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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Metora
Profile Joined March 2011
United States25 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 04:44:54
September 27 2011 04:33 GMT
#12101
I was just directed to this thread, and I am looking for your assistance! I am looking to build a brand new computer from scratch. I'll answer the questions you provided in the OP. Just as a side note I am not extremely computer savvy, I play them but do not know anything about them.

Budget- $800-$1300 ; I am trying to stay under $1k if possible.
Resolution - I have a 2 year old 24" from Dell that is 1680 x 1050 ; I am open to replacing this
Purpose - Mostly gaming like Sc2, Diablo 3, WoW, and I want the ability to stream as well
Upgrade cycle - most likely something in the post 2 year range
Building Time - I plan on beginning purchasing the necessary components and parts 9/30/11
Overclocking - I am not entirely sure what it is still (read the writeup) if it's not necessary then probably not
Operating System - Yes I will need an Operating System, if the computer won't come with Windows 7 preloaded onto it
Second GPU - I was instructed that it's not necessary for what i'm looking for
Parts Locations - I have a Fry's Electronics in a nearby city to where I live, I also live in the U.S. so I can utilize newegg as well.

Lastly, just to reiterate I am extremely thankful for any help I will get on this thread, and once again I just would like to state I am not a really computer technical person, so the answers to the questions I formulated were made under the best possible educated guesses I had with the information provided. If you need to ask me additional questions feel free to PM me on TL, or message me on NA at Metora 533.

Thank you so much !


“Let me tell you a little lesson, buddy. The cream always rises to the top. And I’m about to show you the white, hot cream of an eighth-grade boy.”
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 27 2011 05:14 GMT
#12102
On September 27 2011 13:30 PlayhemTV wrote:
Hey I'm somewhat computer illiterate and I tried reading through the thread for information. I found a lot of information, thanks!

My question is that I'm upgrading to an i5 2500k + ASUS Z68 Mobo + Radeon 6990. I plan on using my old graphics card (Nvidia 9800 GTX) with the Radeon 6990 as dual GPU. How much PSU am I looking at?


You can't dual GPU that, but I'm not sure if you're serious. Regardless, are you fine with spending a fortune?
PlayhemTV
Profile Joined September 2011
United States17 Posts
September 27 2011 06:07 GMT
#12103
On September 27 2011 14:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 13:30 PlayhemTV wrote:
Hey I'm somewhat computer illiterate and I tried reading through the thread for information. I found a lot of information, thanks!

My question is that I'm upgrading to an i5 2500k + ASUS Z68 Mobo + Radeon 6990. I plan on using my old graphics card (Nvidia 9800 GTX) with the Radeon 6990 as dual GPU. How much PSU am I looking at?


You can't dual GPU that, but I'm not sure if you're serious. Regardless, are you fine with spending a fortune?


Hmm...okay well I was told I could but I guess I'm wrong (told you I'm incompetent lol). Assuming I don't use the old Nvidia, how much am I looking at?
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 06:46:38
September 27 2011 06:21 GMT
#12104
On September 27 2011 15:07 PlayhemTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 14:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
On September 27 2011 13:30 PlayhemTV wrote:
Hey I'm somewhat computer illiterate and I tried reading through the thread for information. I found a lot of information, thanks!

My question is that I'm upgrading to an i5 2500k + ASUS Z68 Mobo + Radeon 6990. I plan on using my old graphics card (Nvidia 9800 GTX) with the Radeon 6990 as dual GPU. How much PSU am I looking at?


You can't dual GPU that, but I'm not sure if you're serious. Regardless, are you fine with spending a fortune?


Hmm...okay well I was told I could but I guess I'm wrong (told you I'm incompetent lol). Assuming I don't use the old Nvidia, how much am I looking at?


Cheapest 6990 is ~$720 after shipping, before tax, so about $755 after tax. i5 2500k = ~$200, Asus z68 mobo ~$110-130. Not sure at all how much a 6990 draws but you're looking aroudn $50 minimum for that.

You can "dual GPU" via SLI with NVIDIA or Crossfire with AMD, respectively. They have to be identical graphics cards, so you'd "crossfire 2 6970's." I don't believe you can crossfire the 6990 anyways. I currently have a NVIDIA GTX 460 1GB as my current GPU, and I just bought a second one (on sale atm) for SLI. In order to perform SLI, I couldn't buy any other card except the GTX 460 1GB. I guess technically I could buy the GTX 460 768MB, but it's the same card with simply less VRAM, and by putting a GTX 460 1GB and a GTX 460 768 MB in SLI, would make it run essentially as if it were two GTX 460 768 MB cards.

