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On June 07 2013 05:37 zSoloo wrote:I got all my parts in, tried to put it together - Wont even turn on for more than 2 seconds So i took everything apart, And just hooked up the Mobo + Processor + Mem (+ / - Vid Card ) And still the fan only cuts on for 1-2 seconds then shuts off Tried re-mounting the CPU + all Ram sticks, still same problem - Any help?
This is just generic build advice, but have you tried booting with only 1 stick of RAM? Common points of failure are bad RAM sticks or slots, so try varying both. This is actually exactly what happened to me when I did my build 9 months ago. Is there an error code on the motherboard to say which part of the POST it's failing on?
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I posted back here cause mabie it was a part i brought that was wrong
But to answer the question: An error code on the motherboard? It dosent turn on, the fan moves for a second thats it. and yes ive booted with 1 stick of ram
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2013 08:58 MisterFred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2013 05:46 S3ph wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hello, everyone. My system has finally broken down, so Im looking for a new one. Im a total noob, so dont go too harsh on me.  What is your budget?Actually, Ive got a birthday gift of 2000 Euros for PC issues, but I never plan to use them all. LOL... So my budget is around 1000 Euros. Might be slighly more, because of dual monitor wish. What is your resolution?1920x1080. In plan, because I don't have sutable monitor(s) yet. What are you using it for?Would be nice to play modern games like Crysis 3, Far cry 3, Sc2 Hots, etc - on max with decent fps. Other than that - a simple typewriter and Internet. No streaming or 3d-Max'ing or video rendering. What is your upgrade cycle?I would say 4-5 years. So yeah, I need decent stuff from the start. When do you plan on building it?June-July 2013. Do you plan on overclocking?Though I have read articles and saw videos how to make it, Im just a bloody noob. Plus, I dont have time to run Prime95 for 24 hours without BSOD. So OC'ing other than muliplier - no. Do you need an Operating System?Yes. Windows 7 Extreme (Home edition? Somebody?) Windows 8? NO! Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?Im planning to use only 1 grafik card. A decent one. So SLI - no. Where are you buying your parts from?hoh.de or notebooksbilliger.de or drivecity.de or compuland.de. I'd rather avoid buying stuff from mindfactory or hardwareversand. I got lazy, so I went to alternate.de. You can find the equivalent parts at your preferred retailer. BenQ GW2450HM monitor - a high-quality but otherwise standard 24" 1920x1080 monitor (170 euro) http://www.alternate.de/BenQ/BenQ GW2450HM,_LED-Monitor/html/product/1007923/?or Dell u2713hm monitor - a high-quality 27" 2560x1440 monitor (550 euro) http://www.alternate.de/Dell/Dell UltraSharp_U2713HM,_LED-Monitor/html/product/1028408/?------------------------------------------ i5-4670 (210 euro) http://www.alternate.de/Intel(R)/Intel(R) Core(TM)_i5-4670,_CPU/html/product/1063387/?tk=7&lk=8920Gigabyte H87 (85 euro) http://www.alternate.de/GIGABYTE/GIGABYTE GA-H87M-HD3,_Mainboard/html/product/1081332/?Gigabyte 7950 or Sapphire 7970, depending on how much you want to spend (280 or 360) http://www.alternate.de/SAPPHIRE/SAPPHIRE Radeon_HD_7950_with_Boost,_Grafikkarte/html/product/1060525/?http://www.alternate.de/SAPPHIRE/SAPPHIRE Radeon_HD_7970,_Grafikkarte/html/product/1031667/?2x4gb Crucial RAM (53) http://www.alternate.de/Crucial/Crucial DIMM_8_GB_DDR3-1600_Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1008044/?Case: you can reuse your old one, but if you want a nice new one, the fractal design r4 is a good choice (90) http://www.alternate.de/Fractal_Design/Fractal_Design Define_R4_Titanium,_Gehaeuse/html/product/1010810/?PSU: XFX Core 450w (45) http://www.alternate.de/XFX/XFX 450W_Core_Edition_V2_Full_Wired_(Bronze),_Netzteil/html/product/924186/?SSD: Samsung 840 128 or 250gb, depending on how much you want to spend on fast storage (83 or 145) http://www.alternate.de/Samsung/Samsung 840_series_2,5_120_GB,_SSD/html/product/1038279/?http://www.alternate.de/Samsung/Samsung 840_series_2,5_250_GB,_SSD/html/product/1038276/?HDD: Samsung 1TB (57) http://www.alternate.de/Seagate/Seagate ST1000DM003_1_TB,_Festplatte/html/product/963366/?DVD-burner: another part it seems like it would be easy to reuse a used one (18) http://www.alternate.de/Samsung/Samsung SH-224BB-BEBE,_DVD-Brenner/html/product/1033259/?Windows 7 (84 euro). Note that I'm not sure that this is the Deutsch version. Make sure you get the language version you want. But for whatever language, you want Home Premium 64-bit OEM edition. http://www.alternate.de/Microsoft/Microsoft Windows_7_Home_Premium/html/product/825250/?Total: 1175 euro to 1700 euro
You call it lazy? So now a recap.
