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Superiorwolf
United States5509 Posts
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Sacrieur
United States32 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Sacrieur
United States32 Posts
On June 07 2013 19:18 Ropid wrote: On one of the last few pages, I linked a bar graph with the results of a benchmark of SC2 HotS in a situation with enough units on the screen for some very low FPS. Haswell seems to be a lot better than Ivy Bridge for SC2. If that's correct, I'd definitely not go for something old if also buying a new motherboard. Haswell does have beefed up graphics abilities. What video card was used? | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On June 07 2013 19:41 Sacrieur wrote: Haswell does have beefed up graphics abilities. What video card was used? It's with GTX Titan and at low resolution. I looked up the post: On June 06 2013 21:38 Ropid wrote: Here are benchmarks: http://i.imgur.com/vp4Lspb.png I tried finding the scene they use to get those low FPS, but couldn't. For WoL, they probably used this sequence: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20275 Posts
Questions: Some people have said that the upgrade from i5-2400 to i5-4670k would not be that big of an improvement, I decided to go with i7-4770k after hearing it's better for streaming (I'd like to be able to stream on better settings). Currently I think the i5-2400 is my bottleneck, and late game in SC2 I get sub 30 fps, and probably even lower in battles. AFAIK HT won't even affect framerates. It's low due to other reasons (low fps in the first place, and screen capture overhead when streaming that hurts performance massively while not reading as high CPU usage) I've heard it does a few times, i think mostly, it might benefit FPS if you're pushing settings hard, which is when you'd want HT anyway. I'd go with 4770k if 1920x1080, 45fps isn't good enough for you (and you want 60) but not really in other cases, but it might help a bit (cant say for sure) in others. It's never a bad thing to have if you want to lay down the money for it - honestly i'd even use the practice of tuning overclock temps around HT off + stress test, and then use HT on for regular computer activity, as x264 maxing my cpu is like 20c cooler than prime small fft and gaming+streaming doesn't push temps up (because sc2 is focused on 1 core, and you need lots of buffer room for live encoding, to make sure you dont max cpu, so average cpu load is at like, 60% or something) No overclock going i5-2400 to haswell 4670k i wouldn't be surprised to see small gains (less than 20% on min fps) but if you add OC on then >50% shouldnt be an issue. You can also do some tuning stuff like changing maximum pre-rendered frames in driver (nvidia at least) which means like 1 frame, low input lag, 3-6 frames, increased input latency but more smooth picture (or so i hear, never considered using it) but you should hopefully identify what makes the feeling you are trying to replicate Mind the flood ;p And Ropid's bench surprised me with the average FPS. I remembered minimums were what i expected before (and there's margin for error, when "1fps" is almost a 10% gain..) but that's a pretty big leap in average FPS which would be really sweet | ||
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Sacrieur
United States32 Posts
On June 07 2013 19:59 Ropid wrote: It's with GTX Titan and at low resolution. I looked up the post: This whole thing just leaves a bad taste in my mouth about how awfully SC2 is coded if it's running that low on a Titan with a 4770K. There just aren't dual core processors fast enough to compensate for it. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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holistic
United States21 Posts
Old PC 2x EVGA GTX 260 core 216 SLI EVGA 790i FTW mobo 2x 2gb VIPER 1600 ram Q9550 no OC ZALMAN CNPS9500A-LED 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler Corsair TX750M random hard drive I can't remember NZXT Tempest Acer P224w 1080p New PC EVGA 660ti 2048 unboxed @ microcenter $240 4670k @ microcenter $200 ASUS z87-A mobo @ microcenter $110 2x 4gb Corsair vengeance lp 1600 ram $70 Noctua NT-H1 thermal compound $10 Swiftech H220 $150 Fractal Design R4 White (no window) $90 Same power supply (Corsair TX750M) Same random hard drive EIZO fs2333 monitor $400 $10 shipping $30 tax $1310 total Considerations I've made so far: keep all components and replace the cpu/mobo only with haswell get a 128gb Samsung 840 pro SSD 120hz panel from BenQ instead of EIZO fs2333 wait for Maximus VI hero, pay extra 120+ wait for 760 ti to come out before I replace the sli260s (sc2 is all I play so this is overkill) wait until haswell has been figured out for safe OC to buy wait until Legacy comes out and then look for cpu components | ||