That was probably excessive and only served to confuse you more. Long story short they need to be identical cards.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 07:01:48
September 27 2011 06:53 GMT
#12105
They don't have to be the same card but it's recommended (crossfire).

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@PlayhemTV
If you learned a lot reading this thread why do you want a 6990? I don't think it's been recommended once in this thread.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 27 2011 07:56 GMT
#12106
Oh, well SLI has to be the same card, my bad on Crossfire.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
September 27 2011 08:52 GMT
#12107
unless you wont to play on 3 screens then a hd6990 is ... useless

if you just want SC2 on ultra single GTX460 or hd6850 will do the work
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
GGitsJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
New Zealand426 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 10:30:07
September 27 2011 10:25 GMT
#12108
Hey guys, I was hoping to get an opinion on a build my friend helped me put together.
I'm in New Zealand so my supplier is Pb Tech, do you think there are spaces for improvement in the rig?

Budget: $1400NZD
Purpose: To play the upcoming games at Max (or near max), ones like Dota 2, Battlefield 3, Modern Warfare 3, Diablo III, and so on.
Resolution: 1650x1050
Upgrade Cycle: Around the 1 and a half year range.
When I'm building this: Around December this year (I read about waiting for Ivy bridge release in March but my friend said that won't really matter much to me?)
Overclocking: Nah :/
SLI, Crossfire: Nope again

Case Antec Nine Hundred Two $189.75
Mobo Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 $171.35
CPU AMD Phenom II X4 955 $194.35
RAM Kingston DDR3 8GB $148.35
GPU EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti DS $424.35
HDD Seagate 1TB Barracuda 7200.12 $90.85
Drive LG GH22NS70 22xLG GH22NS70 22x $40.25
PSU CORSAIR 600W CX-600v2 $125.35

Please have a read through if you are able, took me a while to put all this together in the name of great advice :D
"A reason becomes an excuse if you don't do anything about it."
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
September 27 2011 10:37 GMT
#12109
Wait until you are going to order and come back, bulldozer will also be out by then

and that is a bd build btw

right now you'd be rather looking at i5-2400
H61 mobo
cheapest 8 gb ram you can get
600w psu is overkill
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 12:23:48
September 27 2011 10:50 GMT
#12110
On September 27 2011 15:07 PlayhemTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 14:14 FabledIntegral wrote:
On September 27 2011 13:30 PlayhemTV wrote:
Hey I'm somewhat computer illiterate and I tried reading through the thread for information. I found a lot of information, thanks!

My question is that I'm upgrading to an i5 2500k + ASUS Z68 Mobo + Radeon 6990. I plan on using my old graphics card (Nvidia 9800 GTX) with the Radeon 6990 as dual GPU. How much PSU am I looking at?


You can't dual GPU that, but I'm not sure if you're serious. Regardless, are you fine with spending a fortune?


Hmm...okay well I was told I could but I guess I'm wrong (told you I'm incompetent lol). Assuming I don't use the old Nvidia, how much am I looking at?

6990 is such a horrible idea that I can't fathom how you've come up with that if you've been using this thread for information. Are you planning on running a tri-monitor eyefinity? Even if you are, dual 6950 is cheaper and better and quieter. 6990 sounds like a dishwasher.

On September 27 2011 13:33 Metora wrote:
I was just directed to this thread, and I am looking for your assistance! I am looking to build a brand new computer from scratch. I'll answer the questions you provided in the OP. Just as a side note I am not extremely computer savvy, I play them but do not know anything about them.

Budget- $800-$1300 ; I am trying to stay under $1k if possible.
Resolution - I have a 2 year old 24" from Dell that is 1680 x 1050 ; I am open to replacing this
Purpose - Mostly gaming like Sc2, Diablo 3, WoW, and I want the ability to stream as well
Upgrade cycle - most likely something in the post 2 year range
Building Time - I plan on beginning purchasing the necessary components and parts 9/30/11
Overclocking - I am not entirely sure what it is still (read the writeup) if it's not necessary then probably not
Operating System - Yes I will need an Operating System, if the computer won't come with Windows 7 preloaded onto it
Second GPU - I was instructed that it's not necessary for what i'm looking for
Parts Locations - I have a Fry's Electronics in a nearby city to where I live, I also live in the U.S. so I can utilize newegg as well.