CPU: i5-4670
GFX: Gigabyte 7950
MoBo: Gigabyte H87
PSU: XFX Core 450W
RAM: 2x4 GB Crucial
Case: Fractal Design Define R4
SSD: Samsung 840 pro 128 GB
HDD: Seagate 1TB
Soft: Windows 7 Home Edition OEM
+ 2 x 1920x1080 monitors
bolded = will buy for sure
Need one more thing: what if I would like to overclock CPU, GFX, and RAM?
Iso help with the parts best suited for it.
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On June 07 2013 06:04 zSoloo wrote:
I posted back here cause mabie it was a part i brought that was wrong
But to answer the question: An error code on the motherboard? It dosent turn on, the fan moves for a second thats it. and yes ive booted with 1 stick of ram
Make sure to connect the speaker of your case to the motherboard. The motherboard can produce error codes as a combination of beeps. You can then try to see if there's a section about the beep codes in your motherboard's manual, or you can Google for a list about the codes your motherboard's manufacturer usually uses.
Also, "case speaker" can be just a tiny crappy part like this, so look through the case's accessories: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812201032
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On June 07 2013 01:20 Cyro wrote:
And lots of attention, wow, is nobody else building haswell? ;p
Nope
Too cheap to upgrade an IB to a Haswell
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On June 07 2013 04:55 Antoine wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 08:26 skyR wrote:On June 06 2013 07:36 Antoine wrote:On June 06 2013 07:10 skyR wrote:On June 06 2013 07:05 Antoine wrote:On June 06 2013 06:34 skyR wrote:On June 06 2013 04:13 Antoine wrote:
if I saved $60-70 between going down to a Seasonic M12II-650 BRONZE ATX 650 PSU and ASUS Z87-A or ASRock Z87 Extreme4, where could I even put that for better performance? I would if it would be really helpful but I don't know where else I could go for a meaningful upgrade? Maybe the higher-end SSD I mentioned, but I don't mind going $20 over the estimated 200 there. While the Seasonic M12II is a good unit, its in an awkward position since the newer better gold units are in the same price point so you wouldn't want an M12II. I see that the Capstone-M 650 unit is out of stock so I'm guessing you want a modular unit and that's why you selected a M12II. I assume you also want SLI judging by the original choice of 750w so I'd select the Corsair HX650 for $105 ($80 after mail in rebate): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139012Rosewill got their poor reputation in the past when they were using cheap ATNG and Solytech units. They still sell these units (Stallion, Performance, etc), which are still shit btw. Recently, they started using Superflower as their OEM. Capstones, Lightnings, and Tachyons are all superb units from Superflower, on par with Seasonic (the Corsair HX650 is a Seasonic). You hardly use a DVD burner so its nothing to worry about. The least expensive one is probably from Microcenter. The two notable differences between the 840 Pro and 840 is that the 840 Pro has significantly better write speeds and has two extra years of warranty over the 840. So if you are going to be writing to the SSD a lot then get the 840 Pro without a doubt. Otherwise, you should probably get the 840 because the performance difference between the two in loading WoW or Windows bootup is milliseconds. Why the Coolermaster TPC 812? From what I remember, it performs worse than equivalently priced heatsinks like the Thermalright True Spirit or Macho. And Coolermaster's mounting system is god awful. Remember that heatsinks and cases can last through a lifetime of builds so don't settle for shit from Coolermaster when you're spending $50+, $20 more gets you something from Noctua, Phantek, Thermalright, or even Corsair. Noctua provides a six year warranty and mounting kits free of charge for life. Their support is pretty top notch as well if you ever need help with a heatsink? o.O Phantek is relatively new but their heatsinks perform well and looks nice, backed with a five year warranty. Thanks for the advice on the first 3 - will follow that and pick up the 840 pro as well as the PSU you linked. I was choosing between a couple different heatsinks. I have read some reviews for my case and it's not the greatest as far as temps go, plus it's a mid tower so it can't fit huge ones. I thought the TPC 812 would be better performance than the NH-U12s which is similarly priced but likely priced for its tiny size? I was also looking at the ThermalTake Frio but it's a few mm taller than the TPC 812. I couldn't find any hard numbers for the max height of a heatsink in this case and wasn't sure where to go. I'll do some more research into heatsinks though, thanks again. Most mid-towers including the C70 have clearance for large heatsinks