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On June 07 2013 22:13 holistic wrote: + Show Spoiler + I have put together a list of cpu components, what do you think, TL? Old PC 2x EVGA GTX 260 core 216 SLI EVGA 790i FTW mobo 2x 2gb VIPER 1600 ram Q9550 no OC ZALMAN CNPS9500A-LED 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler Corsair TX750M random hard drive I can't remember NZXT Tempest Acer P224w 1080p New PC EVGA 660ti 2048 unboxed @ microcenter $240 4670k @ microcenter $200 ASUS z87-A mobo @ microcenter $110 2x 4gb Corsair vengeance lp 1600 ram $70 Noctua NT-H1 thermal compound $10 Swiftech H220 $150 Fractal Design R4 White (no window) $90 Same power supply (Corsair TX750M) Same random hard drive EIZO fs2333 monitor $400 $10 shipping $30 tax $1310 total Considerations I've made so far: keep all components and replace the cpu/mobo only with haswell get a 128gb Samsung 840 pro SSD 120hz panel from BenQ instead of EIZO fs2333 wait for Maximus VI hero, pay extra 120+ wait for 760 ti to come out before I replace the sli260s (sc2 is all I play so this is overkill) wait until haswell has been figured out for safe OC to buy wait until Legacy comes out and then look for cpu components Just grabbing a new CPU/mobo and an SSD seems like the most efficient upgrade if you are just playing sc2. Might also be worth going up to 8g of ram, but not necessary if you aren't maxing that out atm. If you want to save money then maybe even try do a little overclocking on the Q9550, though I found it really hard overclocking on the old quad I had. Thinking about it more, I imagine 2xGTX260 are pretty loud. So if thats the case it might be worth selling the old computer entirely, keeping the HDD and building a new comp. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20275 Posts
Il look over previous posts later etc; i had to do some stuff, and just as i finish, 4770k, z87x-ud3h, samsung green 2x4gb, silver arrow SE have arrived I'm such a build newbie hahaha And above post i just glanced at; Don't upgrade from 2x260 just for sc2. I have a single 216 core gtx260 and when i tested for GPU load on max settings vs min, with and without physics/effects/reflections etc, i saw the same min FPS on both min and max settings (emphasized with physics etc set the same) and in 2v2 replay with about 500-600 supply on the map, i didnt even hit higher than ~40% gpu load on max settings, with FPS pulled down so far due to cpu. I'm looking at 760ti too, but this 4770k build, even high end overclocking etc; i'm using a 260, and even if i wanted to run on max settings, i'd still probably be using a 260 for a while; it wont impair your framerates when they are at their worst AFAIK. | ||
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holistic
United States21 Posts
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holistic
United States21 Posts
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
My PC specs: i5 2500k oc'd to 4.3ghz Asrock Extreme3 Gen3 2 6870's Crucial m4 64gb, 500gb hard drive, 2tb hard drive 2x4GB Gskill 1600mhz RAM I also have an aftermarket fan to cool my cpu but its name escapes me, I think it was around $30 though | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20275 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20275 Posts
Going good but slow (: ate etc, dedicated a lot of time to cleaning dust and such because i never thouroughly cleaned this case before. I plan on it at least like every 6 months (cooler remount etc) and maybe a few new case fans now, could use another front intake i think my case supports 3 because of the way it is set up; i have only 1 hdd and dont need an optical drive | ||
MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