Lastly, just to reiterate I am extremely thankful for any help I will get on this thread, and once again I just would like to state I am not a really computer technical person, so the answers to the questions I formulated were made under the best possible educated guesses I had with the information provided. If you need to ask me additional questions feel free to PM me on TL, or message me on NA at Metora 533.

Thank you so much !



CPU: i5 2400 190$:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074

Mobo: Asrock H61 mATX 63$:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157256

GPU: PowerColorRadeon HD6870 160$ with POCO926:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131378

RAM: G.SKILL Value Series 8GB RAM 38$ with EMCKAHH27:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231422

PSU: Antec Earthwatts 430W 45$:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371034

Case: Xigmatek Asgard II 30$:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811815004

Win7 Home Premium OEM 100$:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

HDD + Optical Drive combo: Samsung Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB, DVD-RW drive, 67.50$(not sure if you can still use promo code):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.696141

Many of those have MIRs, but if you don't count MIR that comes up to a total of 693.50$ and maxes out almost anything at 1680x1050.

On September 27 2011 19:25 GGitsJack wrote:
Hey guys, I was hoping to get an opinion on a build my friend helped me put together.
I'm in New Zealand so my supplier is Pb Tech, do you think there are spaces for improvement in the rig?

Budget: $1400NZD
Purpose: To play the upcoming games at Max (or near max), ones like Dota 2, Battlefield 3, Modern Warfare 3, Diablo III, and so on.
Resolution: 1650x1050
Upgrade Cycle: Around the 1 and a half year range.
When I'm building this: Around December this year (I read about waiting for Ivy bridge release in March but my friend said that won't really matter much to me?)
Overclocking: Nah :/
SLI, Crossfire: Nope again

Case Antec Nine Hundred Two $189.75
Mobo Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 $171.35
CPU AMD Phenom II X4 955 $194.35
RAM Kingston DDR3 8GB $148.35
GPU EVGA GeForce GTX 560 Ti DS $424.35
HDD Seagate 1TB Barracuda 7200.12 $90.85
Drive LG GH22NS70 22xLG GH22NS70 22x $40.25
PSU CORSAIR 600W CX-600v2 $125.35

Please have a read through if you are able, took me a while to put all this together in the name of great advice :D

CPU i5 2400 270.25$:
http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=CPUIT2400

Mobo: GIGABYTE H61M-S2P-B3 102.35$:
http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=MBDGBM0397

RAM: Kingston 1333MHz 4gbx2 86.25$:
http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=MEMKVR3105

GPU: GTX 560 309.35$:
http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=VGAEVG1560

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB 90.85$:
http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=HDDSE2103

PSU: Corsair CX-430V2 86.25$:
http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=PSUCOR1430

Optical Drive: LG GH22NS70 22x 40.25$:
http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=DVWLGH214

Case: Antec Three Hundred 95.45$:
http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=CHAANT0300

Nearly 300 dollars cheaper, runs everything at your resolution, should mostly perform better. GPU might still be overkill but there weren't really too good cheaper options at the site.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
strikerz200
Profile Joined September 2011
58 Posts
September 27 2011 13:43 GMT
#12111
I want to upgrade my gpu... possibly PSU (let me know if i need a better one)

Current Setting:
CPU: Sandy Bridge i3-2100
GPU: 9800GT XFX
HD : 1TB Seagate 7200RPM
OS: Windows 7 Ultiate 64 Bit
Ram: 4gb RIPJAW
PSU: Antec Neo HE 550Watt

I want to upgrade to HD 6850 to replace my old 9800gt that's running at 100+ celcius at full load in game... Will I have to buy a new PSU ? or is my current one fine. thanks a ton !



skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 27 2011 13:46 GMT
#12112
The current one you have is fine.
strikerz200
Profile Joined September 2011
58 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 13:47:34
September 27 2011 13:46 GMT
#12113
On September 27 2011 22:46 skyR wrote:
The current one you have is fine.


skyR you are awesome.
Also, thanks for helping me out with picking out my cpu before.
i3-2100 really is just kicking ass for my low budget pc.