such as the Noctua NH-D14 Ah, that's a relief. One name that keeps popping up in these reviews is the Xigmatek Aegir. Seems to be great in terms of cooling and noise, at a similar price level to the Frio, 812, etc. Is there a reason you didn't mention it among those other brands? Xigmatek isn't widely available in Canada and they don't have products that particularly stand out. And as Ropid mentioned, the use of direct touch is not as good as a base. The Hyper 212 got Coolermaster famous but other than that, I don't think they have anything good. Noctua is well known for their free lifetime mounting kits and were one of the first companies to debut these high-end heatsinks. Phantek is relatively new but their dual radiator heatsink has been shown that it performs better than the NH-D14 and is available in various colours. Phantek and Noctua also have similar easy mounting procedures and their provided TIM is excellent as well. The same can be said for Thermalright but their availability in North America isn't great. You might as well treat yourself to the best for $20 more since you're already getting an i7 and planning on doing SLI. The cost is justifiable if you consider their level of support, the included two fans, and quality of TIM compared to Thermaltake, Coolermaster, and the other non niche companies. I'm back after another day's research. Definitely going with the NH-D14 now, edging out Phanteks based on customer support reputation and extra year of warranty. I'm still waffling on the power supply. That one you linked, the HX650, has lots of reports of sounds like bird chirps when the fan changes speeds. This is the kind of thing that will almost certainly annoy me. I'm not sure where else to look for a 650w gold-rated modular PSU though. actually I found http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151118&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10440897&PID=5961731&SID=0 but it's not as cheap as I was hoping to get.
The Corsair HX650 is based on the Seasonic G so chances are that some Seasonic G units will also exhibit chirping. I just noticed that the HX650 only has two PCIe connectors which is unfortunate. I wouldn't suggest that anymoore since you probably don't want to be dealing with molex adapters when you're spending this much.
Unfortunately there aren't many choices. Most platforms aren't as good as Seasonics or Superflowers. And besides Capstones, Superflower based units are few and far between in North America, also expensive.
The Corsair HX750 which is a CWT unit is also on sale right now on Newegg but iirc, coil whine is a common complaint.
The third revision of Seasonic X has the switch to toggle between hybrid and normal fan operations so that will get rid of the chirping sound I guess but reports of coil whine on the X series is also quite common.
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Hi everyone,
So my GF's birthday is coming up, and I was thinking of buying her a new computer, with her mom's financial help. All she has now is a crappy laptop on the verge of death. She mostly uses her tablet because of that, but it's not very handy for most uses.
I'm quite the noob, but I thought that with your help, my dreams might come true (and I might save an euro or two, too).
Budget : 500€ (approx. 660$)
Resolution : not critical, but 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 I guess
Use : some gaming, some encoding, but nothing too fancy
Upgrade cycle : long, very long (3 years maybe)
When will I build it : before the 20th of june (my gf's birthday)
Overclocking : nooope. The user will not even know what it means
OS : Windows 7
Second GPU : no
Where will I buy everything : Paris, France. No shop in particular in mind
The most demanding game she plays is the Sims. Other than that, she mostly just watches movies and series (yes, she's a very feminine girl). I'm aiming for a sturdy build that will last, that is easily upgradable and that will run a game like The Sims as smoothly as possible. Think of comfort before performance - she doesn't know what Crysis is and I've given her SC2 allergy.
Many, many thanks in advance to all.
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On June 07 2013 05:37 zSoloo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I got all my parts in, tried to put it together - Wont even turn on for more than 2 seconds So i took everything apart, And just hooked up the Mobo + Processor + Mem (+ / - Vid Card ) And still the fan only cuts on for 1-2 seconds then shuts off Tried re-mounting the CPU + all Ram sticks, still same problem - Any help?
This typically happens when there's a short (eg. not using standoffs) or an improper installation of the heatsink (eg. not pushing the pins in hard enough or not connecting the fan to the CPU_FAN header. Have you tried building outside the case?
