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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
September 27 2011 01:19 GMT
#12081
The Seasonic S12II 620 was the one I originally recommended.

The Antec Earthwatts for $55 is okay. I'd go with the XFX Core Edition Pro 450 for $55 ($35 after mail in rebate): http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63238
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 27 2011 01:20 GMT
#12082
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That's the cable. Well, that's an extension for it.

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Those are the slots.

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That's what the cable from the PSU plugs into on the graphics card.
TexDrum
Profile Joined September 2011
United States67 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 01:26:42
September 27 2011 01:24 GMT
#12083
Thanks both of you!

Will one of these monitors be better than the other? One has a higher resolution, but the other appears to have some other options that the first does not.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009317&Tpk=24-009-317

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer - 21.5" Flat-Panel LCD Monitor/2596077.p?id=1218338417745&skuId=2596077&st=2596077&cp=1&lp=1
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 01:27:23
September 27 2011 01:24 GMT
#12084
On September 27 2011 10:19 skyR wrote:
The Seasonic S12II 620 was the one I originally recommended.

The Antec Earthwatts for $55 is okay. I'd go with the XFX Core Edition Pro 450 for $55 ($35 after mail in rebate): http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=63238


If you don't want to do the rebate, I'd take the Earthwatts Green 650W at $55 or OCZ Fatal1ty 550W at $45:
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=37047&vpn=OCZ550FTY&promoid=1367

The OCZ is cheaper and a little bit worse, but not bad. (warning: cables short for huge cases)


With the motherboard, if you could ever see yourself using a PCI expansion card, more than 4 SATA ports (each hard drive or optical drive uses one), a higher-end SSD, USB3, or wanting Gigabit Ethernet (as opposed to just 100 Mbps, which already greatly exceeds the connections ordinary people have to their ISPs), AsRock H61M/U3S3 is $15 more:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236

The H61M-VS is plenty fine though.
TexDrum
Profile Joined September 2011
United States67 Posts
September 27 2011 01:28 GMT
#12085



With the motherboard, if you could ever see yourself using a PCI expansion card, more than 4 SATA ports (each hard drive or optical drive uses one), a higher-end SSD, USB3, or wanting Gigabit Ethernet (as opposed to just 100 Mbps, which already greatly exceeds the connections ordinary people have to their ISPs), AsRock H61M/U3S3 is $15 more:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236

The H61M-VS is plenty fine though.


I think I should be fine, purely because of the fact that I'm not looking to add on anything too fancy, and I think I'm going to go with a usb port wifi extension, unless I can put it on to the motherboard. But doesn't the motherboard I have only offer a slot for the GPU or wifi card, and not both? (In which case I would go with USB)
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 01:31:09
September 27 2011 01:30 GMT
#12086
The wifi card goes into the white x1 slot. The GPU goes into the colored x16 slot. But a USB card is fine as well, and frequently offers better flexibility with the antenna. Not a big deal either way.

At least, i think the wifi card I linked you goes in x1. Most do.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 27 2011 01:32 GMT
#12087
On September 27 2011 10:24 TexDrum wrote:
Thanks both of you!

Will one of these monitors be better than the other? One has a higher resolution, but the other appears to have some other options that the first does not.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009317&Tpk=24-009-317

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer - 21.5" Flat-Panel LCD Monitor/2596077.p?id=1218338417745&skuId=2596077&st=2596077&cp=1&lp=1

Both are bad but the 1080p is better because it's that resolution, I'd just spend on a 150 dollar monitor as that way you'd get a good one.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 27 2011 01:33 GMT
#12088
And remember: better you ask the question and be comfortable with your purchase and get what you want than not asking the question for fear of it being a dumb question. Every question seems dumb to somebody, but we only have a problem with dumb answers.
TexDrum
Profile Joined September 2011
United States67 Posts
September 27 2011 01:35 GMT
#12089
What exactly makes it bad? Is it the response time? And I'm approaching my budget since I still need an OS (because I'm not sure if my friend can come through with me on a discounted one), and I'm not very picky about having a super excellent monitor, as it is I've been able to play solidly on a basic laptop
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 27 2011 02:11 GMT
#12090
On September 27 2011 10:35 TexDrum wrote:
What exactly makes it bad? Is it the response time? And I'm approaching my budget since I still need an OS (because I'm not sure if my friend can come through with me on a discounted one), and I'm not very picky about having a super excellent monitor, as it is I've been able to play solidly on a basic laptop


I'm not sure Shikyo's reasoning for disliking the second one, but it seems fine. Acer tends to be slightly more on the cheap side, but really I don't see any issues with it. I'm not too tech savvy with monitors but no, the issue definitely isn't the response times at 5ms. I wouldn't go with the first one though.