hope i can play bf3 medium setting with new gpu
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
September 27 2011 14:08 GMT
#12114
wait for bf3 to come out or at least wait for beta reports for your GPU, then you'll be bale to play it on ultra with the right one, shouldn't be a very demanding game from what i've heard and seen here and there, but dunno about the reliability so ... :p
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
strikerz200
Profile Joined September 2011
58 Posts
September 27 2011 14:17 GMT
#12115
On September 27 2011 23:08 Rachnar wrote:
wait for bf3 to come out or at least wait for beta reports for your GPU, then you'll be bale to play it on ultra with the right one, shouldn't be a very demanding game from what i've heard and seen here and there, but dunno about the reliability so ... :p


yea I mean if I can play on low/med around 60 fps I'll be more than happy
Hope my cpu can rock it out like it's been doing all this time lol
carrying my gpu so much
Quartal
Profile Joined April 2011
140 Posts
September 27 2011 14:18 GMT
#12116
I'm trying to decide between a single fan Sapphire 6950 and an ASUS DCII GTX 560 Ti at the same price. I read that at stock clocks, the two cards are basically the same, with the 6950 being on average 2-3% faster. However the ASUS is factory OC'd and comes with a dual fan design, presumably offering further OC'ing capabilities than a single fan design. That alone is swinging my decision back towards the ASUS. Have I missed anything? and which card do would you get?

Manufacturers' pages (if anyone is interested)
http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/NVIDIA_Series/ENGTX560_Ti_DCII_TOP2DI1GD5/
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1&gid=3&sgid=1041&pid=1083&psn=&lid=1&leg=0
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 14:30:09
September 27 2011 14:19 GMT
#12117
On September 27 2011 23:08 Rachnar wrote:
wait for bf3 to come out or at least wait for beta reports for your GPU, then you'll be bale to play it on ultra with the right one, shouldn't be a very demanding game from what i've heard and seen here and there, but dunno about the reliability so ... :p

Oh you definitely are going to need a demanding GPU to max it out but playing it at a nice quality comfortably at 1080p should be very possible with just something like a GTX 460. I doubt it's more demanding than crysis etc.

On September 27 2011 23:18 iREight wrote:
I'm trying to decide between a single fan Sapphire 6950 and an ASUS DCII GTX 560 Ti at the same price. I read that at stock clocks, the two cards are basically the same, with the 6950 being on average 2-3% faster. However the ASUS is factory OC'd and comes with a dual fan design, presumably offering further OC'ing capabilities than a single fan design. That alone is swinging my decision back towards the ASUS. Have I missed anything? and which card do would you get?

Manufacturers' pages (if anyone is interested)
http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/NVIDIA_Series/ENGTX560_Ti_DCII_TOP2DI1GD5/
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1&gid=3&sgid=1041&pid=1083&psn=&lid=1&leg=0

DirectCU II is a quadrizidribigillion times better as a cooler so that. The factory OC is a total joke so don't even count that, however the cooler is so good you can overclock it effortlessly, it's cool and silent etc. Personally though I'd get the DirectCU II 6950 if it's around the same price.



However, what lead you to the decision between those cards? Are you sure there's no better alternatives? Are you sure there isn't a significantly cheaper GTX 560 Ti for instance, or a better 6950 nearby? Are you sure you even need one, or would a 6870 be enough?

On September 27 2011 23:22 Rachnar wrote:
i max out crysis with my 6870, sometimes going to 20 fps but it's still pretty rare and lasts just a few seconds usually

Btw I consider a usable resolution/graphics settings to be around a stable 60 fps
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
September 27 2011 14:22 GMT
#12118
i max out crysis with my 6870, sometimes going to 20 fps but it's still pretty rare and lasts just a few seconds usually
"What if it's a triple DK ?" "Then we cry" "Prepare your handkerchief then ..."
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 27 2011 14:34 GMT
#12119
On September 27 2011 23:22 Rachnar wrote:
i max out crysis with my 6870, sometimes going to 20 fps but it's still pretty rare and lasts just a few seconds usually


Erm. Crysis, Warhead, or 2? Huge differences.

Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 14:38:47
September 27 2011 14:37 GMT
#12120
2, not warhead, sorry forgot to mention it, i know i cant run that one :p

also i cant OC it so annoying :< each time i go past like 850mhz it just shuts down :/
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