 for $130(100 AMIR) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55409&vpn=N460GTX HAWK&manufacture=MSI/MicroStar&promoid=1367 Seagate 1TB $39.99 http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=58746&vpn=ST31000524AS&manufacture=Seagate&promoid=1367 Mushkin 8gb 1333 1.5v $29.99(24.99 AMIR) http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=55544&vpn=996770&manufacture=Mushkin Enhanced&promoid=1367 Getting a case is annoying, I want things I probably don't need like the setup when the cables route behind everything in a "hidden" space? I want this because then I don't have to be good at cable management to get good airflow, and it just makes things more simple(?). But it looks like you have to pay at least $20 or more to get it in cases right now, what is the term for this? This looks OK for 69.99 AMIR? It utilizes a large top fan which I prefer because I would like the quietest PC possible. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021&nm_mc=EMC-IGNEFL092711&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL092711-_-EMC-092711-T-_-ComputerCases-_-11129021-L03A I don't really care about looks, except I don't want a "gaming" looking pc, the lian li and fractal design cases are my style. Unless it is cheap, and I can disable the LEDs. Also, you guys are awesome, skyR, Myrmidon, etc thanks for all the help for myself and everyone. I'm not sure why you think just one year from now you're going to be kicking yourself for having only 8GB of RAM... On September 28 2011 16:24 ToFjames wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hey guys! Thanks in advance. What is your budget? Under 600$ preferably as cheap as possible. im saving for mlg orlando =) What is your resolution? i will be useing a 23 inch monitor a brother is giving me so whatever is best with that (I am not tech savy at all) + Show Spoiler + What are you using it for? Mostly playing sc2 and watching streams would also like to be able to stream. I also plan on playing diablo 3 .i generally play on low settings for sc2 and would like to have the ability to play on high What is your upgrade cycle? 2 years When do you plan on building it? 1-2 weeks from now Do you plan on overclocking? no Do you need an Operating System? Yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No Where are you buying your parts from? newegg I already have a monitor keyboard and mouse. Also i was wondering what i need to hook my computer up to a tv so that i can watch streams/netflix with my family. currently have a old toshiba tv and may be getting a new one soon You still need to mention the resolution, although for a 23'' monitor I'd be surprised if it wasn't 1920x1080. With that budget you're probably not going to be able to stream too well, although I'm sure some other guys can try working their magic. Just thinking about the OS costing ~$85-100 and taxes. | ||
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ToFjames
United States33 Posts
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
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Snaxy
Norway8 Posts
My friend just ordered a pc, with the following specs. i5 2500k (going to overclock it ) 6950 1 gb 4 gb ram The powersupply he ordered is the Corsair CX 500w v2, and i was wondering if it is powerfull enough for this build. Thanks :p | ||
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Legatus Lanius
2135 Posts
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Snaxy
Norway8 Posts
On September 28 2011 17:40 Legatus Lanius wrote: yep Ok, nice. Thanks :D | ||
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