Monitors are very subjective compared to the hardware that goes in the case.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 02:19:21
September 27 2011 02:14 GMT
#12091
There is absolutely nothing wrong with using 5ms monitors for gaming - the real buzzkiller is input lag and the monitors you are looking at aren't high end enough for that to be a problem.

People game fine on monitors with 12ms response times. And if they do find problems gaming on these high end monitors, its not because of the response time but due to the huge input lag.

With TN monitors, you go into a store and pick one you think looks nice and has the features you want (HCDP, DisplayPort, speakers, ergonomic stand, etc). For instance, if I went into my local electronics store (Dick Smith or Harvey Norman), I'd probably walk out with a HP 2511 because the image quality is quite good and be happy with my purchase. If there is any difference between an Asus or Acer 23" 2ms monitor, I wouldn't know.

With specialty monitors like IPS and 120hz, you look at reviews because implementation is key with this technology. You mess up the implementation with these monitors and they end up being really, really terrible.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 27 2011 02:32 GMT
#12092
On September 27 2011 11:11 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 10:35 TexDrum wrote:
What exactly makes it bad? Is it the response time? And I'm approaching my budget since I still need an OS (because I'm not sure if my friend can come through with me on a discounted one), and I'm not very picky about having a super excellent monitor, as it is I've been able to play solidly on a basic laptop


I'm not sure Shikyo's reasoning for disliking the second one, but it seems fine. Acer tends to be slightly more on the cheap side, but really I don't see any issues with it. I'm not too tech savvy with monitors but no, the issue definitely isn't the response times at 5ms. I wouldn't go with the first one though.

Monitors are very subjective compared to the hardware that goes in the case.

Lack of led backlighting. For the first one, lack of 1080p. 3.8 score average isn't a good indication when added to that.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 02:34:52
September 27 2011 02:34 GMT
#12093
On September 27 2011 11:32 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 11:11 FabledIntegral wrote:
On September 27 2011 10:35 TexDrum wrote:
What exactly makes it bad? Is it the response time? And I'm approaching my budget since I still need an OS (because I'm not sure if my friend can come through with me on a discounted one), and I'm not very picky about having a super excellent monitor, as it is I've been able to play solidly on a basic laptop


I'm not sure Shikyo's reasoning for disliking the second one, but it seems fine. Acer tends to be slightly more on the cheap side, but really I don't see any issues with it. I'm not too tech savvy with monitors but no, the issue definitely isn't the response times at 5ms. I wouldn't go with the first one though.

Monitors are very subjective compared to the hardware that goes in the case.

Lack of led backlighting. For the first one, lack of 1080p. 3.8 score average isn't a good indication when added to that.


Lack of LED backlight hardly makes something a bad monitor. It's more of a luxury than anything and shouldn't even be expected in a $100 monitor. I just bought a monitor without LED backlight to save money, as I personally don't find a big difference in picture whatsoever and it comes at like a $30-50 premium...
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 02:35:27
September 27 2011 02:35 GMT
#12094
On September 27 2011 11:32 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 11:11 FabledIntegral wrote:
On September 27 2011 10:35 TexDrum wrote:
What exactly makes it bad? Is it the response time? And I'm approaching my budget since I still need an OS (because I'm not sure if my friend can come through with me on a discounted one), and I'm not very picky about having a super excellent monitor, as it is I've been able to play solidly on a basic laptop


I'm not sure Shikyo's reasoning for disliking the second one, but it seems fine. Acer tends to be slightly more on the cheap side, but really I don't see any issues with it. I'm not too tech savvy with monitors but no, the issue definitely isn't the response times at 5ms. I wouldn't go with the first one though.

Monitors are very subjective compared to the hardware that goes in the case.

Lack of led backlighting. For the first one, lack of 1080p. 3.8 score average isn't a good indication when added to that.


Yeah, because E-tailer customer reviews are just so awesome. And reliable. Or not.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 02:42:42
September 27 2011 02:36 GMT
#12095
On September 27 2011 11:35 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 11:32 Shikyo wrote:
On September 27 2011 11:11 FabledIntegral wrote:
On September 27 2011 10:35 TexDrum wrote:
What exactly makes it bad? Is it the response time? And I'm approaching my budget since I still need an OS (because I'm not sure if my friend can come through with me on a discounted one), and I'm not very picky about having a super excellent monitor, as it is I've been able to play solidly on a basic laptop


I'm not sure Shikyo's reasoning for disliking the second one, but it seems fine. Acer tends to be slightly more on the cheap side, but really I don't see any issues with it. I'm not too tech savvy with monitors but no, the issue definitely isn't the response times at 5ms. I wouldn't go with the first one though.