On June 07 2013 06:17 S3ph wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2013 08:58 MisterFred wrote: I got lazy, so I went to alternate.de. You can find the equivalent parts at your preferred retailer. BenQ GW2450HM monitor - a high-quality but otherwise standard 24" 1920x1080 monitor (170 euro) http://www.alternate.de/BenQ/BenQ GW2450HM,_LED-Monitor/html/product/1007923/? or Dell u2713hm monitor - a high-quality 27" 2560x1440 monitor (550 euro) http://www.alternate.de/Dell/Dell UltraSharp_U2713HM,_LED-Monitor/html/product/1028408/? ------------------------------------------ i5-4670 (210 euro) http://www.alternate.de/Intel(R)/Intel(R) Core(TM)_i5-4670,_CPU/html/product/1063387/?tk=7&lk=8920 Gigabyte H87 (85 euro) http://www.alternate.de/GIGABYTE/GIGABYTE GA-H87M-HD3,_Mainboard/html/product/1081332/? Gigabyte 7950 or Sapphire 7970, depending on how much you want to spend (280 or 360) http://www.alternate.de/SAPPHIRE/SAPPHIRE Radeon_HD_7950_with_Boost,_Grafikkarte/html/product/1060525/? http://www.alternate.de/SAPPHIRE/SAPPHIRE Radeon_HD_7970,_Grafikkarte/html/product/1031667/? 2x4gb Crucial RAM (53) http://www.alternate.de/Crucial/Crucial DIMM_8_GB_DDR3-1600_Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1008044/? Case: you can reuse your old one, but if you want a nice new one, the fractal design r4 is a good choice (90) http://www.alternate.de/Fractal_Design/Fractal_Design Define_R4_Titanium,_Gehaeuse/html/product/1010810/? PSU: XFX Core 450w (45) http://www.alternate.de/XFX/XFX 450W_Core_Edition_V2_Full_Wired_(Bronze),_Netzteil/html/product/924186/? SSD: Samsung 840 128 or 250gb, depending on how much you want to spend on fast storage (83 or 145) http://www.alternate.de/Samsung/Samsung 840_series_2,5_120_GB,_SSD/html/product/1038279/? http://www.alternate.de/Samsung/Samsung 840_series_2,5_250_GB,_SSD/html/product/1038276/? HDD: Samsung 1TB (57) http://www.alternate.de/Seagate/Seagate ST1000DM003_1_TB,_Festplatte/html/product/963366/? DVD-burner: another part it seems like it would be easy to reuse a used one (18) http://www.alternate.de/Samsung/Samsung SH-224BB-BEBE,_DVD-Brenner/html/product/1033259/? Windows 7 (84 euro). Note that I'm not sure that this is the Deutsch version. Make sure you get the language version you want. But for whatever language, you want Home Premium 64-bit OEM edition. http://www.alternate.de/Microsoft/Microsoft Windows_7_Home_Premium/html/product/825250/? Total: 1175 euro to 1700 euro You call it lazy?  So now a recap.CPU: i5-4670 GFX: Gigabyte 7950 MoBo: Gigabyte H87 PSU: XFX Core 450W RAM: 2x4 GB Crucial Case: Fractal Design Define R4 SSD: Samsung 840 pro 128 GB HDD: Seagate 1TB Soft: Windows 7 Home Edition OEM + 2 x 1920x1080 monitors bolded = will buy for sure Need one more thing: what if I would like to overclock CPU, GFX, and RAM? Iso help with the parts best suited for it. To overclock GPU: you already have everything you need with the list above. Same with RAM, though I won't guarantee that particular RAM suggestion will overclock well. I don't pay attention to that since overclocking RAM is pretty pointless from a real-world performance perspective. For overclocking CPU: replace the i5-4670 with an i5-4670k. Replace mobo with a z87 motherboard & add an aftermarket cooler, like so: 115euro Gigabyte Z87-HD3 mobo: http://www.alternate.de/GIGABYTE/GIGABYTE GA-Z87-HD3,_Mainboard/html/product/1081326/? HR-02 Macho tower cooler @ 40 euro: http://www.alternate.de/Thermalright/Thermalright HR-02_Macho_Rev.A,_CPU-Kuehler/html/product/1024658/?event=search | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On June 08 2013 00:48 Ettick wrote: Hey guys, my psu just died (corsair tx650 from a few years ago). What would be a good new PSU to buy? My PC specs: i5 2500k oc'd to 4.3ghz Asrock Extreme3 Gen3 2 6870's Crucial m4 64gb, 500gb hard drive, 2tb hard drive 2x4GB Gskill 1600mhz RAM I also have an aftermarket fan to cool my cpu but its name escapes me, I think it was around $30 though If it's a TX, it has 5 year warranty, so you should be covered. Even if you want something new, get an RMA so you can have a backup. If you don't want to spend much and want a rebate, I'd say XFX Pro Core 650W for $70 AR: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59616&promoid=1288 Otherwise, just go with a Rosewill Capstone for $90, that's a bit better overall: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182071 I didn't really see any good deals. | ||
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