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On June 07 2013 09:07 Kukaracha wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi everyone,
So my GF's birthday is coming up, and I was thinking of buying her a new computer, with her mom's financial help. All she has now is a crappy laptop on the verge of death. She mostly uses her tablet because of that, but it's not very handy for most uses.
I'm quite the noob, but I thought that with your help, my dreams might come true (and I might save an euro or two, too).
Budget : 500€ (approx. 660$)
Resolution : not critical, but 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 I guess
Use : some gaming, some encoding, but nothing too fancy
Upgrade cycle : long, very long (3 years maybe)
When will I build it : before the 20th of june (my gf's birthday)
Overclocking : nooope. The user will not even know what it means
OS : Windows 7
Second GPU : no
Where will I buy everything : Paris, France. No shop in particular in mind
The most demanding game she plays is the Sims. Other than that, she mostly just watches movies and series (yes, she's a very feminine girl). I'm aiming for a sturdy build that will last, that is easily upgradable and that will run a game like The Sims as smoothly as possible. Think of comfort before performance - she doesn't know what Crysis is and I've given her SC2 allergy.
Many, many thanks in advance to all.
Unfortunately I don't know pricing in Europe but you are probably looking for something like:
- Core i3 3220
- B75 or H77 motherboard
- 2x4gb DDR3 1600MHz
- Samsung 840 120gb or 250gb
- Fractal Design Define Mini, Arc Midi, or Define R4.
- Superflower Golden Green 400w or Seasonic G
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I built a computer in fall '09 and I've upgraded parts piecemeal over the years, but I think that I'm finally ready to upgrade the CPU. Right now I have a Phenom II X4 955, and here's the rest of my build:
8GB DDR3 RAM
Nvidia GTX 650 Ti
128 GB SSD
1680x1050 monitor
I do some gaming, but nothing beyond SC2 on low settings and Skyrim. I don't plan to overclock (I prefer cool temps and quietness over performance), and I don't have other heavy-duty uses. I'm in the US and my budget is up to $200 for the CPU, and I'd like to have a quad core (since I have one already, and I don't want to downgrade), but it's not really a deal breaker, just want the best bang for buck.
Any suggestions?
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You don't really sacrifice temps or noise with a moderate overclock and medium heatsink. I'm 1100 over stock and only run at ~60-65C, which I'd consider very cool. My case is only slightly audible in a silent room from a few feet away.
(Don't rule out OC over just those concerns)
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Why do you want to upgrade? Are you having issues playing the games or something?
Upgrading from a Phenom II X4 to another Phenom II X4 or FX (if your motherboard is capable of doing so) would be a waste of money since overclocking your current Phenom II would accomplish the same or more performance of your upgrade.
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On June 07 2013 14:55 skyR wrote:
Why do you want to upgrade? Are you having issues playing the games or something?
Upgrading from a Phenom II X4 to another Phenom II X4 or FX (if your motherboard is capable of doing so) would be a waste of money since overclocking your current Phenom II would accomplish the same or more performance of your upgrade. I'm not really having any big issues playing games or anything, but I wouldn't mind getting a bit more performance out of games, and I figure that it's been a while since I built the machine originally.
I figured that my best option wouldn't be another Phenom or FX, but the best price/performance would probably be with one of the newer Intel CPUs. I wasn't completely sure though, so I figure that I'd check with you folks
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Hey okay so you guys told me to wait for the next line of Intel processors, and from what I can tell it looks like they are out! Please give me thoughts on my plan here:
Current PC
i5-2400
nVidia GTX 560ti
H67MA-E35 Motherboard
8 GB RAM
90 GB SSD
500 GB HDD
760 W PSU
Extra Parts
Radeon HD 4850 512 MB
And my plan is to turn it all into this:
New PC
i7-4770K ($350) Link NEW
nVidia GTX 560ti
MSI ATX DDR3 2600 LGA 1150 Z87-G43 Motherboard ($120) Link NEW
8 GB RAM
90 GB SSD
500 GB HDD
Cooler Master 460 W Power Supply ($35) Link NEW
Aftermarket Cooler (?)
PC for my parents
i5-2400
H67MA-E35
Radeon HD 4850
4 GB RAM ($31) Link NEW
500 GB HDD Western Digital ($57) Link NEW
Cooler Master 460 W Power Supply ($35) Link NEW
Total Cost: $628
Questions:
Some people have said that the upgrade from i5-2400 to i5-4670k would not be that big of an improvement, I decided to go with i7-4770k after hearing it's better for streaming (I'd like to be able to stream on better settings). Currently I think the i5-2400 is my bottleneck, and late game in SC2 I get sub 30 fps, and probably even lower in battles. I would like to be able to play like on the MLG computers that were at a constant 200 fps throughout. How much gain will there be without overclocking, and with some moderate overclocking?