Monitors are very subjective compared to the hardware that goes in the case.

Lack of led backlighting. For the first one, lack of 1080p. 3.8 score average isn't a good indication when added to that.


Yeah, because E-tailer customer reviews are just so awesome.

It's not a primary or even secondary consideration, it's just used to fortify an opinion. It's the last thing you check, but you should check it anyway. If for instance you're looking for a logisys PSU and the reviews average 2 stars and you read them and find out half of them blow up, well that's a pretty strong indicator to not buy them after all.

On September 27 2011 11:34 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 11:32 Shikyo wrote:
On September 27 2011 11:11 FabledIntegral wrote:
On September 27 2011 10:35 TexDrum wrote:
What exactly makes it bad? Is it the response time? And I'm approaching my budget since I still need an OS (because I'm not sure if my friend can come through with me on a discounted one), and I'm not very picky about having a super excellent monitor, as it is I've been able to play solidly on a basic laptop


I'm not sure Shikyo's reasoning for disliking the second one, but it seems fine. Acer tends to be slightly more on the cheap side, but really I don't see any issues with it. I'm not too tech savvy with monitors but no, the issue definitely isn't the response times at 5ms. I wouldn't go with the first one though.

Monitors are very subjective compared to the hardware that goes in the case.

Lack of led backlighting. For the first one, lack of 1080p. 3.8 score average isn't a good indication when added to that.


Lack of LED backlight hardly makes something a bad monitor. It's more of a luxury than anything and shouldn't even be expected in a $100 monitor. I just bought a monitor without LED backlight to save money, as I personally don't find a big difference in picture whatsoever and it comes at like a $30-50 premium...
My dad has one with LED and mine doesn't have it... my dad's is much easier on the eyes and my screen is pretty dim. Dunno, it depends on what you consider important I guess, but still a 1080p monitor is something you can use for several years so in my opinion it is worth investing the extra dollars.

Oh also, they use slightly less power in general so it all will add up over the years. I'm firmly of the opinion that monitors, just like PSUs, are something you shouldn't really skimp on.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 27 2011 02:39 GMT
#12096
No, you read customer reviews to find out how they die when they die. That's it. Expecting them to give you reliable information for anything else is just foolish as all hell.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 27 2011 02:44 GMT
#12097
On September 27 2011 11:39 JingleHell wrote:
No, you read customer reviews to find out how they die when they die. That's it. Expecting them to give you reliable information for anything else is just foolish as all hell.

Oh they have some useful things like how easy they are to clean, how comfortable it is to press some buttons, how it reflects light etc. You just need to read them properly. Though I agree that 1 star reviews that say "didn't work" aren't too useful.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 27 2011 02:51 GMT
#12098
On September 27 2011 11:44 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 11:39 JingleHell wrote:
No, you read customer reviews to find out how they die when they die. That's it. Expecting them to give you reliable information for anything else is just foolish as all hell.

Oh they have some useful things like how easy they are to clean, how comfortable it is to press some buttons, how it reflects light etc. You just need to read them properly. Though I agree that 1 star reviews that say "didn't work" aren't too useful.


Random people's opinions on subjective stuff... good luck with that, I think I'll stick with not using customer reviews.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
September 27 2011 03:08 GMT
#12099
On September 27 2011 11:36 Shikyo wrote:
My dad has one with LED and mine doesn't have it... my dad's is much easier on the eyes and my screen is pretty dim. Dunno, it depends on what you consider important I guess, but still a 1080p monitor is something you can use for several years so in my opinion it is worth investing the extra dollars.

Oh also, they use slightly less power in general so it all will add up over the years. I'm firmly of the opinion that monitors, just like PSUs, are something you shouldn't really skimp on.


This is serious? Way too many confounding variables obviously. You're not comparing otherwise identical monitors. The only real points are the lower power consumption (a dozen or so watts when in use, at reasonable brightness levels?) and somewhat thinner profile that you can get from LED backlighting.

I agree with spending more on a monitor with a picture quality and features you like, but LED backlighting is not really a big difference maker.
PlayhemTV
Profile Joined September 2011
United States17 Posts
September 27 2011 04:30 GMT
#12100
Hey I'm somewhat computer illiterate and I tried reading through the thread for information. I found a lot of information, thanks!

My question is that I'm upgrading to an i5 2500k + ASUS Z68 Mobo + Radeon 6990. I plan on using my old graphics card (Nvidia 9800 GTX) with the Radeon 6990 as dual GPU. How much PSU am I looking at?
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