Will the power supply unit be enough power, and will it be quiet if it's at a high load? I am very much concerned with fan noise because right now I think my PSU is what is causing my computer to be so loud and I really really want a quiet computer! Also a PSU comes with all the cords you need to connect things right?
Any suggestions for better options (mobo, psu, etc.) that you think would be nicer or if there are any good deals going on right now? Should I get an aftermarket cooler with moderate overclocking?
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Suppy you should NOT use a 460W power supply for the new PC build, you're going to cause it to literally explode.
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On June 07 2013 15:34 ROOTNathanias wrote:
Suppy you should NOT use a 460W power supply for the new PC build, you're going to cause it to literally explode.
I'm hoping he just mistyped the 760W @_@;;;
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A decent 460W is fine for that setup, it's not like he's running SLI. Something in the 500W range would probably give a safer margin when overclocking.
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On June 07 2013 15:43 R1CH wrote:
A decent 460W is fine for that setup, it's not like he's running SLI. Something in the 500W range would probably give a safer margin when overclocking.
Made an account to basically say this, he's absolutely fine if he doesn't SLI. I'd get an aftermarket cooler and a slightly bigger PSU (500 watt-ish) so you can OC, as this kind fellow above me said.
If you're not going to overclock, don't get the K version of the CPU.
Edit: As for fps, if you want high frames get a stronger GPU instead of CPU, the CPU will really only help with streaming, otherwise an i5 with a 6xx series card would be a better combo for frame rate increase. I use a 670 and hit about 80 fps late game.
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On June 07 2013 15:28 Superiorwolf wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hey okay so you guys told me to wait for the next line of Intel processors, and from what I can tell it looks like they are out! Please give me thoughts on my plan here: Current PCi5-2400 nVidia GTX 560ti H67MA-E35 Motherboard 8 GB RAM 90 GB SSD 500 GB HDD 760 W PSU Extra PartsRadeon HD 4850 512 MB And my plan is to turn it all into this: New PCi7-4770K ($350) Link NEWnVidia GTX 560ti MSI ATX DDR3 2600 LGA 1150 Z87-G43 Motherboard ($120) Link NEW8 GB RAM 90 GB SSD 500 GB HDD Cooler Master 460 W Power Supply ($35) Link NEWAftermarket Cooler (?) PC for my parentsi5-2400 H67MA-E35 Radeon HD 4850 4 GB RAM ($31) Link NEW500 GB HDD Western Digital ($57) Link NEWCooler Master 460 W Power Supply ($35) Link NEWTotal Cost: $628 Questions: Some people have said that the upgrade from i5-2400 to i5-4670k would not be that big of an improvement, I decided to go with i7-4770k after hearing it's better for streaming (I'd like to be able to stream on better settings). Currently I think the i5-2400 is my bottleneck, and late game in SC2 I get sub 30 fps, and probably even lower in battles. I would like to be able to play like on the MLG computers that were at a constant 200 fps throughout. How much gain will there be without overclocking, and with some moderate overclocking? Will the power supply unit be enough power, and will it be quiet if it's at a high load? I am very much concerned with fan noise because right now I think my PSU is what is causing my computer to be so loud and I really really want a quiet computer! Also a PSU comes with all the cords you need to connect things right? Any suggestions for better options (mobo, psu, etc.) that you think would be nicer or if there are any good deals going on right now? Should I get an aftermarket cooler with moderate overclocking?
A quality 450w is plenty for the average modern system however the Coolermaster Elite Power 460w is not a quality unit so please don't buy it if you even have the slightest care for your computer and money.
H67 boards do not support 1600MHz memory. Though it will work, it is money wasted when you can get a less expensive 1333Mhz kit.
For your parents computer, you can purchase a Corsair CX430 for it. For your build, look at getting a Rosewill Capstone 450 for it. Hard to recommend the other stuff if we're unsure of your budget and why you are restricted to Amazon only.
If you're concerned about noise, the power supply is probably the least of your concerns. A modern quality unit will not be audible over the GPU or case fans. Chances are your case is full of holes (not intended for silent computing), you're using the stock Intel heatsink which is very loud when it spins up, and you're not controling fan speed on your GPU.
I can't tell you how big of a gain there is going to be but I can tell you that the MLG computers do not run the game at 200 FPS throughout lol.
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